The Execution of Gary Glitter

[Yorkie]

Quite the provocative thread title? Did they spoof this because he's a child molester? I saw him on the street here one day yeeeeeeears ago and he was odd even then. Can someone explain the premise of this show besides the thread title?

There's a synopsis here :

The Execution of Gary Glitter - The Execution of Gary Glitter - Channel 4

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

There's a synopsis here :

The Execution of Gary Glitter - The Execution of Gary Glitter - Channel 4

After reading that I think they probably should have used one of the actual child murders to state their case instead of a molester like Glitter.

 

[jason_els]

Spiteful much?

Only when given ample reason.

 

[nudeyorker]

Not worth the effort.

But the next time I ever hear a Brit complain about America's expansive culture I'm going to throw shit like this right back at them. I'm still waiting like a spider for a Frenchie to say anything about the US now that they're allowing a McDonald's in the Louvre.

I don't like it either, but people sale what people want if they are good businessmen. I have not been to the Louvre in years and I can only conclude that their customers are big fat white haole tourists.

 

[Bbucko]

*speechless*

I'm amazed you hadn't heard :wink:

Not worth the effort.

But the next time I ever hear a Brit complain about America's expansive culture I'm going to throw shit like this right back at them. I'm still waiting like a spider for a Frenchie to say anything about the US now that they're allowing a McDonald's in the Louvre.

In my experience your real, hard-core anti-Anglo/Saxon Frenchy doesn't fare too well on Anglophone message boards. There was one on AIDSmeds who was banned after claiming to have uncovered a partisan pro-Israel Jewish "cabal" there :tongue:

It ended poorly.

 

[HazelGod]

I hope it becomes available on this side of the pond. I would like to see it.

If the subject interests you, check out The Life of David Gale.

 

[jason_els]

In my experience your real, hard-core anti-Anglo/Saxon Frenchy doesn't fare too well on Anglophone message boards. There was one on AIDSmeds who was banned after claiming to have uncovered a partisan pro-Israel Jewish "cabal" there :tongue:

It ended poorly.

I'm not anti-anyone. I am anti-bad memes and that's one that pops-up from time to time.

 

[Drifterwood]

It also pisses me off when I can't access BBC stuff when I am out of the UK (which is quite a lot), because I actually pay for it in the first place.

Anyway, I half watched the Drama. There was a small matter of another poor Liverpool performance overlapping.

Paul Gadd's original conviction for online child porn and child porn storage on computer could not have happened today because his files were (now) illegally accessed by maintenance staff at a shop. I do not know what level of child pornography he indulged in, I do believe that there is a difference, rather like with narcotics, and I seem to remember that he had problems in the 70's with Jailbait teen fans.

Having been to Vietnam, I can tell you that the bribe required to become a Police Officer is $10,000. This is an incredible amount of money there. Given that the alleged victim's uncle is a local Police Officer, I would have to give credible doubt to the allegations being completely true rather than a sting attempt at a famous rich person with known previous. A lack of local knowledge makes it very difficult for people 7000 miles away to try a case reliably IMO.

Having said that, I suppose the drama was about whether we should reintroduce the death penalty for "monsters". I have been against the death penalty for what seem to me very simple ethical reasons since I was maybe 15. Actually I can trace it back to the first time that I studied Socrates properly. Eye for an eye, murder for murder, makes no sense and reduces the law to the level of the perpetrator. Perhaps worse.

There are many other good reasons for not killing people, mistakes and a known lack of deterrent being just two. However I don't personally need any other reason than my first.

It is such a basic principle to me that I will not live in a country that has the death penalty.

 

[Ozlighthouse]

I have been against the death penalty for what seem to me very simple ethical reasons since I was maybe 15. Actually I can trace it back to the first time that I studied Socrates properly. Eye for an eye, murder for murder, makes no sense and reduces the law to the level of the perpetrator. Perhaps worse.

I agree with the principle you have stated about the vice of retribution being a factor in a justice system. Unfortunately, to many people this is their idea of justice. Increasingly through their elected principle-less politicians, it is becoming more influential in the decisions of the judiciary. In the U.S. with judges and prosecutors being elected on a local level, it has even more influence because these representative's futures depend on satisfying the blood lust of their constituents. All very true and bad IMO - the gulf between the theory of a legal system and its actual practise.

HOWEVER, I am curious that you cite Socrates on the issue. He made no real objection to his own execution. In fact, he seemed to welcome the event. There may be more than one rationale for execution, apart from blood lust revenge. Personally, I'd have no problem with the idea of executions if the person to be executed agreed with the sentence or confessed to the crime. As someone stated above, there are too many wrongful convictions, or convictions where there may have been some cirminality but the exact facts are only guessed at, often being exagerrated by the State to secure a conviction, to feel safe with any sentence which is irreversible or permanent.

 

[D_Kissimmee Coldsore]

Channel 4 is a commercial channel.They don't get any money from the BBC licence fee.
It won't be online outside the UK for copyright reasons.

What I meant was a public service broadcaster. Sorry.

