The English Royals

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BigPoppaFury said:
You just want me to chase after you :tongue:

That'll be the shortest race in English OR American history. Dude? I'm easy.:cool: And I'm a sucker for a fine Englishman... literally.

But all that aside;

I like the intrigue, the lineage, the mystique, the drama. I know it's not terribly "comme il faut" of me to think they're a hoot but I do and I think they add an irreplaceable piece of continuity to the place.

What'd a good look up at Buckingham Palace be without knowing the Queen could possibly be in residence? Just another uninhabited palace.:rolleyes:

Their positions are titular at best...

I say let them be.


And Charles is immensely interested in architectural preservation so he won my heart years ago. I think (by the way) Diana was a monstrous fly in the ointment but she had, at least, the good sense to "check out" while still young, disfunctional, and having given the throne the heir and the spare - (both of whom are quite interesting lads).
 

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eddyabs said:
Hmmm, Stronzo, I remember talking about the Royals with you before....
Diana
Although you never replied........

Yes I think we disagreed on that Spencer girl, yes?

I believe strongly in our Royals, without them Great Britain, that being England,
Wales and Scotland would be bereft of a common history, culture and society. (Northern Ireland which gave us the aka ident 'United Kingdom' in the 1920's is now also incorporated under her Maj's royal realm).

England, Great Britain, Britannia, United Kingdom...whatever you want to call us, we would be stripped of meaning without the Royals. They have travelled with us and as us for almost a thousand years ...(2066 a thousand years since were last invaded)...their dictums and rules founded and formed our Great Isle, and what a history we have!! My particular faves...Elizabeth the First....Henry the Eighth, Victoria...we have an incredible history, awesome in fact, and the majority of the British population would rue the day that the Royals were ever removed.

It is a strange thing...surreal if you like to be actually part of a 'Kingdom', like a fairy tale if you must....there are Princesses, Kings, Princes, Queens, and there are Brother Grimm elements....(Wallis Simpson, Diana, Princess Michael of Kent), but I for one, and I believe for Millions of British, would feel as if we had lost the heart of our nation....if we were to lose the Kingdom.

So...tally-ho...Rule Britannia, jolly hockeysticks and chocks away old boys...dear old Blighty we love you as you are....warm summer days and real ale, beautiful English countryside, cricket and croquet on the lawn, G and T's a plenty, and anyone for tennis?...it's Tickety-Boo, Alrighty!!

Yup yup... all the rest is perfectly fine. **raises his glass**

**aside:

Is it true the late Queen Mother used to tell one of her staff in the afternoon "Will one of you old queens go and get this old queen her gin and tonic"??:tongue:

Either way the tale is lore here in greater Boston and I hope it's true.
 

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eddyabs said:
Stronzo said:
Yes I think we disagreed on that Spencer girl, yes?



Well, we never actually disagreed....you never replied.....but apart from that...*hoists glass*...Chin-Chin old chap....

Sorry luv. I'd have replied (goodness knows...:rolleyes:) had I seen it. But contrary to popular theory I cannot be all places at all times.

Refresh my memory if you like.
 

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Stronzo said:
eddyabs said:
Sorry luv. I'd have replied (goodness knows...:rolleyes:) had I seen it. But contrary to popular theory I cannot be all places at all times.

Refresh my memory if you like.

Darling boy, just click the link....quite simple, unless one has been hoisting the glass once too many?
 

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All this talk of Royals....made me remember....

[FONT=Times New Roman, Lucida Sans, Arial]The Duchess when pouring the tea,
Asked "Do you fart when you pee?"
I replied with some wit,
"Do you belch when you shit?"
And I think that was one up to me....:biggrin1::biggrin1:[/FONT]
 

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Stronzo said:
G and BL pour moi...(bitter lemon)....shall I pour?:wink:

DONE! And keep them coming.:cool: But if you have Bombay it's what I'm most accustomed to.... either way.

Went back and read.

Yes yes I see your point. The girl was so green it was painful. But what on earth is a girl of her caliber and of her background doing without so much as a lesson in etiquette and poise doing being dragged into that skirmish?

Hell. She was a goner from the get-go.

She came into that marriage with a schoolgirl's sensibilities.

Did she mature? Yes. Was she ever really healed from her childhood? No. Do I love that she was the darling of the British and American press? Sure did. Do I think she was interesting to look at? Yes very... But I rather like Camilla and Charles ensemble. Sorry.

