The causes of homosexuality

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

that is crap. my dad is a great guy.

many years of scientific study has finally proven the true causes of homosexuality:

vagina

That explains lesbians but what about other homosexuals?



article sounds like crap. researcher sounds biased and like he doesn't know very many homosexual men.

real causes for homosexuality seem to be a mix of nature and nurture, but I see no correlation between paternal relationship and sexual orientation, other than the one that only occurs after someone decides to come out as gay and their relationship with their parents sometimes becomes strained after the fact. Though it's hard to imagine that their relationship could have ever been that good in the first place if this happened.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

This confuses me, I dont really want to bring religion into this buuuut...

If God knows everything before it happens and knows what people will do... Why did got let human beings be gay if in the bible he shuns homosexuality? He knew people were going to have that lifestyle, If God didnt want homosexuals then he should've killed them off before they were born.(not to be offensive to people, sorry if it is)

but think about it... the bible is kind of redundant there...

you're saying that The Bible doesn't make sense? Quite the revelation you've stumbled upon there, sir.

 

[jason_els]

This confuses me, I dont really want to bring religion into this buuuut...

If God knows everything before it happens and knows what people will do... Why did got let human beings be gay if in the bible he shuns homosexuality? He knew people were going to have that lifestyle, If God didnt want homosexuals then he should've killed them off before they were born.(not to be offensive to people, sorry if it is)

but think about it... the bible is kind of redundant there...

you're saying that The Bible doesn't make sense? Quite the revelation you've stumbled upon there, sir.

Actually this is precisely why it's so important to some Christians that homosexuality be a choice. We can choose to disregard God only if we are doing so of our own free will. Otherwise we are just a creation of His and all of God's creations are good and please Him (as it says in Genesis). Only humans can choose to be without grace. If there is no choice then the creation cannot, as plants and animals cannot, be condemned.

 

[Drifterwood]

You evidently know that one man's penis is another man's baculum.
How worldly you are, Drifterwood.:veryhappy:

A simple distinction between the heterotropic and homotropic

 

[jason_els]

A simple distinction between the heterotropic and homotropic

Yet both are still, in the end, anisotropic.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I think its bollocks how would you explain all the rcorded cases of homosexuality in animals then?

In some nature shows it's been said that many species of animals, like the monkey for instance, actually practice the act of sex on same sex partners just so they can be prepared for actual mating & procreation with the opposite. If that's the case, then there's a bunch of homophobes out there that need to swallow their pride and start going into training.

 

[ActionBuddy]

One of the main causes of MY homosexuality is that I am, from earliest memories, homosexual.

And I love and embrace it!

What is the point of this thread?

Onan

 

[HornyWisconsin]

Lol, I'm pulling out of this topic now haha...

 

[Meniscus]

...Could not the relationship between gay children and detached fathers be a similar case? What if fathers somehow sense early on that their sons may be gay and detach themselves from them? What if all the hypotheses about how gay children are raised are really backwards in their cause and effect in their reasoning? Something to think about.

Oooo...good point. I think you're onto something here.

I remember going on a cave tour once, and there was one little boy in the group who was...well, let's just say theater club was probably in his future. He was clearly having a good time and was very interested in everything around him, but his responses to everything were rather dramatic, and he'd gush, "Isn't it romantic?" (I'm not sure what the thought the word meant. Personally, I didn't see much that was romantic about stalagmites, but whatever turns you on.) He was so over the top people were giving him funny looks, to which he seemed oblivious, but his father wasn't. The poor guy was clearly embarrassed and seemed to be at a loss for how to relate to his son.

Alas, some men will try to "toughen up" their sons and force them into things, like team sports, in efforts to make them more masculine. I doubt this has much success, and instead creates adults who spend years consciously or unconsciously doing things in an attempt please dad and win his respect, but fail to figure out what's in their heart and where their real talents lie. In college I had one roommate who majored in business for this very reason, when what he really wanted to do was theatre. (He actually ended up going into theater anyway and becoming a successful director. It's a bit annoying, really, since I knew him when he was a nerdy, clingy, closeted freshman who was a bit helpless without him mom taking care of him.) Another friend majored in biology instead of English for similar reasons.