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

Only when given ample reason.

And you consider this to be ample reason? to be honest if you complained to me about not being able to get channel 4 in the US as an insult id laugh. It's a British broadcaster afterall.

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

i finished wztching it the other day, and i found the hanging scene really destressing. i think that if its brought back then the victems family should pull the lever. see if they can live with being as bad as the person they are hanging

 

[D_Cock_Hudson]

Gary Glitter's victims face a lifetime of pain. So should he.

 

[Scot22]

Full life imprisonment for serious crimes?----yes.
Execution/state sponsored murder?---------no.

Some individuals are barbaric,but all nations should avoid barbarism.

 

[jason_els]

And you consider this to be ample reason? to be honest if you complained to me about not being able to get channel 4 in the US as an insult id laugh. It's a British broadcaster afterall.

Not this alone, certainly.

It's difficult to hear about the degeneracy and ubiquity of American programing while simultaneously hearing about how much better British programing is and then being given no opportunity to see it legally.

"Do they show it over there?"
"No, they don't."
"American broadcasters probably think Americans are too stupid to get it."
To which I can reply...
"No, your BBC won't allow it to be viewed anywhere outside the UK until it's old and stale."

British programing is, largely, better than ours. It just peeves me that the BBC has no desire to enlighten the world as if we here in the colonies aren't worth the effort. Here in the US we got, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone because they didn't think anyone would understand the title if it said, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. It was presumptuous and patronizing move on Bloomsbury's part and seems to mirror an attitude found in other sectors of British society regarding American brain power. It's rather like when libraries restrict information access to only certain people with certain backgrounds.

And for what it's worth, I do not support the death penalty at all despite believing there are people who deserve it.

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

to be fair, i think that of some of your shows you get. would americans know who glitter is? its way before my time to know

 

[whatireallywant]

Not this alone, certainly.

It's difficult to hear about the degeneracy and ubiquity of American programing while simultaneously hearing about how much better British programing is and then being given no opportunity to see it legally.

"Do they show it over there?"
"No, they don't."
"American broadcasters probably think Americans are too stupid to get it."
To which I can reply...
"No, your BBC won't allow it to be viewed anywhere outside the UK until it's old and stale."

British programing is, largely, better than ours. It just peeves me that the BBC has no desire to enlighten the world as if we here in the colonies aren't worth the effort. Here in the US we got, Harry Potter and the Sorceror's Stone because they didn't think anyone would understand the title if it said, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone. It was presumptuous and patronizing move on Bloomsbury's part and seems to mirror an attitude found in other sectors of British society regarding American brain power. It's rather like when libraries restrict information access to only certain people with certain backgrounds.

And for what it's worth, I do not support the death penalty at all despite believing there are people who deserve it.

I thought of that too about changing the title of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone to Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone in the US. Maybe too many Americans can't pronounce the word "philosopher" or know what it means. :biggrin1: (And remember, I'm an American...)

I think someone earlier mirrored my views on the death penalty. Too many times (and really, just one time is one time too many!), the wrong person gets executed. If someone is sent to prison and later evidence proves that they're innocent, they can be released. But if they're executed and later evidence proves that they're innocent, there's not a thing anyone can do.

to be fair, i think that of some of your shows you get. would americans know who glitter is? its way before my time to know

I know who Gary Glitter is. You still hear "Rock n' Roll Part 2" at athletic events here sometimes.

 

[Drifterwood]

IHOWEVER, I am curious that you cite Socrates on the issue. He made no real objection to his own execution. In fact, he seemed to welcome the event. There may be more than one rationale for execution, apart from blood lust revenge.

I was thinking of the Thrasymachus debate. Murdering someone for murdering someone is completely illogical. I can see the Socratic dialectic rolling out in my head.

Regarding his own death, how Plato presents it, I think that there is a difference between accepting what has been decided and wanting that in the first place.

 

[Scot22]

I'm completely puzzled and mystified why the BBC,and others repeatedly do this.
Perhaps some of the motives voiced above are indeed true.
I love America,and all it's diverse cultures.

All the Best,
From 'Bonnie Scotland', UK.

 

[Northland]

to be fair, i think that of some of your shows you get. would americans know who glitter is? its way before my time to know

He's been a media topic sprouting up every so often especially since his initial sex charges. News rags, magazines and television such as Inside Edition, (Lack of) Entertainment Tonight and other shows enjoy putting these sorts up in the spotlight- after all, sex, even illegal or disgusting sex acts, is still sex, and sex sells when it comes to ratings.

I know who Gary Glitter is. You still hear "Rock n' Roll Part 2" at athletic events here sometimes.

Yes, and that alone would be reason to execute him.
YouTube - Gary Glitter - Rock'n Roll Part 2 1972

a truly horrible horrible 'music' item which never should have made it to the charts to begin with.

Aside from Rock 'n Roll Part 2, I've heard the mutterings about GG for the past several years and have listened, watched and read about it with as little enthusiasm as a moose in the filed would have for that Palin woman.