The Cwazy Things Those Wacky Wepublicans Believe - Part III

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  1. maxcok

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    A recent Harris Poll tracks what Americans believe about President Obama. The results are broken down by Education, Political Philosophy and Political Party. Here's what the Republicans had to say:

    Majorities of Republicans believe that President Obama:
    • Is a socialist (67%)
    • Wants to take away Americans' right to own guns (61%)
    • Is a Muslim (57%)
    • Wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one world government (51%); and
    • Has done many things that are unconstitutional (55%).
    Also large numbers of Republicans also believe that President Obama:
    • Resents America's heritage (47%)
    • Does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do (40%)
    • Was not born in the United States and so is not eligible to be president (45%)
    • Is the "domestic enemy that the U.S. Constitution speaks of" (45%)
    • Is a racist (42%)
    • Want to use an economic collapse or terrorist attack as an excuse to take dictatorial powers (41%)
    • Is doing many of the things that Hitler did (38%).
    Even more remarkable perhaps, fully 24% of Republicans believe that "he may be the Anti-Christ" and 22% believe "he wants the terrorists to win."
    While few Democrats believe any of these things, the proportions of Independents who do so are close to the national averages.
    One big surprise is that many more Republicans (40%) than Democrats (15%) believe the president does what Wall Street and the bankers tell him to do.

    For the full report go here: .Harris Interactive - Harris Polls

    There has been some controversy over the polling methods, and whether the data is a true reflection of attitudes. Since the results pretty well parallel a poll commissioned by the Daily Kos in January and an earlier one last fall, it all seems pretty credible.

    Daily Kos :: State of the Nation

    In the past two years, 'conservatives' in the media have advanced many of these false claims, including that Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, wants to take away Americans' guns, and was not born in the United States. They have also advanced numerous smears that Obama is a socialist,
    a racist, and has policies and beliefs similar to Hitler's.

    For the reasons people believe this crap, go to the story behind the numbers:

    Harris poll finds Republicans believe GOP smears - Media Matters

    Cwazy. Scawy.
     
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  2. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    Scawy indeed.
    I tell you, you Merkuns have become truly crazy about politics.
    Go back 40 years, and the idea of a bipartisan impulse behind something Congress might do was entirely credible.
    But now, Repubs and Dems think of themselves as two different species.
    It's a tragedy.
    The U.S. will need a tremendous amount of unity and political large-mindedness over the coming decades.
    Maybe when the debt crisis hits ... as it will... you will come together.
    But I don't see it happening.
    At the origins of your country, you were a light unto the nations, as pivotal as Greece and Rome.
    Upcoming politicians under all kinds of systems might quote Lincoln or one of the Federalists.
    But now, you just seem to be a tragedy unfolding in slow motion.
    I was speaking of this at a dinner party a few nights ago and was astonished to find myself choking up a little.
    If you don't find yourselves again, it will be, yes, a tragedy.
    For you, and for the world.
     
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    Wise words well said. America can only hope the Coffee Party USA can save us.
     
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    Ah, the Coffee Party.
    This is the first mention of them I've heard.
     
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    NO, wingnut Republicans think of themselves as being the one and only group of people capable of running the country (even though every time they take control of the country, it goes to shit within a few years). They have consistently demonized any and all political opponents. And you certainly don't have to be a Dem to feel the hate. (Anyone remember Colin Powell?). Moderate Reps get it even worse. BELIEVE ME, I know from personal experience.

    It's not a tragedy that these people so blatantly put self before country. It's pathetic that they are so weak and cowardly, that they can't even face reality when it doesn't go their way.
     
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    They never forgave the world for giving them Bill Clinton.
    I'm sure there's a lot of truth in what you say.
    The only problem is that 'wingnut Republicans' have become an astonishingly large group.

    Why that wouldn't be a tragedy ... all right, a pathetic tragedy ... I don't know. Blindness is a tragedy.
    And the consequences of this blindness are clearly tragic.
     
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    As the great P.J. O'Rourke says "Republicans claim government doesn't work, then get elected and prove it."

    Here's a few more:
    Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.

    America wasn't founded so that we could all be better. America was founded so we could all be anything we damned well pleased.

    And one from Turdblossom:
    As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.
    Karl Rove

    And the great Will Rogers:
    Democrats never agree on anything, that's why they're Democrats. If they agreed with each other, they would be Republicans.
    Will Rogers
     
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    Will sure had that one wrong.
     
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    :biggrin1:

    Also in the same vein from Will: "I don't belong to an organized party: I'm a Democrat."
     
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    I don't disagree.

    I guess my point could have been better conveyed by saying I think that what's going on in US politics these days has moved beyond being 'tragic'. To me, something 'tragic' is something that happens by chance or by accident. This is purposeful.

    What's going on here by the political right is coldly calculated to benefit self above everything else, including country (how many times have we all heard the Limbaugh types tell people they hope the country fails, or the economy continues to do poorly?). It's premeditated and deliberate. The right has incorrectly concluded that if they poison the well, eventually everyone else will die but them. Not only is it obviously a stupid premise to shit where you sleep, but they also seem to have forgotten the lessons of the Civil War, when the nation made it clear that if someone tries to take down the country, then the country is going to make sure you're the guy out in front who gets it the worst.
     
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    I guess Obama needs to be doing something, ANYTHING to get us Republicans to not believe some of those things, huh? Oh wait! That would mean completely scrapping his entire agenda, and everything he stands for.
     
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    I lesson in hypocrisy.

