The Da Vinci Delusion

[dong20]

My cynicism was aroused when the promos for this movie started on the TV here a while ago. Nothing like jumping on the Bandwagon..I've seen a couple of documentaries about this but not read the book....or really considered the subject much...is it worth it?

I wonder how they solved the mystery (I mean they must have....IT'S HOLLYWOOD). I didn't think too much beyond the blatant commercialism but came across this...it seems to be winding the bible bashers up pretty bad so I guess it's not all bad : :tongue:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/14052006/325/da-vinci-code-movie-target-u-s-evangelicals.html

 

[B_josiah852]

I think the mystery of The Da Vinci Code can be solved real quick if people will turn to the page just before the acknowledgements page. About middle ways down it states: This book is a work of fiction. Simple as that. Who is carrying on ? The same people that believe what they read in the tabloids at the checkout counters. The only that has come of all the nonsense bickering about this book is: Hundreds of thousands of more copies have been sold and the movie will sell out everywhere it shows. I am sure that Dan Brown (the author) is greatfull for all the publicity.

 

[B_Stronzo]

Silly.

Dan Brown's The DaVinci Code is God's little way of having at the Roman Catholics for fucking with Christianity so badly.:tongue:

And for my part I say Christ had descendants. One day visit a town in central France called "Veselay" and the Basilica of Sainte Madeleine. There's something very surreal about that place that one cannot describe unless you've experienced it.

 

[Altairion]

I just finished reading it...awesome book. I'm glad to see it ruffling the feathers of the Church as I'm sure it deserves to have some doubt cast over it's history. However I don't treat it all as truth. Just like I don't treat the fact that every kid in school is taught that Columbus discovered America or that the American Revolution was a patriotic war that was completely righteous or true.

 

[Freddie53]

I have read a critique of the book and movie. It was online so I will see if I can find it again.

Earlier some one mentioned that is is a fiction book. Yes it is, it is actually historical fiction. That means it is based on some history, but there is a lot of fiction in it.

Here are a few things that are historical that fuel the Da Vinci Code:

1. There really are Gnostic Gospels that date back to the first century
2. The Gnostics are discussed in the New Testament
3. The Gnostics were a group of Christians in the first two centuries who have a totally different theology than the theology of the traditional Gospels.
4. At the Council of Nicea in the third century a group of Christian leaders determined which books would make the canon of the Bible and which books would not.
5. The present books in the New Testament all made it and the New Testament has the same books as those selected at that Council.
6. Those books that didn't make it are the "foundation" for a lot that is in the DaVinci Code.
7. However, most of the information beyond the third and fourth centuries concerning the Gnostics isn't historical, but fiction.

I plan to go see the movie. I plan to take my youth group at church. The young people need to know the basis of the faith of our church and the youth need to know what parts of the deVinci Code are in fact historical and which parts are the parts the author wrote himself.

Sadly, many fundies will just condemn the book and the movie and miss out on an opportunity to learn how the Bible came to be written and which books made it and which books didn't and a weatlh of other historical information.

 

[yhtang]

I plan to take my youth group at church. The young people need to know the basis of the faith of our church and the youth need to know what parts of the deVinci Code are in fact historical and which parts are the parts the author wrote himself.

The truth of, or the degrees of truth in the Da Vinci Code should not affect a person's faith in the Creator.

The Turin Shroud had been scientifically dated to be post-Christ era, and that did not seem to deter Christians.

I am sure all the controversy surrounding the book will make both the author and the film producers very happy and increase their incomes.

 

[Freddie53]

Be good; if you can't be good, be safe.

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I always thought that quote was, "If you can't be good, be good at it."

 

[JustAsking]

I was a little disappointed in the book. Even knowing it was fiction, I was still looking for a good religious conspiracy romp. The story really wasn't that exciting. I think it is getting an extra kick from the fact that a lot of people think it has varying degrees of truth in it. On the other hand, I am expecting that the movie will be more exciting than the lack-luster book.

I did enjoy Dan Brown's previous book, Angels and Demons. I recommend that one. It is pure bald-faced fiction and stands on its own as a really exciting thriller. It has all the ingredients of a great movie. Also, if people like 1000 year long religious conspiriacies, I recommend Umbert Eco's book called Foucault's Pendulum.

 

[GoneA]

I recommend Umbert Eco's book called Foucault's Pendulum.

Yes, I was certainly going to recommend this book! It's one of my favorites.

 

[yhtang]

Be good; if you can't be good, be safe.

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I always thought that quote was, "If you can't be good, be good at it."

Touche !

 

[hung9mike]

About middle ways down it states: This book is a work of fiction.

Hi Josiah, I haven't read the DaVinci Code (I'm not a fan of fiction) and I doubt I'll see the movie. So I may be well off base with the observations I'm going to make, but here goes:

1. Is it possible that the reason this book is so apparently threatening is that it is fiction (it doesn't pretend to be anything else) based on Biblical characters? And, since it is fiction, does it imply, suggest, or call into question that the Bible could be fiction as well?
2. The fact that there were alternate versions of the Gospel that didn't make the cut (so to speak) to be included in the canon might suggest that the Bible as we know it is arbitrary. I expect many people were not aware that there were other Gospels before the DaVinci Code came out. It prompts the question: Has the word of God been manipulated by man?

