The Dangers Of Being A Moderate Today

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At first I saw his face and thought "no"... but I gave it a try. Then I heard his accent and thought "no".

Then I lissened to what he says and I agree with his main point.
 

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give it a chance..

This is really poor argument, and I can give an example why.

Among the Democratic candidates for 2020, Beto is on the centrist road. As Democrats go, he's a left leaning moderate. Bernie Sanders would be an example of a candidate on the left.

But back to Beto. According to this guy in your youtube video, Beto should be supporting all of the following for sake of "finding the middle ground)
  • Expanding border walls
  • Militarization of the southern border
  • Tolerating fascism
  • Supporting family separation
  • etc

Except that Beto has been the most outspoken critic of these things. He just called out Trump for using rhetoric that is similar to what the third Reich used. He's been fighting against family separation strongly and successfully lobbied one of the government contractors to shut down their camp. He's advocated scaling back the amount of border fencing we have in place already where it makes sense to do so. Etc.

And as a left leaning moderate myself, I support him in all of those things. You see what I mean? This youtube guy leads with a false premise (that moderates are about finding common ground between the left and the right). That's not what it is. He is correct that the percentage of the electorate that identifies as moderate has been shrinking, but he's completely mis-characterizing what it means to be moderate.

It's a waste of airtime because it's addressing an audience that by and large does not exist. He's made up his own bogeyman.
 

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In addition we have as they say "seen this movie"

Going into the 2010 cycle you had all the Blue, Dog,Yellow dog or what ever color dog, Democrats who thought the pathc to keeping their seats was to take this sort of path.

Gene Taylor is the example I know that best.

He made big huge deal about how he voted against the ACA, and how he was 100% in favor of repeal of it and would file a discharge petition to do so in the next congress and how he would not vote for Nancy Pelosi as speaker if the D's did retain the house even made big deal about how he was the chairman of the sub-committee that writes the ship building part of the defense budget in a district that is home to the shipyard that builds the vast majority of the surface ships the Navy buys.

In the end it did not matter, he and all those other "middle of the road" "Republican lite" "dogs" LOST anyway to actual bonafide Republicans
 
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This is really poor argument, and I can give an example why.

Among the Democratic candidates for 2020, Beto is on the centrist road. As Democrats go, he's a left leaning moderate. Bernie Sanders would be an example of a candidate on the left.

But back to Beto. According to this guy in your youtube video, Beto should be supporting all of the following for sake of "finding the middle ground)
  • Expanding border walls
  • Militarization of the southern border
  • Tolerating fascism
  • Supporting family separation
  • etc

Except that Beto has been the most outspoken critic of these things. He just called out Trump for using rhetoric that is similar to what the third Reich used. He's been fighting against family separation strongly and successfully lobbied one of the government contractors to shut down their camp. He's advocated scaling back the amount of border fencing we have in place already where it makes sense to do so. Etc.

And as a left leaning moderate myself, I support him in all of those things. You see what I mean? This youtube guy leads with a false premise (that moderates are about finding common ground between the left and the right). That's not what it is. He is correct that the percentage of the electorate that identifies as moderate has been shrinking, but he's completely mis-characterizing what it means to be moderate.

It's a waste of airtime because it's addressing an audience that by and large does not exist. He's made up his own bogeyman.

I agree with you to a point regarding your comments about Beto, but I do not think they totally invalidate the Fifth Column guy.

Although his overall argument maybe shaky, he has many valid points; especially regarding the conservative propaganda pulling right leaning moderates.

IMHO I think in terms of left moderates they go from center to left as follows - Biden, Beto, Harris, Warren and then Bernie.

As a right moderate I will vote as far left as Harris running against the Donald. Warren and Bernie will be just as shitty or more shitty to my interests as Trump.
 
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