The "friend zone" (kinda long)

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I think she's confused. Just keep doing what your doing. Be her friend if there is more to it then there is and she will figure it out. When your in the friend zone some women, myself included may not "go there" with their thoughts. You've put an idea into her head and it sounds to me like she's trying to figure out if she likes it.
 

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I think she's confused. Just keep doing what your doing. Be her friend if there is more to it then there is and she will figure it out. When your in the friend zone some women, myself included may not "go there" with their thoughts. You've put an idea into her head and it sounds to me like she's trying to figure out if she likes it.

I reckon submissivegirl's on the money here.



I've been playing alpha male all along and she seems to get off on it. I've recently gotten this odd.. huge boost of confidence, self worth and self determination. I've decided that I'll get her and that I'm just counting down the days (I told her that when she first rejected me too). It's pretty funny, I'm kinda playing with her.. 'you know you're turned on by my confidence', which she readily admits with a grin on her face. All cheesy lines, but all from the heart.

Weird how things go. I'll give it another week or two.


I'm loving your attitude here. It sounds like she likes it too. Keep going the way you're going and it sounds like it will work out for you.
 

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I think she's confused. Just keep doing what your doing. Be her friend if there is more to it then there is and she will figure it out. When your in the friend zone some women, myself included may not "go there" with their thoughts. You've put an idea into her head and it sounds to me like she's trying to figure out if she likes it.

Exactly what I've been thinking. Right now I'm just enjoying the chase and the little mind games we play to obtain dominance. Haven't had that much fun in ages.

I'm loving your attitude here. It sounds like she likes it too. Keep going the way you're going and it sounds like it will work out for you.

One can hope! There's stuff at stake here, but I'm not fuzzed. We'll share a tent at a festival in 3 weeks and we're both reaally not shy about being naked in front of each other. That'll be fun. I know she's apprehensive but I'm a good guy and she knows that and she's called me her soulmate before. I'm still with both feet on the ground, but I'll just hang in there.

Thanks for the replies. :)
 

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Odd. She's having a splitting headache so she's bailing on our semi-plans for tonight..... though she's going to a company barbecue (which she said she can just as easily cancel). Things seemed fishy when I talked to her on the phone this morning and this isn't helping. Left her a voice messages asking if she's alright and if anything's up. I'll wait it out.
 

