The earth is flat and circular and extends past antarctica

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Tom Nichols is professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College and an (unashamed) expert

In his new book, "The Death of Expertise," he argues that low levels of foundational knowledge have mixed with an epidemic of narcissism to make Americans resentful of expertise.

people are more misinformed than uninformed

"At some point we got it in our heads that every opinion is worth the same. I have been criticized for ridiculing that idea. But it is an idea worth ridiculing."


...the internet offers "an apparent shortcut to erudition," one that "allows people to mimic intellectual accomplishment by indulging in an illusion of expertise provided by a limitless supply of facts. Facts, as experts know, are not the same as knowledge or ability.

What does "The Death of Expertise" mean for fact-checkers?
https://www.poynter.org/news/what-does-death-expertise-mean-fact-checkers


Ah that looks Long and complicated. mansplain It to me bro!

... I gotta drink meh coffee .
 

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Haha. I wish I knew. I didn’t find reading it all , probably would have made it more interesting.
The concept [of] :
Encouraging people to dismiss facts. [Proven]
in itself, is not some harmless....
(Haha ..Thats retarded)
Try figuring out the unproven facts and reasoning in your messages. I think a little tedious work would be good for you.


Also what is a social sickness ?

I have no idea what you're talking about in that first part.

As far as what I refer to as a "social sickness", pushing people to dismiss the truth and replace it with whatever they *want* to believe is how people end up doing stupid shit like shooting up pizza parlors for absurd reasons. False Ideas can spread like diseases, and cause harm just the same.

When people make up their own facts and convince others of them, people react. Sometimes violently. So, it's just better to call out the bullshit when it comes out the bovine booty.
 
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“Today, we have multiple factions putting themselves forward as what Gauchat describes as their own cultural domains, “generating their own knowledge base that is often in conflict with the cultural authority of the scientific community.” Some are religious groups (challenging evolution, for instance). Some are industry groups (as with climate skepticism). Others tilt more to the left (such as those that reject the medical establishment). As varied as these groups are, they are all alike in one way. They all harbor sacred beliefs that they do not consider open to question.

To defend those beliefs, few dismiss the authority of science. They dismiss the authority of the scientific community. People don’t argue back by claiming divine authority anymore. They argue back by claiming to have the truer scientific authority. It can make matters incredibly confusing.”

The Mistrust of Science
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-mistrust-of-science

The Earth being flat has been scientifically proven many times over and more people are getting on board with the science of it every year. The earth has been proven to NOT be spherical many times over as well. Via video evidence, mathematical evidence, photographic evidence, architectural/engineering evidence via plumb bobs, etc. Plane flight evidence the list is practically endless.
THAT is why so many every year know the earth is flat and circular, its 100% verifiable on all levels.

The video footage of the moon landing has been proven to have been faked also many times over.

Its just not ever mentioned in any mainstream sources, that's all.
The science is there, its in, its solid. Just go outside mainstream sources.

From my experience people who are certain of conspiracies are VERY open to new evidence as it arises. In fact the same people also are willing to forgive and move forward if they are found to have been mistaken as well.
I do not see the same flexibility at all in those who accept mainstream science and education. All I see there are insults and aggression at every step and a hard unwillingness to forgive and move forward.

Every single person I now who knows the earth is flat would immediately accept a sphere earth model if there was a single shred of actual science and math to back it up but there is none, as in there is ZERO solid science or experimental evidence for a sphere earth. We are fully familiar with all the claimed "evidence" it has been proven false already via actual first hand experiments.
Every shred of so-called "evidence" people present trying to prove the sphere earth has been shut down and immediately disproven.

All that is happening now today are personal insults towards those who know the earth is flat.
The insults happen because those who believe the earth is a sphere cannot provide any solid evidence that it is and they get pissed that they themselves cannot directly understand the math or science of it.

Practically every single flat earther used to be a sphere earther, that fact is worth noting. At the same time those who know the earth is flat are 100% certain they will have to face the greatest ridicule but are still willing to truck forward.
That fact is also worth noting. People from every walk of life are actively in on the science of it.