But that interview the P of W did toward the end with the Indian fellow (who later came to fame in the Michael Jackson business) was beyond desperate. BASHIR! That's the name. By that time she ought to have known better. She was working her press and her public like a finely tuned instrument.

But what WAS she thinking with that Fayed creature? Goodness. No wonder the Royals got pissy. He was a miscreant.

But I'll give you one thing; she set the rest on their collective arses unlike the "Americanization of Sarah Ferguson" which is beyond reprehensible to me.

How'd I do Englishman?
 

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Stronzo said:
Did she mature? Yes. Was she ever really healed from her childhood? No. Do I love that she was the darling of the British and American press? Sure did. Do I think she was interesting to look at? Yes very... But I rather like Camilla and Charles ensemble. Sorry.


But what WAS she thinking with that Fayed creature? Goodness. No wonder the Royals got pissy. He was a miscreant.



How'd I do Englishman?
Actually, I am rather fond of Camilla myself, I am not part of the 'point the finger brigade'...all is fair in love and war is it not? And as long as Charles is happy, then so am I...rather fond of the old beggar myself, always have been ever since we were notified that Charlie boy likes talking to his plants.

Diana was extremely green, and unsurprisingly so, as she was, lest you forget, but a teenager when she was introduced to the mighty and very very scary Royal Machine. Also, let us not forget that Charles was pressured into marrying a Virgin, which Diana, apparantely, was. He was in love with Camilla when he married Di, but as the heir to the Throne, he was in no way allowed to marry a divorced woman (think back to Edward and Wallis)...another abdication was a definite no-no. And as for Diana, being so, as you say, green, she was in no way privvy to this information.

Moving swiftly on to Fayed, here is where you unsurprisingly (not being a Brit) need some enlightenment. Dodi Al Fayed was the son of Mohammed Al Fayed, the owner of the London store Harrods...abso-fuckin-lutely HATED by the Royals and the Establishment.....Mohammed for years has been trying to gain British Citizenship...not a problem for any rich Billionairre arriving on our shores, but to this day he has applied again and again and has had no success.....now he has given up. This all began with the Tiny Rowland affair...(google it)...so when Diana started to date the son of Mohammed, this was seen as a MAJOR slap on the face of the Royal Family...call it revenge if you will....and who could blame her...hoodwinked into believing that Charlie loved her, bearing two untainted heirs to the Throne, (which Camilla bless her soul could never have provided being a tainted lady in the eyes of the Church of England...), she took her ultimate revenge....perhaps. Nonetheless, when she died early on into her affair with Dodi, fuel for conspiracy theorums were ad infinitum old boy....and unsurprisingly so.

So you see, there's a whole lot more to the story than some dim woman dating an arab.....one needs to know more than hearsay and idle fact to avoid misconceptions....ya?
 

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A few points for you to consider.

The Queen Mum was Babe Britannia and retained a sparkle in her eye to the year she died.

Mr. El Fayed, apart from having a very small penis is Egyptian and was the sugar daddy anti-establishment figure who offered Diana the prospect of financial freedom - not lost on her.

Oh and if you ever meet Princess Anne, you may notice if you are that way inclined that she also is rather sexy - strange but true.
 

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Lordpendragon said:
A few points for you to consider.

The Queen Mum was Babe Britannia and retained a sparkle in her eye to the year she died.

Mr. El Fayed, apart from having a very small penis is Egyptian and was the sugar daddy anti-establishment figure who offered Diana the prospect of financial freedom - not lost on her.

Yes, quite right old boy...and also....Dodi was a muslim...rather like swallowing raw sewage for the Establishment....
 

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eddyabs said:
Moving swiftly on to Fayed, here is where you unsurprisingly (not being a Brit) need some enlightenment. Dodi Al Fayed was the son of Mohammed Al Fayed, the owner of the London store Harrods...abso-fuckin-lutely HATED by the Royals and the Establishment.....Mohammed for years has been trying to gain British Citizenship...not a problem for any rich Billionairre arriving on our shores, but to this day he has applied again and again and has had no success.....now he has given up. This all began with the Tiny Rowland affair...(google it)...so when Diana started to date the son of Mohammed, this was seen as a MAJOR slap on the face of the Royal Family...call it revenge if you will....and who could blame her...hoodwinked into believing that Charlie loved her, bearing two untainted heirs to the Throne, (which Camilla bless her soul could never have provided being a tainted lady in the eyes of the Church of England...), she took her ultimate revenge....perhaps. Nonetheless, when she died early on into her affair with Dodi, fuel for conspiracy theorums were ad infinitum old boy....and unsurprisingly so.