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Such an insane almost 3 months these have been. Our friendship is currently in ruins but it's going to be fine again sooner than later. Do I regret anything? No. It's a long, loong post, mostly for myself but any post is welcome. For the first one and a half years that I've known her she was absolutely incapable of giving me compliments and every time one accidentally slipped, she took it back and when people asked about me and some of my positive character traits, she denied I even had them. When we took drugs together for the first time, things were finally going fine. We were honest and open and bonding and we were finally moving in a decent territory. Still some closed-offness but fine. We grew closer and she was finally able to give me some compliments early this year. Yeah, we grew even more close but oddly, the only thing I had was the KNOWLEDGE that I mean a lot to her, not the feeling, the knowledge. She was incapable of showing that she was happy to be around me. It sucked but you know..., it's fine to suffer 'a little bit' when people give you so much positivity as well. And I mean, I'm right, she does work her ass off for me. She also stuck to me like a motherfucker when my dad died. As we grew closer, the only thing still lacking in was her inability to show that she's happy to see me. We discussed it and she said that it bothers her as well and totally sees it and has been working on it for a longer time. Why all this? Because this is at the complete basis of our problem. She's said that I evoke a lot of emotions in her, very strong emotions and she kinda tries to distance herself from them. Anyway, during our MDMA trip this summer I mentioned all the stuff I mentioned in this thread.. the whole romantic feelings thing, the gray area, etc. She nodded in agreement silenetly and... that was it. But that's where it essentially went all wrong. I shouldn't have talked about it. I blame the drugs, because I get in such a relaxed atmosphere where I say things I normally wouldn't say because at the time, it feels 'right', but the reason I made the thread back then was because I had this huge ass issue on my shoulders and I had no idea what to do with it because I knew that at this time, talking about it it, would 'cause problems. I KNEW it was too soon, I was completely and utterly aware of it. I knew she wouldn't be capable of dealing with it right now given our situation. I was right. On the night I described a few posts back we were so flirty, playing fun games, getting all touchy and intimate. On her way back (when we hadn't even discussed the problem of her not being able to show she enjoys being around me) she had such a huge smile on her face, was very giddy and spontaneously said what a great night it was. I thought the cat was in the bag. Boy was I wrong. The next time I saw her she was distant, had a blank look on her face. Completely emotionally closed off. When I took her home she nonchalantly told me she was going to Amsterdam on the Saturday after. I asked what for and she told me she was gonna see the dude she almost fucked a month prior to that in Greece (before all this shit happened, though). Funnily enough, she didn't fuck him because he couldn't get it up. I have no idea what happened in Amsterdam and I don't care, though. I was quite devastated. Things kinda got out of hand and she wanted to take 'a break'. Well, we were going to a festival 2 weeks later so I said 'fuck that'. The day before we left to the festival we said that we love each other (..weird timing, I fucking know), the only emotional moment we shared on a rainy day where she completely removed herself emotionally from me, though at that time she was visibly happy. On our way to the festival I tried to sleep, but couldn't (fucking trains) so I asked if I could use her shoulder and she refused with some lame excuse. I didn't bother with it so I just stayed up. Later in the bus she started talking about the 'gray area' and said that it's 'as good as gone', I said that it isn't and she's said 'to me it is, I'm distancing myself from you.. hence why you couldn't sleep on my shoulder'. Great start of the festival, ugh. That night I did MDMA while lying on her lap and stuff came out that shouldn't have. The day after I woke up feeling depressed (exhausted by the MDMA) and things were awful between us. On the second night we had our first talk. I told her that what bothered me wasn't the distance she was taking, but she just took it from one day to another without talking to me about it, 'cause we had a great time the night before she did and she agreed. Turns out.... that I 'evoke a lot of emotions in her' and that became a bit too much for her to handle so she completely closed off. Frustration. Things have been in ruins since. We left to the festival a month ago and had two breaks that each lasted more than a week since. I bought her a little bracelet just to remind her that I'm still there and wanted to give it to her on the day we were supposed to see each other again, but she said on the phone that she still needed more time. I told her about the bracelet and she was like 'aww shit'. We talked and apparantly things weren't going well. She thought she may be bipolar (and she and I are almost the EXACT same person and I'm actually being checked for minor depression right now) and she's been having lots of issues at home. So it's good that we chilled and I was glad that she could FINALLY admit to herself that something was up and she was in the process of writing a long-ass letter to me trying to explain how she feels about me and the situation and why she has trouble opening up, even though she wants ('cause I'm that only person she can't open up to). I organize a breakcore party in my city and this edition was in collaboration with a regional multimedia, arts and music festival. This would be the first time that I'd see her again. We briefly talked the night before and she went cold again, not being able to share anything with me and she's started to take getting professional help less seriously (argh!!). When I finally got her out of the crowd I signaled her to come towards me and she refused, I signaled again and she refused.. I signaled one last time and again she didn't come so I was like 'right, fuck it' and sorta threw the box with the bracelet to the floor, which she still managed to catch in time. Bad move of me, but I was way too in the moment. The day after she came to the day of the festival that I co-hosted. I had the fucking time of my life, chilling with some of my favorite musicians in the breakcore and edm scene. She seemed to have a great time too, but we were avoiding each other. We talked about it the day after and we're taking yet ANOTHER break. She lost 10 pounds these past few weeks and nights of sleep because of how much she worries about us. I went out last Saturday and an ex of mine was working at the venue so I was like 'why the fuck not?'. I asked 'look, you had to deal with me when I was mad complicated and shit didn't really work out, it's all good now, but I'm going through same thing seeing as R. is the exact same person I am, what would you have done differently with me looking back?' Her answer was 'I would have been more patient'. My jaw dropped to the floor and everything answered itself. I knew all along that it wasn't the time yet to talk to her about the gray area (hence this thread). I knew I had to be patient because she couldn't handle it. I even said that out loud to myself before the drama started and I mentioned it to her. She's exactly like me, but about 2.5 years younger. I have a lot of learning to do, but she does even more so. She's 19. She doesn't know what she wants and I know that. I always let her make her mistakes because I knew she would learn things from them and she would be fine if I gave her time to learn from them. And I knew before I accepted my feelings for her that she sucks at picking boyfriends because she always picks guys she could 'control' or at least keep at an arm's length at her choosing. I once mentioned that to her and she burst out laughing admitting that 'well, when I broke up with my ex, I did it when I felt like I lost all control and oversight', but she's still in the mindset and I knew that and I shouldn't have started talking about 'our gray area', it's something she can't emotionally handle at this point which I was fully aware of. You know, I blame the drugs for telling her too soon, but take full responsibility for the consequences. The fact that I was bothered by the grayness was my issue and I unwillingly projected it on her. However, I won't ever accept her just suddenly being cold and distant to me ever again. Issues friends or lovers have with each other should be talked about, how hard it may be and then I would've accepted the distance for what it was. Some problems go away when you ignore them, but issues with other people never do, because someone else will always get hurt by them. It was hard for me to keep my issue myself, but I tried and I failed. She didn't even try to talk to me and that's regretful. I forgave her, but I hope she's learned that she can't do that again. I don't know. Right now I'm just glad that I learned a lot. I'll move on from her romantically for the time being, fuck a bunch of girls that are interested in me because I'm a good looking, intelligent and creative guy with an outgoing personality. I deserve my fun and to get my mind off of her. I'm not ready for a relationship yet, but whatever. I'll let her make her mistakes like I always did in the past and things will work out. There'll be a time when things will be better than ever between us and until then I just need to be patient with her and have trust in the fact that things will work out. I'll never get over her and I will take my chance when I actually see it. Words can't express how similar she and I are and how special our bond is. I hate the pain this situation caused me but the pain wouldn't be there if we didn't love each other so much. So..... I've got my closure.
 