Get on board folks, the sooner the better. Don't waste time just accepting what you are told is "science", understand the science for yourselves and experiment to verify the sphere earth claim. You will see the science does not back up the claim.
 

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Haha ... and yeah I agree what’s the message?!

The message is that the people of the world will soon understand WHY we have all been lied to for so long about so many things starting with the globe earth lie as the basis of all the others; which is the very first huge lie ingrained in our minds as they are developing when we are young.

The reasons will fully make sense once the actual facts become mainstream, which they will and are every year, piece by piece. That is why so many people are being brave regarding the flat earth and facing any and all ridicule that is guaranteed to come.
Because we are 100% certain it will eventually be the mainstream view as it is scientifically proven 100%.

There is no doubt about it. Once that happens then and only then will everyone find interest in the Vedic scriptures which explain our true spiritual natures, that will happen because those same texts describe the geography of the flat circular earth and the universe in more detail than any other.

So the masses will finally have certainty of their validity once more.
What was once thought to be mythology by most will once more be accepted wholeheartedly as literal history and hard, irrefutable science

This will happen immediately when the whole world wakes up to the reality and hard science of the earth being flat and circular. Which they will.
Because naturally that fact incites huge numbers of other questions that deserve answers, answers which only the Vedic texts and no others texts provide. You will find any and all other texts stop short regarding certain answers, the Vedas have them all, which is what sets them apart.

Its coming folks, its happening now, get on board so you don't feel duped later.
Don't waste any time and get on top of the research that is current.
 

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Tom Nichols is professor of national security affairs at the U.S. Naval War College and an (unashamed) expert

In his new book, "The Death of Expertise," he argues that low levels of foundational knowledge have mixed with an epidemic of narcissism to make Americans resentful of expertise.

people are more misinformed than uninformed

"At some point we got it in our heads that every opinion is worth the same. I have been criticized for ridiculing that idea. But it is an idea worth ridiculing."


...the internet offers "an apparent shortcut to erudition," one that "allows people to mimic intellectual accomplishment by indulging in an illusion of expertise provided by a limitless supply of facts. Facts, as experts know, are not the same as knowledge or ability.

What does "The Death of Expertise" mean for fact-checkers?
https://www.poynter.org/news/what-does-death-expertise-mean-fact-checkers

HARD PROVABLE SCIENCE: 1
1 of countless proofs the earth is overall flat and NOT spherical.
The proofs will just keep getting posted one after the other. Let's see if any flat earth deniers can post one shred of provable physical evidence that the earth is spherical.

1ST PROOF that the earth is flat and that gravity is NOT in the center of a core but equally distributed over the entire plane surface.

ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING:

FACT Engineers and architects when building or planning huge ass tall skyscrapers do not ever need to calculate the earth's curvature to ensure 100% straight vertical sides to their tall buildings.

If the earth was a sphere, they would absolutely have to calculate that all the way up as the tallest skyscrapers would have to widen as they are built taller. As 4 plum bobs lifted hundreds of feet into the air would all widen from each other the further from the earth's surface they are lifted up IF the earth was actually a sphere. That would lead to the tallest buildings being slightly visually
wider at the top IF they had perfectly straight sides in all four corners.

Feel free to disprove this science. No one has yet to date, not even engineers or scientists.
NONE have scientifically disproven the facts I have just listed above.
If its so easy to disprove, why has no one done it?

The false claim that "the curvature isn't noticed at those heights has also been disproven. As any scientist that is legitimate will confirm that ANY amount of curvature no matter how small down to the millimeter would affect the construction process and have to be calculated AND would be calculatable with even stone age technology. So today it should be especially provable.

There there I have given you science, please feel free to solidly disprove it.
We will be happily awaiting what you find to the contrary.

Typing barbs or insults ain't gonna fly.
I've posted evidence now its your turn. GO
 
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Fair enough. I myself find them annoying, I find them tedious and look at them like a social sickness.

