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So having a recent conversation with a friend and teammate who is very comfortable with sex in a variety of ways. We were talking about some videos on CF, how he first came about watching them and which ones he liked etc.

HIs first ones were just guys jerking off, he admitted he used to watch a lot of fratmen stuff too. Just fun seeing guys, much like himself, much like all of us, having their private fun in public, or for public viewing. For money even. He was like, that's cool, I could to that.

Then he watched some with the guys having sex with a girl...……...sure as fuck that's cool,, plus they focus on the guys more, guys again like us again. Plus the guys were the center of attention, its nice to see a video where the guys are the main focus, we can see what its like to be looking at ourselves in the greatest moments of our young lives.

As with the guys doing the videos there is a natural progression, next lets throw those guys in with another super hot guy. Now in our mind this could be us and any number of our teammates or friends. Its a bit difficult, even slightly revolting based on how we are brought up, they touch each other, they kiss, the lick another guy ass, even suck his dick. But it doesn't disgust them, and it obviously feels amazing. These guys, guys just like us in so many respects are making their fellow stuffs feel amazing. These guys could be walking down any street attracting the attention of the hottest girls around, just like we want to, or hope we are.

Then the new guy goes from sucking a dick and licking an ass to driving his dick up the other guys asshole...…...and they both seem to be loving it, the look of shock goes to one of pure pleasure in both guys. This may be the tightest thing the one guy has ever slid his dick in and out of, and he is loving it. The guy on the receiving end isn't minding it at all, as a matter of fact his dick is saying he is really really enjoying it. Then cum explodes out of both the guys, massive amounts of cum and you can see the pleasure on both guys faces. This is something we can really relate to. A desire we all have. And man, not matter what your thoughts it was hot. NO doubt the majority of young horny guys no matter their predisposed sexual orientation will have a massive hard on from watching this unfold, if not even more, like their dicks leaking and drooling throbbing trying to bust out of their pants.

These guys aren't gay, they aren't limp wristed, feminine at all, these guys are total studs by anyone's standard. They just made money having sex with another guy, but there is more. That pleasure, that lust wasn't fake, it couldn't be that fake, they were to into it, the cum flew out of their dicks with too much force for them to just be going through the motions. Their orgasms become something we compare our own to. We love driving a girl crazy with our dicks driving in and out of them, feeling so much pleasure ourselves it can make our knees buckle at times. But still, here we are laying in the dorm room, no pussy, not feeling driven to go out and run the 50/50 chance of finding some willing piece.

Never the less, our nuts need some relief. I'll just jerk off. But my roommate is only a few feet away. Oh well, he will turn the lights out soon, then who gives a shit if he hears me breathing hard or the sheets rustle. Damn, now its on my mind, I want some relief so I can go to sleep. Fuck it, just do it. He can leave or he can jerk on his own dick.
so you go for it, telling him man I gotta rub one out bad. Then you have to think, this is how it started with those guys in the videos. Then you realize you have splattered more cum on yourself than some of your greatest times rubbing one out. Could it be because both of you were doing it at the same time?

What if there is something to what these guys do in the videos. What do they know that we are to timid to find out?

Then you have a time to jerk off alone and you decide to look for another video, this time it is one of the guys you have seen since his initial solo jerk off video. But this time he is getting fucked, this guy who was just there to jerk off and get a blow job, then was talked into fucking a dude. Now he is getting fucked, what did he find out doing this?

Holy shit, cum just shot out of his dick without him ever even touching it, just from another Dude ramming his big dick in and our of his ass, his nuts wadded up and wrung out a massive load all on their on. All he did was stand there and moan...…….is that even possible?
It has to be, it also has to be one of the hottest things you have ever seen, then you realize your dick is already leaking all over your hand.

None of them turned them gay...………..did it. They seemed to be having the time of their life.
Why do you have to be paid for it to be ok to please and receive pleasure from your closest pals or teammates?
Why is it not OK, to just have fun. Why is it any worse to help each other out with a blow job than it is to just jerk off before you turn on the lights each morning. Or heaven forbid offer up your ass to each other?