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i really wanted to read this but got a splitting headache halfway due to the lack of paragraphs. OUCH!
 

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I made it through, despite the lack of paragraphs.

It sounds like this girl has some serious issues with closeness and emotion. They are probably not her fault. But after reading all that, I think you will only experience pain and heartache if you continue to pursue her. I really think you should just move on, and would have given that advice earlier if I'd realised quite how deep her problems went. It sounds like she's in need of a good friend, but even if the opportunity arises, I think you should be wary of becoming more to her again.
 

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I made it through, despite the lack of paragraphs.

It sounds like this girl has some serious issues with closeness and emotion. They are probably not her fault. But after reading all that, I think you will only experience pain and heartache if you continue to pursue her. I really think you should just move on, and would have given that advice earlier if I'd realised quite how deep her problems went. It sounds like she's in need of a good friend, but even if the opportunity arises, I think you should be wary of becoming more to her again.

Yeah, I'm trying not to make predictions of the future, though I'll probably pursue her again when she's fine. I've already stopped pursuing her romantically some time ago.. though the feelings are still there. Not sure if I can be in a relationship with someone else, though. I'll just try to find a friend with benefits for now and see where I end up.
 

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Yeah, I'm trying not to make predictions of the future, though I'll probably pursue her again when she's fine. I've already stopped pursuing her romantically some time ago.. though the feelings are still there. Not sure if I can be in a relationship with someone else, though. I'll just try to find a friend with benefits for now and see where I end up.


Sounds like the right thing to do to me. You may find that she comes running once it seems you aren't interested any more (you're 'safe' then). Just be really careful if she does - I know hard it can be to resist responding to someone you love, who isn't good for you.
 

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Such an insane almost 3 months these have been.

Our friendship is currently in ruins but it's going to be fine again sooner than later. Do I regret anything? No.

It's a long, loong post, mostly for myself but any post is welcome.

For the first one and a half years that I've known her she was absolutely incapable of giving me compliments and every time one accidentally slipped, she took it back and when people asked about me and some of my positive character traits, she denied I even had them. When we took drugs together for the first time, things were finally going fine. We were honest and open and bonding and we were finally moving in a decent territory. Still some closed-offness but fine. We grew closer and she was finally able to give me some compliments early this year. Yeah, we grew even more close but oddly, the only thing I had was the KNOWLEDGE that I mean a lot to her, not the feeling, the knowledge. She was incapable of showing that she was happy to be around me. It sucked but you know..., it's fine to suffer 'a little bit' when people give you so much positivity as well. And I mean, I'm right, she does work her ass off for me. She also stuck to me like a motherfucker when my dad died. As we grew closer, the only thing still lacking in was her inability to show that she's happy to see me. We discussed it and she said that it bothers her as well and totally sees it and has been working on it for a longer time.

Why all this? Because this is at the complete basis of our problem. She's said that I evoke a lot of emotions in her, very strong emotions and she kinda tries to distance herself from them.

Anyway, during our MDMA trip this summer there was all the stuff I mentioned in this thread.. the whole romantic feelings thing, the gray area, etc. She nodded in agreement silently and... that was it. But that's where it essentially went all wrong. I shouldn't have talked about it. I blame the drugs, because I get in such a relaxed atmosphere where I say things I normally wouldn't say because at the time, it feels 'right', but the reason I made the thread back then was because I had this huge ass issue on my shoulders and I had no idea what to do with it because I knew that at this time, talking about it it, would 'cause problems. I KNEW it was too soon, I was completely and utterly aware of it. I knew she wouldn't be capable of dealing with it right now given our situation. I was right. On the night I described a few posts back we were so flirty, playing fun games, getting all touchy and intimate. On her way back (when we hadn't even discussed the problem of her not being able to show she enjoys being around me) she had such a huge smile on her face, was very giddy and spontaneously said what a great night it was. I thought the cat was in the bag. Boy was I wrong.

The next time I saw her she was distant, had a blank look on her face. Completely emotionally closed off. When I took her home she nonchalantly told me she was going to Amsterdam on the Saturday after. I asked her what for and she told me she was gonna see the dude she almost fucked a month prior to that in Greece (before all this shit happened, though). Funnily enough, she didn't fuck him because he couldn't get it up. I have no idea what happened in Amsterdam and I don't care, though.