    'the republicans demonize the opposition'

    and this thread had done nothing but demonstrate just that.
     
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    It is gratifying to hear a Canadian, or anyone beyond our borders, recognize the critical importance of America's influence in shaping the governments of the modern world. Modern democracy and many of the freedoms enjoyed by literally billions, roughly half the world's population, were for the most part born and developed in the 'Great American Experiment'. Perhaps that is better understood and appreciated elsewhere than it is here. In America these freedoms, as well as the strength of our nation and our democracy, are largely, arrogantly and foolishly taken for granted.*

    I agree with you that as 'the leader of the free world' our slow disintegration and demise is a tragedy, a great tragedy of monumental and historic proportion. Other than at our founding and during the years leading up to and through the Civil War, I can think of no time when our path to the future, who we are as a people and what we represent as a nation, have been put in such dire jeopardy. I have experienced a range of emotions over this - like you, choking up and more, to anger, frustration, and sardonic detachment.

    There are many reasons for this sad fix we find ourselves in, all of them connected: the (deliberate?) dumbing down of the population, the presentation of entertainment and propaganda as news and information, the dominance of corporate interests and influence in our government our politics and virtually every aspect of our lives, the laziness and complacency of the people, deliberate campaigns of misinformation and disinformation, and so on. Ultimately though, it is the people who are to blame. The people are the government, at least they are supposed to be.

    There is no saviour for America, nobody riding on a black or white horse with hope and change in his pocket. The only way I see us getting back on track is if enough reasonable thinking people stop being passive consumers and start acting like citizens. Democrats, Progressives, Independents, the politically unaligned - and most of all moderate Republicans, if there are any - could all take a page from the Teabaggers. They need to stop whining, stand up, get organized, and forcefully counter the absurd and dangerous rhetoric of the right - in other words, get actively involved the the public political arena. That of course would require them to get off their lazy fat asses, turn off their teevees, stop being obsessed with every bright shiny distraction foisted on them by the corporate media, and quit their endless and vain pursuit of materialistic nirvana. I don't have high hopes this happening, so I remain deeply pessimistic. And a little choked up.


    *(The latest Democracy Index published by the Economist lists the United States 18th out of 30 'full democracies' - in other words, more than halfway down the list, just before the Czech Republic and following Japan.)
    I would like to have been at your dinner party. Is that where the esteemed Senor was consumed?
     
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    my head is startin 2 hurt
     
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    I know you may find this hard to believe, but I tell you if you spoke this entire post at a tea party rally (except for the part where you say to stand up against the right) it would be met with enthusiastic cheers. This is EXACLY what the tea partyers are feeling right now. What's really remarkable is your inability to see that the threat to the "modern democracy" and "freedoms" and even the "Great American Experiment" itself is the left wing of the present government. What Obama and Pelosi are trying to to is replace the Great American Experiment with the Karl Marx Experience and they are using Rules For Radicals as their playbook to make it happened. If Obama gets his way, we will be on a permanent path. The same Path the Soviet Union was on. We know where that road goes. Tea Partyers are not the radicals. All they want is to stop the people from taking the Great American Experiment and hope for Modern Democracy away from the world. I know you think Democracy is not at stake BUT IT IS. Do you realize that CEO's of companies that spoke out against the healthcare bill have been called before congress to testify under oath? That is just the beginning. As in the USSR, the more power and money people give to the government, the more they will take away in the name of safety and security. Thats when nothing can stop them from doing whatever they want, including taking ALL of your freedom away. Then as people get more and more depressed with their situation, that's when the food lines start, then the famine and chronic poverty, followed by the eventual collapse of the nation. Thats what happened in the USSR because thats what happens in communism, and communism is what Obama wants.
     
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    Oh, so Obama is a Communist now? Can someone let me know when he goes back to being a Fascist or a Socialist? With all of the batshit labeling going on with our President by our beloved idiots, it's hard to keep up sometimes.
     
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    Yeah, I agree. But you can't convince any of those beyotches to stop fighting. And news media just spotlights and hypes it up. But people don't realize that at the end of the night it is all a job. Sensationalism is job security for some.
     
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    What does that mean,"I lesson in hypocrisy"??? Are you studying hypocrisy? Studying ESL too?

    Is this your own statement? I'm surprised. If this is a quote, are you agreeing? Did you want to give attribution?

    This thread has done nothing but reveal the disturbing attitudes and crazy beliefs held by a great percentage of Republicans, often the majority. Again, are you saying you agree? and approve?? If not, I would suggest you work within your own party to educate and change attitudes. Or you could switch to a party more in line with your own beliefs and ideals.

    The Republicans do demonize the opposition. One need only watch any random half hour on Faux News or any mouthpiece of the Republican leadership to see that.

    Here: Republicans believe GOP smears - Media Matters

    I am very perplexed by your post, Star. I have no idea what you're trying to say. Either I have led you to a remarkable political conversion, or you were drunk when you wrote this. There could be some other explanation I suppose. Another entity has taken you over?? I'm all ears.
     
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    Well I was drunk, but what I meant was this:

    This thread is condemning republicans because they 'demonize the opposition' among other things.

    But you and the others are doing the same thing in this thread - demonizing the opposition.

    How is it any different?

    There are some idiots in the repub party - you'll get no argument here.

    There are plenty in the democratic party as well.

    You are not one of the idiots. But there are several on both sides.
     
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    As for demonizing the opposition....
    Have the Democrats said anything that comes close to this? In ANY election?
     
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