 

[Wilde316]

I find the true joy of the fame of this book is that people have made it out to be so much more than it is, a work of fiction. I enjoyed it, hell I read it twice, but I love the way the church has gone insane, all they've done is compell others to buy it. The concepts are great but in the long run the true story is that one must decide what one wants to believe, the church doesn't like this concept as it takes away from their one true god notion. I say read the book, enjoy the book, anything that can get so many people reading cant be all that bad, just dont believe the book to be the true path, nor believe that the bible is the true path. In the end one must choose for themselves.

 

[MorganaDrake]

I love the Da Vinci Code. I was more fond of Angels and Demons but The Da Vinci code held it's own. And honestly, I don't get all this excitement over it...it's a fiction novel. Yeah, some of it's based in truth, but it clearly states its a work of fiction. It's as if the church thinks we shouldn't have imaginations and write stuff that goes against their believes and the day I lose my imagination is the day my life becomes ever so boring. Yet, the book does make you wonder, what if? And I love that about it. It made my mind work overtime and if you come away from a book doing a bit of thinking, then I think the author has done his/her job.

 

[rawbone8]

Thinking??? Heresy!!! :wink:

 

[Stursberg]

Has the word of God been manipulated by man?

That's kind of like "is the Pope a Catholic?"

 

[solong]

Brent Bozell, columnist, wrote this:

“Now witness the coming of the movie version of "The DaVinci Code." Think of it as the anti-"Passion." In one film, Jesus was Lord; in the other, Jesus was not only merely mortal, he was the center of an elaborate fraud. In one film, Jesus founded his Church at the Last Supper; in the other, the Catholic Church unfolds as a secretive, murderous, thoroughly evil conspiracy. So what's Hollywood's take? The reaction to this movie is almost the exact opposite of what Gibson received.”

The Bible, regardless whether you believe it or not says that a man may blaspheme the Lord and be forgiven, but if he blasphemes the work of the Holy Spirit, he shall never be forgiven, not in this world, or in the world to come. In other words, he's a dead duck.

It was the work of the Holy Spirit which was responsible for Christ's resurrection and all the things He accomplished prior to that (as well as after). So if anybody would like to go ahead and play craps with this, be my guest. You still have the opportunity to deep-six all your chances, just like the Pharisees in MAT 23, whom, although they counted Christ as their enemy, spoke directly against His divinity and was told by Christ, "How can you escape the fires of hell?" In other words, you've gone too far and your hatred has jsut sealed your fate, but Christ didn't come to judge, so He put it in the form of a question-- to be answered later.

 

[Matthew]

Does that mean if we go to see The DaVinci Code we're going to burn in eternal hellfire?

Just wondering.

 

[B_Stronzo]

Oh for the love of Hutton Gibson "solong".

I think Freddie's on to you big time . Either you're the world's biggest redneck moron or you just like yanking chains.

Fuck The Passion of the Mel and its not-so-thinly-veiled anti-humanist sentiments and vengeful God wagging finger overtones and fuck organized Christianity for that matter. The Passion of the Christ was overt propaganda. That columnist you quote is a looney tune.

Anyone who adheres to Christianity in its present adulterated form (and I give it a capital "C" only in the historical sense) buys into the subervience of women, homos are bad, and sex is only for procreation.

Dude? WRONG BOARD! Stuff that thinking right along side with those airplane photos of the Pentagon post airplane impact.

If nothing else The DaVinci Code will make people aware that man and especially Roman Catholic man has been playing with the story of Christ since its inception. Makes one wonder what the real historical Jesus really had as His intent... One thing is certain; can't be this shit.

Beyond that it's just fun to speculate.

".... there's more things in heaven and earth Horatio than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

and you can take that to the bank.

 

[rawbone8]

Does that mean if we go to see The DaVinci Code we're going to burn in eternal hellfire?

Just wondering.

Matthew — you'll be ok if you remember to boo at the end

 

[faceking]

I find the true joy of the fame of this book is that people have made it out to be so much more than it is, a work of fiction. I enjoyed it, hell I read it twice, but I love the way the church has gone insane, all they've done is compell others to buy it. The concepts are great but in the long run the true story is that one must decide what one wants to believe, the church doesn't like this concept as it takes away from their one true god notion. I say read the book, enjoy the book, anything that can get so many people reading cant be all that bad, just dont believe the book to be the true path, nor believe that the bible is the true path. In the end one must choose for themselves.

Oh please... the whole thing was fabricated by Bushco, as a cover up to 9/11. The number of brown shades used in the Last Supper is 11, and the number of blue shades is 9. "analysts" and "reports" show the color shades of each to be no more than 6 prior to 9/11. A new "report" details how Halliburton, via a no-bid contract, won the bid from Bushco in altering the picture to be used as code to let terrorists know when to hijack the planes, so as to coordinate with a 2 seater Cessna repelte with 1,500 lbs of explosives dumping into the pentagon.

Dan Brown's phone was wiretipped 3 times in 2002.

Just as Zora and Stronzo... they'll tell ya so!