Why is it not OK, why cant you do all that and still graduate, get married and have a family. Just like you planned on from day one of puberty. You just had a hell of a lot more fun along the way.
 

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The 'born this way' theory is political and there's no solid science behind it. Sexual fluidity backed by science is gaining more solid ground in the sexuality debate and don't be surprised if LGBTI identity politics in the next decade implodes on itself as a result.

'Born this way'? It's way more complicated than that

You say this like is two mutually exclusive concepts. I mean, doesn't sexual fluidity encompass that you are born with your sexuality and predilections?
 
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You say this like is two mutually exclusive concepts. I mean, doesn't sexual fluidity encompass that you are born with your sexuality and predilections?

It's means no one is born exclusively monosexual as what LGBTI activists claim. We're all born sexually fluid and it manifests itself in various ways, yet no one is totally gold star gay or perfectly straight.
 

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It's means no one is born exclusively monosexual as what LGBTI activists claim. We're all born sexually fluid and it manifests itself in various ways, yet no one is totally gold star gay or perfectly straight.

I am "totally gold star gay."
 
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So having a recent conversation with a friend and teammate who is very comfortable with sex in a variety of ways. We were talking about some videos on CF, how he first came about watching them and which ones he liked etc.

HIs first ones were just guys jerking off, he admitted he used to watch a lot of fratmen stuff too. Just fun seeing guys, much like himself, much like all of us, having their private fun in public, or for public viewing. For money even. He was like, that's cool, I could to that.

Then he watched some with the guys having sex with a girl...……...sure as fuck that's cool,, plus they focus on the guys more, guys again like us again. Plus the guys were the center of attention, its nice to see a video where the guys are the main focus, we can see what its like to be looking at ourselves in the greatest moments of our young lives.

As with the guys doing the videos there is a natural progression, next lets throw those guys in with another super hot guy. Now in our mind this could be us and any number of our teammates or friends. Its a bit difficult, even slightly revolting based on how we are brought up, they touch each other, they kiss, the lick another guy ass, even suck his dick. But it doesn't disgust them, and it obviously feels amazing. These guys, guys just like us in so many respects are making their fellow stuffs feel amazing. These guys could be walking down any street attracting the attention of the hottest girls around, just like we want to, or hope we are.

Then the new guy goes from sucking a dick and licking an ass to driving his dick up the other guys asshole...…...and they both seem to be loving it, the look of shock goes to one of pure pleasure in both guys. This may be the tightest thing the one guy has ever slid his dick in and out of, and he is loving it. The guy on the receiving end isn't minding it at all, as a matter of fact his dick is saying he is really really enjoying it. Then cum explodes out of both the guys, massive amounts of cum and you can see the pleasure on both guys faces. This is something we can really relate to. A desire we all have. And man, not matter what your thoughts it was hot. NO doubt the majority of young horny guys no matter their predisposed sexual orientation will have a massive hard on from watching this unfold, if not even more, like their dicks leaking and drooling throbbing trying to bust out of their pants.

These guys aren't gay, they aren't limp wristed, feminine at all, these guys are total studs by anyone's standard. They just made money having sex with another guy, but there is more. That pleasure, that lust wasn't fake, it couldn't be that fake, they were to into it, the cum flew out of their dicks with too much force for them to just be going through the motions. Their orgasms become something we compare our own to. We love driving a girl crazy with our dicks driving in and out of them, feeling so much pleasure ourselves it can make our knees buckle at times. But still, here we are laying in the dorm room, no pussy, not feeling driven to go out and run the 50/50 chance of finding some willing piece.

Never the less, our nuts need some relief. I'll just jerk off. But my roommate is only a few feet away. Oh well, he will turn the lights out soon, then who gives a shit if he hears me breathing hard or the sheets rustle. Damn, now its on my mind, I want some relief so I can go to sleep. Fuck it, just do it. He can leave or he can jerk on his own dick.
so you go for it, telling him man I gotta rub one out bad. Then you have to think, this is how it started with those guys in the videos. Then you realize you have splattered more cum on yourself than some of your greatest times rubbing one out. Could it be because both of you were doing it at the same time?

