The "empowered" woman according to lpsg

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This thread.

 

[socalfreak]

I agree with one thing from that OP video. The buck does stop with the woman on pregnancy. Now I'm not letting men off the hook for not having protection. However if the guy forgot, ran out, or just didn't bring protection, then the final decision to still have sex does end with the woman. It does get me irked that most women put this solely on the man's shoulders and blames the man. What happened to no means no? Well you actually have to say no.

Eh....gotta disagree here.
Last time I checked, it takes both parties to conceive a child.
So, just because one of you uses poor judgement, it doesn't take any blame off your shoulders. If you have enough common sense to know there's a risk involved & decide to participate anyway, you're just as liable.

 

[fireman1294]

Eh....gotta disagree here.
Last time I checked, it takes both parties to conceive a child.
So, just because one of you uses poor judgement, it doesn't take any blame off your shoulders. If you have enough common sense to know there's a risk involved & decide to participate anyway, you're just as liable.

Now hold on. I never removed the man from any blame or responsibility once the kid is born, it did take too to make it. Nor did I remove responsibility from the man for not having protection. What I did say was the last and final say so for sex (intercourse) does fall on the woman's shoulders. That's the actual act of my friend. Not the baby it creates. She just like the man know the risks of not using protection. It's her body and she has the final yes or no to the act of sex. So if she says yes knowing it's consensual and unprotected if something happens like an std or pregnancy then she can't dump so blame for being pregnant or diseases on the man. She could have told him no not until we have protection. Once again I was talking the act of and not the financial responsibility for the pregnancy if it happened

 

[socalfreak]

Now hold on. I never removed the man from any blame or responsibility once the kid is born, it did take too to make it. Nor did I remove responsibility from the man for not having protection. What I did say was the last and final say so for sex (intercourse) does fall on the woman's shoulders. That's the actual act of my friend. Not the baby it creates. She just like the man know the risks of not using protection. It's her body and she has the final yes or no to the act of sex. So if she says yes knowing it's consensual and unprotected if something happens like an std or pregnancy then she can't dump so blame for being pregnant or diseases on the man. She could have told him no not until we have protection. Once again I was talking the act of and not the financial responsibility for the pregnancy if it happened

And he can say no as well. He doesn't have a gun pointed at him. Both parties can say no. And the man can also be the final say.

 

[deleted924715]

And he can say no as well. He doesn't have a gun pointed at him. Both parties can say no. And the man can also be the final say.

Exactly! It takes two. I'm absolutely speechless. Who the fuck are these people who view life through this kind of prism? Do I know any? I hope not.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

I notice you haven't re-posted in this thread since you started it @sangheili90 ... I'm curious as to what you have to say to these responses. A lot of good posts in these replies but Brisler pretty much summed up my thoughts to a T.

 

[Tight_N_Juicy]

The MRA path that you've chosen to walk is counterproductive. I can understand that rejection is terrifying and that it can be frustrating not to be able to approach women. The MRA movement is based on that fear and that frustration. When you desperately and obsessively want to possess an object that you can't seem to get a hold of, it's reasonable to make a detailed plan to succeed in obtaining that object (be it a house, a car, a super famicom system, it doesn't matter). The problem is that, because men's right activists can't seem to find love or sex, they've applied this same logic to women, meaning that the entire movement is based on objectification. Because they don't understand what's wrong and refuse to believe that the problem can lie withing themselves, they have to perceive women as some sort of alien species that all think, feel, act and react alike to certain things. That their actions can be figured out by understanding some kind of underlying system on which their every action is based. The idea is that once you understand this system, you can manipulate women into accepting your reactionary world view. In other words, the MRA movement has overlooked the very important fact that women are just human beings. The systems you're looking for doesn't exist. The more you objectify, the more you evaluate women on their "dating value", the more you complain about the world being unfair and oppressive towards you specifically, and the more you refuse to accept that it might be you and not the world or women, the more disabled you will become when it comes to establishing a meaningful relationship.

Listen, all you can do is to live life and do things you enjoy in social settings. Talk to women as the human beings they are, stop thinking about sex and relationships, just live your life. Don't think of women as something that needs to be figured out, stop thinking that any contact with women should be an attempt to get a romantic date, stop thinking that no woman is worth having a friendship with. Quit all the creepiness and just god damn talk to people. If you do this, you will one day befriend a woman. You will gradually come to notice that everything that comes out of her mouth is a solid stream of pure gold. And suddenly you'll notice that you can't stop thinking about her. Not about fucking her or how she will be a perfect stay at home wife for you, but just thinking about the sheer radiance of her presence. And then you'll notice that she smells better than anyone else in the world and one day you will look into her eyes and realize that she's made you feel like no system, no broken code or no solved equation ever could. And in that moment, I promise you that you won't care about her "dating value". It won't matter if she's a single mom, if she's infertile, if she's rich or poor. None of it will matter.

