The English Royals

[Lordpendragon]

You may find them just as ridiculous as I do undergraduate politics, but if neither is doing anyone any harm, what is the problem?

If I was faced with the prospect of Paul Keating as President or the Queen as a benign Head of State, I would be with Liz.

 

[DaveyR]

The royal family, yeah well apart from being the richest woman in the world the queen does a great deal of harm to this country by perpetuating the myth that we all live in a perpetual london fog,spend all day cleaning chimneys with a dick vandyke accent and popping in and out of each others houses for a nice cup of tea and a sit down and we all run round saying to each other' the queen mom didn't just love her gin soaked wooden teeth'

Would you like to eloborate on how the Queen perpetuates theses myths (I would call them stereotypes)?

Unlike most of the Royal family the Queen has exemplary in her behaviour throughout her 54 year Reign.

 

[Lordpendragon]

Would you like to eloborate on how the Queen perpetuates theses myths (I would call them stereotypes)?

Unlike most of the Royal family the Queen has exemplary in her behaviour throughout her 54 year Reign.

Anyone who believes these so called "myths" is such a retard that we shouldn't bother with their opinion.

QE II is the most respected of any world leader - care to offer a challenger anyone.

Princess Anne actually still does more appointments than anyone else I think Dave. Also those many who have benefited from the Prince's Trust would give Charles a good call.

This generation of Royals has been under the microscope like no others - and guess what? they have character flaws - gosh.

 

[DaveyR]

Anyone who believes these so called "myths" is such a retard that we shouldn't bother with their opinion.

QE II is the most respected of any world leader - care to offer a challenger anyone.

Princess Anne actually still does more appointments than anyone else I think Dave. Also those many who have benefited from the Prince's Trust would give Charles a good call.

This generation of Royals has been under the microscope like no others - and guess what? they have character flaws - gosh.

I agree with you wholeheartedly LP.

They do have character flaws like everyone however the World's Press stalk every one of them day and night resulting in every minor (questionable)misdemeanor being blown out of proportion.

 

[hot-rod]

I think we have a lot of "queens" on this post also - including myself.:tongue:

Yes, and nobody made us queens, we were born queens

 

[hot-rod]

DONE! And keep them coming. But if you have Bombay it's what I'm most accustomed to.... either way.

Went back and read.

Yes yes I see your point. The girl was so green it was painful. But what on earth is a girl of her caliber and of her background doing without so much as a lesson in etiquette and poise doing being dragged into that skirmish?

Hell. She was a goner from the get-go.

She came into that marriage with a schoolgirl's sensibilities.

Did she mature? Yes. Was she ever really healed from her childhood? No. Do I love that she was the darling of the British and American press? Sure did. Do I think she was interesting to look at? Yes very... But I rather like Camilla and Charles ensemble. Sorry.

But that interview the P of W did toward the end with the Indian fellow (who later came to fame in the Michael Jackson business) was beyond desperate. BASHIR! That's the name. By that time she ought to have known better. She was working her press and her public like a finely tuned instrument.

But what WAS she thinking with that Fayed creature? Goodness. No wonder the Royals got pissy. He was a miscreant.

But I'll give you one thing; she set the rest on their collective arses unlike the "Americanization of Sarah Ferguson" which is beyond reprehensible to me.

How'd I do Englishman?

Long live Princess Diana. She had more style and natural grace than anyone who wears a crown today or probably ever will. She was bumped off so Charlene could marry the old mare and not turn the church upside down.

 

[hot-rod]

When it comes to Americans talking about History and British culture I'm afraid I cannot take things seriously due to an experience I had in Edinburgh a couple of years ago. I know one should not generalise but this experience had a huge effect on how I view US citizens.

I was working in in Edinburgh and was walking back to my hotel after work through the Princess street gardens which overlook the castle. I overheard an American lady say to her husband - " Isn't it wonderful how they built the castle right next to the railway tracks".