What if there is something to what these guys do in the videos. What do they know that we are to timid to find out?

Then you have a time to jerk off alone and you decide to look for another video, this time it is one of the guys you have seen since his initial solo jerk off video. But this time he is getting fucked, this guy who was just there to jerk off and get a blow job, then was talked into fucking a dude. Now he is getting fucked, what did he find out doing this?

Holy shit, cum just shot out of his dick without him ever even touching it, just from another Dude ramming his big dick in and our of his ass, his nuts wadded up and wrung out a massive load all on their on. All he did was stand there and moan...…….is that even possible?
It has to be, it also has to be one of the hottest things you have ever seen, then you realize your dick is already leaking all over your hand.

None of them turned them gay...………..did it. They seemed to be having the time of their life.
Why do you have to be paid for it to be ok to please and receive pleasure from your closest pals or teammates?
Why is it not OK, to just have fun. Why is it any worse to help each other out with a blow job than it is to just jerk off before you turn on the lights each morning. Or heaven forbid offer up your ass to each other?

Why is it not OK, why cant you do all that and still graduate, get married and have a family. Just like you planned on from day one of puberty. You just had a hell of a lot more fun along the way.

I was thinking about your post, and I think you make a lot of valid points regarding seeing ourselves in the guys that are having sex with other guys. In the early 90s, gay guys that were out that I met were revolting. They were unfit, lacked social skills, effeminate, spoke with a lisp and quite frankly fugly to the extreme. I would see those guys and think to myself that there was no way I could be gay because I found these guys gross. I was in very hyper masculine environments at the time such as my fraternity and gym. The guys I found hot were guys like me. Guys that worked out, behaved in a masculine manner, were confident and were total jocks. It goes without saying that these types of guys that I found attractive were insanely homophobic to the extreme. When I started watching gay porn like Sean Cody which featured the kind of guys I was always attracted to, I realized that not all gay guys fit the stereotype of being gay (weak, effeminate, insecure and unattractive). That was a huge moment for me in acknowledging the fact that I was at the very least bi sexual because I could actually see myself being sexual with another guy without feeling or acting like a flaming queen. In all honestly @wildcat16, you are probably the kind of guy I would find attractive and want to fool around with. You seem to fit the mold exactly of what I find hot in a guy.

Emotionally, I am still primarily attracted to women. Let's face it. Guys are fucking assholes to each other. Physically though, I'm attracted to both genders. A hot woman and a hot guy both catch my eye and I can easily see myself getting it on with either one of them. I think at the moment, I find men more physically attractive because it's still the forbidden fruit if you will. I've had sex with lots of women before, so there's nothing new there. Because I'm still a gay virgin (outside of the mild fooling around with my bromance on the night of his stag 24 years ago that I have posted about before), there's a lot of unexplored and unknown territory there. Will I ever get to explore it, I honestly don't know, but I think that's what makes it so exciting for me still. I am happily married and love my wife. Hurting her is the last thing I want to do, but as the KD Lang song goes, there's that constant craving. I may try gay sex one day only to find out that I don't like it, and it's not at all what I thought it would be. Am I willing to sacrifice my happy marriage to find out? No, it's too high a price to pay.
 
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Everyone is sexually fluid. Straight and gay are just labels.

When it comes to men, they bond through physical contact and this is on a spectrum from non-sexual to sexual. So guys engaging in various sexual acts with their mates is very common, totally normal, yet it's still socially taboo so not discussed very often.

Explainer: what is sexual fluidity?

Strongly disagree that "everyone is sexually fluid." I, for one, am not. It's usually dangerous to use terms such as "everyone," "all,' and "everybody." As I suspected, women tend to be more often than men.