Some are harmless but the concept of encouraging people to dismiss Proven Facts in itself is not.
Ah, but you have no evidence, in and of yourself. that any scientific "fact" is true or false--you palce faith in someone calling themselves a scientist who tells you HE proved it a fact, but there are very few people who know anything themselves. Do you know the Earth is a globe? No, you trust another human being . . . Do you know a lander is right now on Mars? No, you trust another human being . . . A true scientist would never say anything is a "proven fact" until they themselves proved it to themselves . . . Always question all knowledge--if people hadn't, they would still believe the sun revolved around the earth . . . or maybe it does--we just believe what someone else says about that to--lol . . .
 

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Ah, but you have no evidence, in and of yourself. that any scientific "fact" is true or false--you palce faith in someone calling themselves a scientist who tells you HE proved it a fact, but there are very few people who know anything themselves. Do you know the Earth is a globe? No, you trust another human being . . . Do you know a lander is right now on Mars? No, you trust another human being . . . A true scientist would never say anything is a "proven fact" until they themselves proved it to themselves . . . Always question all knowledge--if people hadn't, they would still believe the sun revolved around the earth . . . or maybe it does--we just believe what someone else says about that to--lol . . .

Science.

Doesn't.

Work.

Like.

That.
 
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Actually it does--unless an experiment can be repeated it isn't accepted as fact--therefore, a true scientist doesn't accept anything on faith as "proven" until it is proven to them . . . and even then they hold a part of their brain open to the possibility that all that they know is rubbish if proven so . . .
 

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HARD PROVABLE SCIENCE 2 and 3:

The horizon line ALWAYS remains flat and at EYE LEVEL no matter how high up in a plane you go.
That would be impossible on a sphere, because as we went up the curve however slight would be ever more visible.

and no matter where you are on the oceans, it always remains flat.

Some claim they see the ocean appearing flat, some claim they see it "curved" (no they really don't)
So let's go to standard video and photo, NOT fishtail lenses or specialized cameras.
Let's see what non-eye-biased photo evidence says about it.

What do cameras and videos record?
A completely flat horizon line of the ocean 360 degrees around.

Standard telescopes pointed horizontally verify the same exact thing. A FLAT horizon.
Flat Horizon line at 60 miles which would impossible on a sphere.jpg
 

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Actually it does--unless an experiment can be repeated it isn't accepted as fact--therefore, a true scientist doesn't accept anything on faith as "proven" until it is proven to them . . . and even then they hold a part of their brain open to the possibility that all that they know is rubbish if proven so . . .

Bingo, you have described the exactly healthy scientific skepticism and intellectual honesty of every single person I know who is labeled a "conspiracy theorist" including myself.

A more accurate term people could call us would be "scientific skeptics".
Those of us who do not accept scientific claims as fact unless we ourselves can back them up too with solid experiments.

So I have posted 3 solid pieces of evidence so far.
We'll wait and see if any counter evidence ever arises.

Likely all that will arise is the same old fish tail lens camera views which make everything appear curved anyway, not only the earth.
No hard science or experimental evidence will arise to prove the sphere earth.
I can guarantee it.

Any that is posted will be swiftly disproven very easily.
 

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Science.

Doesn't.

Work.

Like.

That.

Well Tiny P I have been posting scientific, verifiable evidence.
Stuff you can even verify yourself.

If that is not science, feel free to explain to us how science does work.

If it is not based on verifiable experiments, then what is it based on?

You can verify that your standard camera or any standard camera will record the horizon of the ocean as flat. Which would be impossible with the claimed curvature.

Science is NOT just accepting what people who claim to be scientists are saying about their proclaimed areas of expertise. We have to each personally verify their claims.
 

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Actually it does--unless an experiment can be repeated it isn't accepted as fact--therefore, a true scientist doesn't accept anything on faith as "proven" until it is proven to them . . . and even then they hold a part of their brain open to the possibility that all that they know is rubbish if proven so . . .

