The connotation of UNcircumcized

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  1. hottxboi16

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    So i was thinking the other day about the word uncircumcized...i know it may be random but whatever, anyways here are my thoughts

    so I looked at the word and thought, UN, usually things with the prefix un dont have a good connotation...
    like Unconstituational, undo, unaware, uncommon, unfortunate

    all these words tend to have a negative connotation however I dont see why uncircumcized should fall into this group. I mean these are all things that tend to not be the norm, e.g. they are UNcommon however an uncircumcized penis is natural...its the circumcized penis that is UNnatural and perhaps even UNfortunate :p haha kidding kidding

    anyways I just thought about it and I dont agree that it should have that prefix because with the prefix un it makes it seem unnatural and clealry it isnt.


    Iono just my random thoughts and babblings...thoughts?
     
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    I think the word "intact" works as a good descriptor.
     
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    yeah, but thats not how our society looks at it...either its circumsized or un....

    and i also dont know why so many people have preconceived ideas that a natural penis is "nasty"

    just something that got brought up at lil party i was at
     
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    Do you perhaps have another term you'd like to give it? The guy who wrote the dictionary might see your post and like your idea ...

    How much were you guys drinking? :tongue:
     
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    hahhahaha we werent drinking at all of course xD

    how bout we just refer to it as a penis...and then someone can ask whether its natural or circumsized...kthnkz xD



     
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    Hottie has a point. What did they call the state of the intact organ before circumcision was invented, and at what point did the intact penis become un?
     
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    LOL :popworm: Ummm... OK
    The un prefix simply indicates 'lack of', as in lack of circumcision. How people view it is another matter...
    Not all UN words are bad...

    unblemished.
    unassailable.
    unmarred.
    undamaged.
    unafraid.
    unprejudiced.
    unmolested.
    unsoiled.
    unsullied.
    uncorrupted.
    unadulterated.
    uncommon.
     
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    I think it's a case of minority type discrimination. Not to say that it is in the minority but because there is less exposure to it.

    I may not be stating this well.

    In porn (where most girls first see the penis, or guys see someone elses) the penis is shown as erect and the foreskin is pulled back. The "ready for business" look, if you will. Dildos and vibrators are rarely represented with a foreskin, though with the advanced materials now available this is starting to change. Even in most sex ed classes and books the diagrams show the head of the penis clearly, but fail to represent the foreskin.

    Because we aren't exposed to the foreskin as we are with other aspects of the penis when we first see it covering the head our first response tends to be "what's that?"

    Just as it does between different cultures, races, sexual orientations or hell for that matter new foods, lack of familiarity creates a sense of otherness, which is frequently expressed as disgust.

    Just my two cents as an armchair psychologist.
     
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    un-[SIZE=-1]1[/SIZE]
    pref.
    1. Not: unhappy.
    2. Opposite of; contrary to: unrest.
    Yes it is a matter of have one looks at it, but for the most part Un usually indicates a negative connotation.

    Also how many of those Un words that you listed to you actually use on a regular basis? Unmolested? Uncorrupted...? A few of those I could see, but not enough to make a strong arguement


     
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    thanks gillette
     
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    With the exception of unassailable I've used all of them this week. I promise I'll work that one into a conversation tomorrow. :wink:

    Do you think changing the terminology will effect how the noncircumcized are viewed?

    Or would wider familiarity with/acceptance of the intact penis render moot any perception of uncircumcized being a negative 'un'?
     
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    No, Id prefer the terminology changed either way. and yes wider familiarity would help

     
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    That is largely true, but only in America. In the rest of the English-speaking world (or when I'm feeling nasty, in the English-speaking world), a (whole, intact, natural) penis needs no qualification. Most women's first exposure to them is not in a porn context but their father's or brother's in the bath, or on the beach or in the sauna.

    I don't think the disgust is natural, it's carefully cultivated*: you wouldn't believe how many TV shows involve women saying "Eeew!". In Off Centre, there are NINE examples of anti-intact prejudice. In Girlfriends she not only says "Eeew!" but throws his washed underwear across the room.

    *not that I think there's a conspiracy: scriptwriters are just transmitting what they think is the zeitgeist, commonly received wisdom.
     
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    I often wonder how this word became dominant, it seems sort of odd really.

    There's also cut and uncut. Cut may be more negative but uncut sounds sort of odd too. Whenever the topic comes up, I try to use intact when saying something positive and cut when saying something negative. Whether the use of words is enough to change anyone's mind is questionable but it's worth a try.
     
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    my thoughts:

    it's UNbelievable how many stupid freaking circumcision threads there are on this board, even for a penis-centric website such as this. and every single thread always draws out the same small clique of morons to regurgitate the same things they've already said 1000 times before.

    and un is just a prefix that means "not" when affixed to an adjective and to somehow negate when attached to a verb. It has no special connotation, trying to attach one to it makes about as much sense as blaming the world's ills on "isms," as I once saw another member try to do here. Uncircumcised means you're not circumcised, end of story.
     
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    Goodness, you really have a problem when someone points out that you are missing an important part of your dick, don't you!
     
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    Wow I can not believe how fast this thread turned to this...
     
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    I can. Never underestimate the steadfastness or vigilance of the overwhelmingly stupid. They really have little else to do...
     
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    I don't agree at all. The prefixes "un-" and "non-" always imply a "lack" of something, with the opposite state construed as "normal and dominant". This is why terms such as "non-white", "uncivilized", etc. can be so inflammatory, for example. As pointed out above, in many contexts where there is little controversy, these prefixes don't cause one to bat an eyelid... however, they do still carry the connotation of something that is perceived to be the opposite of the dominant form....

    What hottxboi's thread re-illuminates is simply the fact that the term "uncircumcized" establishes a natural state of being at birth as definitionally "lacking", thus translating the socio-cultural dominance of "circumcision as a normal state" into lexicographical-semantic terms as well.

    Whether such a relatively uncontroversial linguistic observation really needs this thread to devolve into another war of words is quite another matter.
     
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    How 'bout we just say a penis is a penis, and call it cicumsized if it happens to be so?

    That's certainly the default condition in most of the world. In fact ever since the Canadian provincial medical plans stopped paying for cicumcision, the number have dropped here significantly. From a high of about 50% in 1972 down to the low single digits, even fractional percentages, depending on the province, from the 90s on.
     
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