Sexual fluidity - Wikipedia
 

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Strongly disagree that "everyone is sexually fluid." I, for one, am not. It's usually dangerous to use terms such as "everyone," "all,' and "everybody." As I suspected, women tend to be more often than men.

Sexual fluidity - Wikipedia

I'll play devils advocate here, but is it any more dangerous to use terms like everyone, all or everybody, than it is to say you are 100% gay?
I agree with the never say never way of thinking on lots of stuff, "ALL" is a big term.

You haven't lived your whole life yet, and our sexuality is affected by time, age, experiences to some extent...…...maybe at some point you decide you are 99 and 1 or 50/50 or any combination other than the 100 percent you are now.
 
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I will say I was worried this post would be filled with 100% straight guys claiming their heterosexuality, I never dreamed the most adamant one sided posts would be those claiming their 100% gaydom could never be challenged, lol.
 
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I will say I was worried this post would be filled with 100% straight guys claiming their heterosexuality, I never dreamed the most adamant one sided posts would be those claiming their 100% gaydom could never be challenged, lol.

Fair observation. But what's up with those trying to pigeon-hole all of us into their definitions of their sexuality spectrum? How is that different from me saying I'm 100% gay? Or a gold-star gay?

And your comment to @CuriousGuy that never say never; you haven't lived your life. You are right. I don't know how old he is. But yeah, anything is possible...

I'm 65. Been out since 19. My two best friends are women. Love 'em to pieces. I just don't ever see myself being sexually attracted to either of them or another female for that matter. But yeah, anything is possible...

I understand the quandary some face. That for some, sexuality is fluid. I truly do. I understand that not everyone's sexual proclivity is cast in stone...and that anything is possible...

But for ME, the possibility is slim to none.
 
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You haven't lived your whole life yet, and our sexuality is affected by time, age, experiences to some extent...…...maybe at some point you decide you are 99 and 1 or 50/50 or any combination other than the 100 percent you are now.

Amen to that. If only I knew then what I know now.
 
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Fair observation. But what's up with those trying to pigeon-hole all of us into their definitions of their sexuality spectrum? How is that different from me saying I'm 100% gay? Or a gold-star gay?

And your comment to @CuriousGuy that never say never; you haven't lived your life. You are right. I don't know how old he is. But yeah, anything is possible...

I'm 65. Been out since 19. My two best friends are women. Love 'em to pieces. I just don't ever see myself being sexually attracted to either of them or another female for that matter. But yeah, anything is possible...

I understand the quandary some face. That for some, sexuality is fluid. I truly do. I understand that not everyone's sexual proclivity is cast in stone...and that anything is possible...

But for ME, the possibility is slim to none.

I had never heard the term Gold star gay till today. But my comment was basically meant for this, I didn't really start the thread for those supporting extremism or declaring it. The whole context of the thread is how something has affected those not to one extreme or another. And as I said I had expected the extreme declaring heterosexual guys to hijack it at times, it just surprised me that those who normally want people to be open minded and accepting would declare something so finite so adamantly.
 
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On another point though, I had not heard much about sexual fluidity till this thread either, so I am intrigued by this line of thinking.
 

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On another point though, I had not heard much about sexual fluidity till this thread either, so I am intrigued by this line of thinking.

It's a rather new concept for me as well. However, along my life's journey, I met my share of folks that, had this term existed, would definitely been labeled sexually fluid. I just knew them as people. People that I worked with. Or partied with in the Clubs. Cuz I'm a "whatever floats your boat" kinda guy. Do you. Be you. And let's just have a good time.

As for me, I don't see my 100% gayness as extreme. I just see that as me being me. It's all I've known myself to be. I think it important to remember that in pretty much any discussion of sexuality, one must remember that one size does not fit all. That's been my life's experience.

There are a lot of folks who are all over the sexual spectrum. But there are some absolutes. Cuz I know 100% lesbians. I know 100% gays. I know me.

Now my husband of 41 years? He was "dating" a woman when we met. I cured him. LOL!
 
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