 

[Howard10011]

Those who dismiss this theory as crap overlook the fact that a disproportionate number of gay men did, in fact, have absentee or distant fathers. Too many for it to merely be coincidence. That's why this theory has had such strong proponents for so many years.

At the same time, there are guys who had excellent relations with their fathers who can't ever imagine desiring a woman sexually. They passionately believe that they were born this way, and there's plenty of statistical evidence to support that, too.

Obviously, some combination of nature AND nurture are at play in determining sexuality.

 

[AquaEyes11010]

Those who dismiss this theory as crap overlook the fact that a disproportionate number of gay men did, in fact, have absentee or distant fathers. Too many for it to merely be coincidence. That's why this theory has had such strong proponents for so many years.

At the same time, there are guys who had excellent relations with their fathers who can't ever imagine desiring a woman sexually. They passionately believe that they were born this way, and there's plenty of statistical evidence to support that, too.

Obviously, some combination of nature AND nurture are at play in determining sexuality.

Perhaps this is because lots of children IN GENERAL have absentee or distant fathers. Why aren't they ALL gay?

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Perhaps this is because lots of children IN GENERAL have absentee or distant fathers. Why aren't they ALL gay?

But Howard is saying it's a disproportionate number in the case of gay men.
Is he right?
I don't know.

 

[ManchesterTom]

This confuses me, I dont really want to bring religion into this buuuut...

If God knows everything before it happens and knows what people will do... Why did got let human beings be gay if in the bible he shuns homosexuality? He knew people were going to have that lifestyle, If God didnt want homosexuals then he should've killed them off before they were born.(not to be offensive to people, sorry if it is)

but think about it... the bible is kind of redundant there...

There is a theory as well that David (before he became King) had a special friendship with Saul, and that his love of Saul was unlike any he had known with a woman. If he did go off and get really close to Saul in a cave somewhere, God didn't seem to mind too much. David was reportedly one of God's chosen people and became King. David was an interesting person, he was apparently into music as well, (maybe even theatre ??), but also had a mean streak, where he killed a guy in order to marry the dead guy's wife.

The point being that if David was bisexual, which depending on how you read the bits about him and Saul, he was still one of God's favourite people.

I guess this could start a brand new discussion..

 

[Industrialsize]

I'll bring it up again, Why do we need to know the cause of homosexuality? I'm gay and don't give a rat's ass as to why!

 

[Male Bonding etc]

When one lives in a totally accepting and notoriously gay community like Provincetown and in a state that has gay marriage like MA, it may seem to be a moot point. However, most of us live in places where the least of our gay inclinations are scrutinized and the label "gay" can still be a hindrance if not a major liability. For us getting in people's faces and saying "get over it!" is not going to net the same result that it might for you.

Of course, it should be a non issue! Reality is, nonetheless, that it remains an issue, and therefore must be addressed intelligently and with information from reputable sources.

My sense is that some people are BORN gay, some are born CURIOUS, others are NATURALLY bi, and some are CONFUSED because of their environments (absent dads, dominant moms, abusive priests, sex in the media). Take the pressure off because the "causes" are known, and more people will find their own natural comfort with their personal sexual orientation.

 

[str82fcuk]

"Since 1962 when our volume was published, I have interviewed about 1,000 male homosexuals and 50 pairs of parents of homosexuals. The classic pattern was present in more than 90% of cases. In my entire experience, I have never interviewed a single male homosexual who had a constructive, loving father. A son who has a loving father who respects him does not become a homosexual. I have concluded that there is a causal relationship between parental influence and sexual choice (p. 368)."