I really wanted to run over and say hey lady " The castle was built more than 1000 years before locomotives were even dreamt of". I decided to leave her in her ignorance.

Perhaps you will understand why I refuse to listen seriously when Americans express opinions on ancient British Institutions.and our History. I don't mean to come acroos as derogatory I just feel our cultures make us think differently and have very different outloks on the world.

I say long live the British. At least their people didn't elect an idiot for it's leader like these morons in America, not once but twice. From now on the American people will be hated and looked down on till the end of time.

 

[DaveyR]

I say long live the British. At least their people didn't elect an idiot for it's leader like these morons in America, not once but twice. From now on the American people will be hated and looked down on till the end of time.

Sorry I cannot agree with your quote I was saying that IMO I find them insular when when it comes to other Countries and their cultures.

 

[novice_btm]

Yes, I'm bemused that JeremyA thinks anyone will find any truth in a word he says so long as he has the patently fake picture on his profile.

Since that picture was discussed on the following thread:
---> http://www.lpsg.org/adult-websites/20267-tristan-s-12-incher.html

...one can tell from the link on the opening post that the image dates from at least as early as April 2002, when JeremyA would have been about 15. Ergo, if he wishes us to believe it's his pic, then we need to assume that he is actively distributing material that must be classified as 'child porn'.

Also, see http://www.lpsg.org/et-cetera-et-cetera/31494-a-moral-lpsg-dilemna.html post #7, and the attached pic, showing the obvious pattern repetition, and the pixel-for-pixel matches of either a pasting, or a Photoshop cloning tool.

 

[Honey Honoria]

Gotta love the political articles here...

Anyways, this is a bit unrelated to the conversation, but I find that, if the people saying that the royals for the most part fund themselves are telling the truth, then why not keep them? The English Royals are among the most famous people in the world, and add a whole new level of culture to England and many other countries in the commonwealth. Heck, if it weren't Queen Victoria, people would have no real reason to wear a white formal gown at their wedding.

Besides, here in Canada if it weren't for Lizzie, we'd have had to put Jean Chretien's head on our coins for ten years...

I'm not sure I like that idea.

 

[vindicari]

The royal family seems to some to be an anachronism in todays world, but then is not any historical institute? It depends on your attitude to history, on a sense of belonging. On an ideology and belief in what we are, because what we were made us what we are. We have the luxury of free speech, I may not agree with what someone is saying but ill damn well fight for his or her right to say it, otherwise I may not be able to demand the right to say what I want. Countless millions died to maintain our rights, we should not forget, nor detract from what they did for us. The royal family is part and parcel of our history, history is our anchor and our stepping stone to the future. The Queen has frozen the civil list for 10 years at 7.9 million, according to the national audits office the income to the state from royal estates is 130 million pounds. Seems economically prudent to let the old codgers dither away.

 

[headbang8]

If I was faced with the prospect of Paul Keating as President or the Queen as a benign Head of State, I would be with Liz.

Maybe Paul Keating as Queen. There were rumours...

 

[D_Humper E Bogart]

The royal family seems to some to be an anachronism in todays world, but then is not any historical institute? It depends on your attitude to history, on a sense of belonging. On an ideology and belief in what we are, because what we were made us what we are. We have the luxury of free speech, I may not agree with what someone is saying but ill damn well fight for his or her right to say it, otherwise I may not be able to demand the right to say what I want. Countless millions died to maintain our rights, we should not forget, nor detract from what they did for us. The royal family is part and parcel of our history, history is our anchor and our stepping stone to the future. The Queen has frozen the civil list for 10 years at 7.9 million, according to the national audits office the income to the state from royal estates is 130 million pounds. Seems economically prudent to let the old codgers dither away.

Millions will die to save resources and acquire new lands...meh, war is an ends to a means...anyway, I'd love to have some of this "magic money" the Royals are bringing in. Especially when I get £70 a week taken off my wages as tax!