Enlightenment unnecessary. I know the family's history at least as much as you've cited here. You come off as too much of an apologist for Diana for me. And her tedious brother's angry pronouncement at Westminster Abbey... that and Sir Elton ... I mean really. It bordered on English kitsch.

And I have no conspiracy theories. I say simply that Diana was exhibiting once again her exceedingly poor judgment.

I think she could have managed things after a bit but she dug in her schoolgirl heels early-on and became the resident brat even into her days on her own at Kensington. She was as unstable as a three-legged chair.

Diana, had she a thoughtful brain in her head, ought to have chosen better in her playmates and that playboy Dodi Fayed (the "El" is an affectation) was nothing but a thumbing of her Spencer nose at that 'Royal Machine' you reference. Bad plan.

By that time she knew the rules and she was beginning to look as culpable as those to whom she would have assigned blame in her doe-eyed "there were three in that marriage" sentiments to Bashir. She was no one's innocent by then.

So you see, there's a whole lot more to the story than some dim woman dating an arab.....one needs to know more than hearsay and idle fact to avoid misconceptions....ya?

I know more than hearsay. I simply have an opinion of the late P of W to which you take exception.

As we Yanks say "it's all good".:wink:
 

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Stronzo said:
Enlightenment unnecessary. I know the family's history at least as much as you've cited here.

And I have no conspiracy theories. I say simply that Diana was exhibiting once again her exceedingly poor judgment.


Diana, had she a thoughtful brain in her head, ought to have chosen better in her playmates and that playboy Dodi Fayed (the "El" is an affectation) was nothing but a thumbing of her Spencer nose at that 'Royal Machine' you reference. Bad plan.

By that time she knew the rules and she was beginning to look as culpable as those to whom she would have assigned blame in her doe-eyed "there were three in that marriage" sentiments to Bashir. She was no one's innocent by then.

I know more than hearsay. I simply have have an opinion of the late P of W with which you take exception.

As we Yanks say "it's all good".:wink:

Stronzo old boy, on no account do I apologise for anybody, that is clear for anyone who reads back in these posts...to point an accusation that is unfounded is an admission of intellectual weakness.

Apart from that, in your earlier post, you made no notion of the fact that Diana was dating the son of Mohammed Al Fayed (the 'Al' being the Anglacisation of the true birth name 'Mohamed Abdel Moneim Fayed' and the same with Dodi's name, very common to anglacise foreign names here in England...although again..you would not know this, not being a Brit)....and it is my belief, although you will undoubtedly protest, that you didn't have a clue before I made it clear to you....it is very easy to cover one's tracks is it not?

I feel that it is pointless in carrying on this discussion with you, as from your last post it seems that it will undoubtedly decay into a slanging match of which I want or feel no part....to be honest in ones postings is of absolute importance to me, you will not see me using this format as an easy way to backtrack and lie....one is not surprised that you were banned before.

Again, I desist...enough said....Chin-chin!!
 

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Yes. But you don't get to do a final "drive-by shitting" and say the "hadn't a clue" thingy and say "chin chin". Bad form that.

I think you're right. As I've stated to you elsewhere I think we're pretty much in agreement generally about the English Royal family.

And trust me I did "have a clue" which (and I'll say only this once) was more than a trifle condescending on your part. Perhaps you need to rethink your view of all American "yahoos" before you put us all into that same compost heap of yours.

It's that very sort of sentiment which puts me in a pervasive position of having to defend my affections for Europeans generally here in the States. Please do not assume anything too readily I'd caution you.

You'll find you come across as condescending where no condescension is deserved.


Further, I'll match you European nobility person for person if you'd like to go a round or two. I know my share and I'll trust one European aristo friend's information over some English "dude" on an internet message board anyday.

That said, I've finished my drink.

Perhaps Diana was attracted to Fayed since she was one sixteenth Armenian through her mother's people... or didn't you know? :33:

you will not see me using this format as an easy way to backtrack and lie....one is not surprised that you were banned before.

Wow. You play dirty.