The Christmas Secular fall out.
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Man I really don't want to argue with you here. I have stated my belief and have told you where my teaching comes from. You did not open my eyes to where the 'X' came from. I knew that. I was taught that years ago.
I am only trying to say how they do things here in England. They popularly remove the 'X' from Christmas for matters of political correctness in the same way that here there is no longer morning prayer in schools so as not to offend Islamic, Sikh and other religious groups. England has always been noted for being a 'Christian' country. The 'Church Of England' or 'Anglican' church has always been known as the national religious identity.
I don't know whether or not you have any experience of Pentecostalism, but if you did you would know that though they do teach the origins of the 'X'. What they also taught when I was growing up was how the 'Anglican' England has, in today's society moved away from this truth and removes the 'X' solely based on political correctness. People are not widely aware of the origins of the 'X'. Here in England, Royalists and other Traditionalists see the contemporary use of the 'X' as another move to sanitise the country of the 'Anglican' tradition.
I understand that what I originally posted may have been slightly confusing. I was having trouble bringing the clarity I wanted to my point though I feel that what happened in another thread should stay there. I am sorry you feel the need to fuel that here, I think it is unnecessary. Here I will continue to defend my viewpoint, which is that though the 'X' is steeped in the original language of the New Testament: koine Greek, and I have been taught this and understand this clearly. I was raised to understand that Christmas in England and possibly the world has moved away from abbreviating Christ to completely removing him through historical ignorance and/or social inclusion.
If you quote that scripture from Corinthians then stand by it. You do not know everything. You do not know what I was taught. You do not live in England and therefore you are, as the scripture says, ignorant in some things.
Incidentally, the British media calls Ms Aguilera 'Xtina' ... removing the 'Christ' in an ironic reference to what they deem her 'impurity' and also an underlying reference to the origins of the 'X' ... I don't want to ramble anymore so I will stop. I'm repeating myself ... :biggrin1: ... If you have any problems with what I said that is fine, please don't attack me man it's not necessary.
Philippians 2:12 Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling
Agreed. He always provides a charming read. Well-informed. Opinionated and structured. :notworthy:
That is fact. How can anyone possibly debate this ... :biggrin1:
That was a really long explanation for someone who doesn't want to argue. You're just reinforcing the ignorance if you know the misconception is a misconception and choose to perpetuate it. Why not choose to enlighten these people that are confused about why there is such an expression as "XMas" in the first place, rather than trying to pick a fight with them? I'm quite sure the debate is exactly the same here in America as it is in England.
1) Who said I do not 'enlighten' people as to the origins of the 'X'. You are making a very broad assumption based on my response to this thread. That is fine but ignorant. Perhaps you should ask instead of assuming you know everything. I answered this question as I saw fit based on experience. I did not say I do or do not share knowledge of the origins with others.
I also agree that 'Christ' has been removed from 'Christmas' in the commercialisation of Christmas. I made that point twice now. (That would make thrice.) So these two things go hand in hand as far as what I believe. As I said!
2) I think you are just being inflammatory, assumptious and argumentative. Once again, that is fine.
Merry Christmas
JustAsking
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We have a strong tradition here in Ohio of celebrating Junakanoo. We usually don't tell anyone about it though, since... well... the human sacrifice thing tends to attract attention.
David, thanks so much. I like that coming from a good conversationalist as yourself. You have a gift for it and you make this board the better for it.
Sweaty,
Speaking of a "Christian Nation", US presidential candidate Huckabee dragged out that idiotic notion the other day that the US is a Christian Nation because our founding fathers created our laws based on the Ten Commandments.
He failed to explain why our founding fathers created our laws such that 8 out of the Ten Commandments are unconstitutional, and the other two are found in almost every other civilization in the world, Christian or not.
I hope you all had a great Junkanoo.
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Well, that sounds like an insider's nudge and a wink from the fundy branch of the right wing noise machine to remind its members that little more than lip service should ever be given to our laws and silly Constitution. The term "Christian Nation" is fundy code for: Our laws and Constitution are man-made, fallible, and therefore subordinate to fundy interpretation of scripture.
It would be cool to arrange a party with you and many bright members of LPSG to discuss about many things.:wink::wink::wink: I LIKE TO LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLE. The site is enough we can discuss about many topics here.