 

[DaveyR]

Millions will die to save resources and acquire new lands...meh, war is an ends to a means...anyway, I'd love to have some of this "magic money" the Royals are bringing in. Especially when I get £70 a week taken off my wages as tax!

You would pay a lot less in tax if the majority of people in the UK worked for a living instead of "working" every scam to scrounge their way through on handouts and benefits. Don't even start me on the millions who enter fraudulently claiming political asylum (after passing through a dozen EU countries to get there) to be housed, clothed and given money had over fist at your expense.

That is where you tax is going - not on the Royal Family.

I was paying more than £20,000 a year in tax. Why do you think I no longer live there?

 

[DaveyR]

You would pay a lot less in tax if the majority of people in the UK worked for a living instead of "working" every scam to scrounge their way through on handouts and benefits. Don't even start me on the millions who enter fraudulently claiming political asylum (after passing through a dozen EU countries to get there) to be housed, clothed and given money had over fist at your expense.

That is where you tax is going - not on the Royal Family.

I was paying more than £20,000 a year in tax. Why do you think I no longer live there?

I was just watching tonight's News. There was a feature on immigration into the UK. The estimate was 750 from Eastern European Countries alone. Just seemed relevant to my post above.

 

[Lordpendragon]

I was just watching tonight's News. There was a feature on immigration into the UK. The estimate was 750 from Eastern European Countries alone. Just seemed relevant to my post above.

Psst, Dave. The Windsors were immigrants.

But seriously - legal immigration is running at around 500,000 per annum as government policy. That's 1% of the population every year. Britain is no doubt going to change quite radically. I imagine it will be an issue at the next election where hopefully we can ban certain immigrants from Scotland.

Only jocking.

 

[DaveyR]

Psst, Dave. The Windsors were immigrants.

But seriously - legal immigration is running at around 500,000 per annum as government policy. That's 1% of the population every year. Britain is no doubt going to change quite radically. I imagine it will be an issue at the next election where hopefully we can ban certain immigrants from Scotland.

Only jocking.

LOL.

I support Legal immigration and people who want to move elsewhere and work for their living. What really pisses me off are those that move into the UK to scrounge and as I said earlier those already there who have no intention of getting off their lazy arses paying their way. This bone idle mentality seems to be becoming more and more the accepted norm in the UK.

I would have no hesitation in reporting a benefit cheat - I have done it before and would do it again. It is theft from taxpayers.

 

[vindicari]

Millions will die to save resources and acquire new lands...meh, war is an ends to a means...anyway, I'd love to have some of this "magic money" the Royals are bringing in. Especially when I get £70 a week taken off my wages as tax![/quote

funnily enough i,d have said war was the means to the end.
if you are paying 70 a week income tax you must be on a good wage, I assume you want a police service, fire service, n.h.s. road system infrastructure, etc. without taxes how would we maintain the civil amenities and civil liberties. who would fund it?

 

[vindicari]

Anyone who believes these so called "myths" is such a retard that we shouldn't bother with their opinion.

QE II is the most respected of any world leader - care to offer a challenger anyone.

Princess Anne actually still does more appointments than anyone else I think Dave. Also those many who have benefited from the Prince's Trust would give Charles a good call.

This generation of Royals has been under the microscope like no others - and guess what? they have character flaws - gosh.

if we dont bother with the retards opinion why should we bother with yours?

 

[Lordpendragon]

if we dont bother with the retards opinion why should we bother with yours?

You don't have to.

If you want to believe that London's cobbled streets are filled with chirpy Cockneys, whistling their way between chimney sweeping jobs, you are perfectly at liberty to do so.

Public expenditure exceeds 40% of GDP in the UK. So the issues is not whether we want public services, but whether the amount of money being taken for them is actually delivering quality or merely a quantity of ultimately unsustainable public sector jobs and index linked pensions.

In the first two terms of the Labour Government, 600,000 jobs were lost in manufacturing and the same amount created in the public sector. That is quite a shift from primary to tertiary industry.