OK so I had been avoiding reading this thread because I was scared it might be hateful ... but now ... I have read the first post by op ... and I havent read anything else anybody posted (dont you hate it when people do that lol :tongue but I'm gonna give my two cents even tho I havent yet read what you all have written :biggrin1:

After a lifetime of study I have concluded that the 'cause' is in roughly equivalent proportions ...

1. Nature
2. Nurture
3. a catalyst

all three of which must be present ...

to elaborate ...
personally I think people have a natural genetic latency in this regard to a greater or lesser degree ...
secondly childhood conditioning will predisposition a person to a greater or lesser degree towards or against an activation of the latency ...
thirdly a currently relevant actual trigger for this activation must be present ...

of course I could and would repeat all of the above with respect to the causes of heterosexuality ...

speaking for myself only ...
I am convinced that I am naturally genetically and spiritually greatly predisposed towards various forms of gaiety ...
personally I have not had a constructive father and this has been a cause of great hardship for me but there have also been several other major factors in my 'nurturing' (or lack thereof) which have, I believe, been major determining factors in the constitution of my sexuality ...
the triggering factor for me, however, is, even more difficult to define (in fact that part, which is I think what people are most interested in when they ask this question, I have not yet been able to figure out, although I might be so bold as to venture that they include also an absence of contra-indicative triggers (whatever those might be))

anyway I am sure there are gay men who have had constructive loving fathers even though I personally haven't met any of them (as far as I know)

but really I wish someone could tell me seriously what causes heterosexuality because I am sincerely honestly quite academically interested in that phenomenon and nobody has ever been able to give me a satisfactory answer ("it's normal" is not an answer to that question, but is, rather, merely a statistical observation)

oh and just for the record, I do like most women, some of my best friends have been women, I can even find women aesthetically pleasing (in the same way that all natural things can be beautiful), but I have just never had anything more than the most passing ephemeral vague notion of an inkling of a desire to become sexually acquainted with any of them

 

[Industrialsize]

When one lives in a totally accepting and notoriously gay community like Provincetown and in a state that has gay marriage like MA, it may seem to be a moot point. However, most of us live in places where the least of our gay inclinations are scrutinized and the label "gay" can still be a hindrance if not a major liability. For us getting in people's faces and saying "get over it!" is not going to net the same result that it might for you.

I didn't realize I was NOTORIOUS for being gay and living where I do.:
no·to·ri·ous -ˈtoʊr-, nə-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[noh-tawr-ee-uh -tohr-, nuh-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1.widely and unfavorably known: a notorious gambler.

 

[str82fcuk]

I didn't realize I was NOTORIOUS for being gay and living where I do.:

In the original French the word notoriety and its cognates does not have a negative connotation

In different places and different times this word has had more or less of a negative connotation in English

Some dictionaries reflect the fluidity and imprecision of the English language better than others

 

[str82fcuk]

There is a theory as well that David (before he became King) had a special friendship with Saul, and that his love of Saul was unlike any he had known with a woman

Ummm ... Dude! ... Just for the record, I think you're talking about the celebrated romance of David and Jonathan.

(My Dad is a priest and I've spent tens of thousands of hours in church so I just happen to know the bible pretty much inside out, backwards, and like the palm of my hand)

ps. wish i was back in durbs its awful snowy here where i am

 

[str82fcuk]

so I'm taking up almost a whole page with multiple posts but I just finished reading everything everyone else wrote and I have to say there is a lot of interesting and good stuff here and I mostly agree with most of what most people have written but there were a few people who seemed to
greatly overestimate the amount of influence a child has on its parents

(I hardly ever saw my father growing up and when I did he was always so preoccupied with himself that he never objected to my very obvious blatant femininity which my mother encouraged ... now that my parents are old and sick they remain completely absolutely steadfastly totally unwilling to be in any way even the slightest bit influenced by anything I say or do even when I am giving them the most basic obvious advice on elementary matters of health and hygiene)

I would further also like to emphasise that
my own personal experience is both unique
and statistically insignificant