Seriously... THIS^^^

 

[fireman1294]

And once again I said I was not absolving the man of providing protection but saying the woman has final say. I have said this twice now. If all you can do is ignore that while quoting me at the same time then I would love to know what twilight zone universe you live in where definitions of words change when they leave my screen and end up on yours. How does the "the woman in the end has the final say over sex" turn into "it's the woman's fault and to not blame the man at all"

 

[deleted924715]

And once again I said I was not absolving the man of providing protection but saying the woman has final say. I have said this twice now. If all you can do is ignore that while quoting me at the same time then I would love to know what twilight zone universe you live in where definitions of words change when they leave my screen and end up on yours. How does the "the woman in the end has the final say over sex" turn into "it's the woman's fault and to not blame the man at all"

No - either party can say no at any time. A man has the final say when he walks away from a willing female because there is no contraception in play/not established to his satisfaction. Voila! No risk of pregnancy.

 

[950483]

And once again I said I was not absolving the man of providing protection but saying the woman has final say. I have said this twice now. If all you can do is ignore that while quoting me at the same time then I would love to know what twilight zone universe you live in where definitions of words change when they leave my screen and end up on yours. How does the "the woman in the end has the final say over sex" turn into "it's the woman's fault and to not blame the man at all"

You can keep saying the same thing, but you are still wrong.

Once when I was small, I asked my dad where babies came from. He told me that he saved up all his petrol stamps to get me.

I've since discovered that this was a lie.

Basically, if you know that pregnancy happens as a result of sex, you need to be responsible for your own actions. That is why there is an age of consent! To make sure that you are mature enough to make a responsible decision, and that hopefully you will understand the basics by that age.

Now stop being silly.

 

[fireman1294]

If you're going to quote me, then when did I actually say or lead to, "it's not the man's fault" please point that out. I said I was mad at the breed of woman that puts sole blame on the man. I said I never absolved the man of any responsibility. And I never said that the man can't say no if he doesn't have any. What I did say was the woman had the final say. The man could very well say no. Or he could be a sleeze and make up some bullshit and convince her to fuck him anyway. At the end of the decision line is the woman with the final say. But please point out where I said the man wasn't responsible. I did say I'm upset with the ones that put 100 percent of the blame on the man.

 

[TexanStar]

It does get me irked that most women put this solely on the man's shoulders and blames the man..

What are you even talking about?

Setting everything else aside, what imaginary scenario are you talking about here?

 

[TexanStar]

I said I was mad at the breed of woman that puts sole blame on the man.

What "breed of woman" are you talking about? Something you read in a magazine?

 

[deleted924715]

If you're going to quote me, then when did I actually say or lead to, "it's not the man's fault" please point that out. I said I was mad at the breed of woman that puts sole blame on the man. I said I never absolved the man of any responsibility. And I never said that the man can't say no if he doesn't have any. What I did say was the woman had the final say. The man could very well say no. Or he could be a sleeze and make up some bullshit and convince her to fuck him anyway. At the end of the decision line is the woman with the final say. But please point out where I said the man wasn't responsible. I did say I'm upset with the ones that put 100 percent of the blame on the man.

Who are you talking to and who said you said that? You said the woman has the final say - this is not true and it is what people are taking issue with

 

[fireman1294]

This is turning out to be some straight up Jerry Springer Maury Povich type shit. I was upset with the women for mis understanding me and focusing on one sentence and not the whole conversation (just like the demarcates) now I'm upset with myself for trying to re explain the same thing to single minded people and wasting my time I'll never get back. Later all. Enjoy your world of "it's the man's fault and you can do no wrong" I'm going to live some more.

 

[deleted924715]

Jesus fucking Christ

 

[950483]

This is turning out to be some straight up Jerry Springer Maury Povich type shit. I was upset with the women for mis understanding me and focusing on one sentence and not the whole conversation (just like the demarcates) now I'm upset with myself for trying to re explain the same thing to single minded people and wasting my time I'll never get back. Later all. Enjoy your world of "it's the man's fault and you can do no wrong" I'm going to live some more.

Bye then.

 

[TexanStar]

Jesus fucking Christ

lol

 

[someperson]

I notice you haven't re-posted in this thread since you started it @sangheili90 ... I'm curious as to what you have to say to these responses. A lot of good posts in these replies but Brisler pretty much summed up my thoughts to a T.

that is because he is a coward because he knows he is going to get owned once he does post

 

[firsttimecaller]

If you're going to quote me, then when did I actually say or lead to, "it's not the man's fault" please point that out. I said I was mad at the breed of woman that puts sole blame on the man. I said I never absolved the man of any responsibility. And I never said that the man can't say no if he doesn't have any. What I did say was the woman had the final say. The man could very well say no. Or he could be a sleeze and make up some bullshit and convince her to fuck him anyway. At the end of the decision line is the woman with the final say. But please point out where I said the man wasn't responsible. I did say I'm upset with the ones that put 100 percent of the blame on the man.

I agree with you.

It takes 2 to tango, but (barring rape) the woman is the gatekeeper and is the final judge and jury in regards to the commencement of activities.