So every person who speaks of this topic has to be a graduated scientist with credentials and have performed multiple experiments and extended research?

This has been studied at length and has been proven and verified by people who aren't relying on their fuckin camera taking pics of the ocean.

I'm crawling out of this rabbit hole. You guys have fun.
 

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So every person who speaks of this topic has to be a graduated scientist with credentials and have performed multiple experiments and extended research?

This has been studied at length and has been proven and verified by people who aren't relying on their fuckin camera taking pics of the ocean.

I'm crawling out of this rabbit hole. You guys have fun.

Boom, our flat earth evidence wins.
 

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HARD PROVABLE SCIENCE 2 and 3:

The horizon line ALWAYS remains flat and at EYE LEVEL no matter how high up in a plane you go.
That would be impossible on a sphere, because as we went up the curve however slight would be ever more visible.

and no matter where you are on the oceans, it always remains flat.

Some claim they see the ocean appearing flat, some claim they see it "curved" (no they really don't)
So let's go to standard video and photo, NOT fishtail lenses or specialized cameras.
Let's see what non-eye-biased photo evidence says about it.

What do cameras and videos record?
A completely flat horizon line of the ocean 360 degrees around.

Standard telescopes pointed horizontally verify the same exact thing. A FLAT horizon.
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Local born and raised .
Ocean view and my play ground growing up. Absolute certainty: horizon is completely flat ALWAYS. B4ACC0B0-BADE-47C7-8851-75B039EE533C.jpeg
 
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HARD PROVABLE SCIENCE: 1
1 of countless proofs the earth is overall flat and NOT spherical.
The proofs will just keep getting posted one after the other. Let's see if any flat earth deniers can post one shred of provable physical evidence that the earth is spherical.

1ST PROOF that the earth is flat and that gravity is NOT in the center of a core but equally distributed over the entire plane surface.

ARCHITECTURE AND ENGINEERING:

FACT Engineers and architects when building or planning huge ass tall skyscrapers do not ever need to calculate the earth's curvature to ensure 100% straight vertical sides to their tall buildings.

If the earth was a sphere, they would absolutely have to calculate that all the way up as the tallest skyscrapers would have to widen as they are built taller. As 4 plum bobs lifted hundreds of feet into the air would all widen from each other the further from the earth's surface they are lifted up IF the earth was actually a sphere. That would lead to the tallest buildings being slightly visually
wider at the top IF they had perfectly straight sides in all four corners.

Feel free to disprove this science. No one has yet to date, not even engineers or scientists.
NONE have scientifically disproven the facts I have just listed above.
If its so easy to disprove, why has no one done it?

The false claim that "the curvature isn't noticed at those heights has also been disproven. As any scientist that is legitimate will confirm that ANY amount of curvature no matter how small down to the millimeter would affect the construction process and have to be calculated AND would be calculatable with even stone age technology. So today it should be especially provable.

There there I have given you science, please feel free to solidly disprove it.
We will be happily awaiting what you find to the contrary.

Typing barbs or insults ain't gonna fly.
I've posted evidence now its your turn. GO

You haven't posted evidence, you've posted hearsay but I'm interested and would like to read more so could you post links to the evidence you are citing? I've never heard this as a modern theory before. The curve of the earth is so gradual, and the footprint of a building so relatively tiny and constructed in floors that I can't see how the earth's curvature would affect the construction process. But I'd like to read about it.
 
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Bingo, you have described the exactly healthy scientific skepticism and intellectual honesty of every single person I know who is labeled a "conspiracy theorist" including myself.

A more accurate term people could call us would be "scientific skeptics".
Those of us who do not accept scientific claims as fact unless we ourselves can back them up too with solid experiments.

Why Do Many Reasonable People Doubt Science?
We live in an age when all manner of scientific knowledge—from
climate change to vaccinations—faces furious opposition.
Some even have doubts about the moon landing.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/03/science-doubters/achenbach-text
 
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