I was quite devastated.

Things kinda got out of hand and she wanted to take 'a break'. Well, we were going to a festival 2 weeks later so I said 'fuck that' and told her we had to figure shit out in relation to the festival before we left. The day before we left to the festival we said that we love each other (..weird timing, I fucking know), the only emotional moment we shared on a rainy day where she completely removed herself emotionally from me, though at that time she was visibly happy.

On our way to the festival I tried to sleep, but couldn't (fucking trains) so I asked if I could use her shoulder and she refused with some lame excuse. I didn't bother with it so I just stayed up. Later in the bus she started talking about the 'gray area' and said that it's 'as good as gone', I said that it isn't and she's said 'to me it is, I'm distancing myself from you.. hence why you couldn't sleep on my shoulder'. Great start of the festival, ugh. That night I did MDMA while lying on her lap and stuff came out that shouldn't have. The day after I woke up feeling depressed (exhausted by the MDMA) and things were awful between us. On the second night we had our first talk. I told her that what bothered me wasn't the distance she was taking, but she just took it from one day to another without talking to me about it, 'cause we had a great time the night before she did and she agreed. Turns out.... that I 'evoke a lot of emotions in her' and that became a bit too much for her to handle so she completely closed off.

Frustration.

Things have been in ruins since. We left to the festival a month ago and had two breaks that each lasted more than a week since. I bought her a little bracelet just to remind her that I'm still there and wanted to give it to her on the day we were supposed to see each other again, but she said on the phone that she still needed more time. I told her about the bracelet and she was like 'aww shit'.

We talked and apparently things weren't going well with her. She thought she may be bipolar (and she and I are almost the EXACT same person and I'm actually being checked for manic depression right now) and she's been having lots of issues at home. So it's good that we chilled and I was glad that she could FINALLY admit to herself that something was up and she was in the process of writing a long-ass letter to me trying to explain how she feels about me and the situation and why she has trouble opening up, even though she wants to ('cause I'm that only person she can't open up to).

I organize a breakcore party in my city and this edition was in collaboration with a regional multimedia, arts and music festival. This would be the first time that I'd see her again. We briefly talked the night before and she went cold again, not being able to share anything with me and she's started to take getting professional help less seriously (argh!!). When I finally got her out of the crowd I signaled her to come towards me and she refused, I signaled again and she refused.. I signaled one last time and again she didn't come so I was like 'right, fuck it' and sorta threw the box with the bracelet to the floor, which she still managed to catch in time. Bad move of me, but I was way too in the moment to really give a healthy reaction.

The day after she came to the day of the festival that I co-hosted. I had the fucking time of my life, chilling with some of my favorite musicians in the breakcore and edm scene. She seemed to have a great time too, but we were avoiding each other. We talked about it the day after and we're taking yet ANOTHER break. She lost 10 pounds these past few weeks and nights of sleep because of how much she worries about us.

I went out last Saturday and an ex of mine was working at the venue so I was like 'why the fuck not?'. I asked 'look, you had to deal with me when I was mad complicated and shit didn't really work out, it's all good now, but I'm going through same thing seeing as R. is the exact same person I am, what would you have done differently with me looking back?' Her answer was 'I would have been more patient'.

My jaw dropped to the floor and everything answered itself.

I knew all along that it wasn't the time yet to talk to her about the gray area (hence this thread). I knew I had to be patient because she couldn't handle it. I even said that out loud to myself before the drama started and I mentioned it to her. She's exactly like me, but about 2.5 years younger. I have a lot of learning to do, but she does even more so. She's 19. She doesn't know what she wants and I know that. I always let her make her mistakes because I knew she would learn things from them and she would be fine if I gave her time to learn from them. And I knew before I accepted my feelings for her that she sucks at picking boyfriends because she always picks guys she could 'control' or at least keep at an arm's length at her choosing. I once even mentioned that to her and she burst out laughing admitting that 'well, when I broke up with my ex, I did it when I felt like I lost all control and oversight', but she's still in the mindset and I knew that and I shouldn't have started talking about 'our gray area', it's something she can't emotionally handle at this point which I was fully aware of.

You know, I blame the drugs for telling her too soon, but take full responsibility for the consequences. The fact that I was bothered by the grayness was my issue and I unwillingly projected it on her. However, I won't ever accept her just suddenly being cold and distant to me ever again. Issues friends or lovers have with each other should be talked about, how hard it may be and I would've accepted the distance for what it was had she approached me with it in caution.

Some problems go away when you ignore them, but issues with other people never do, because someone else will always get hurt by them. It was hard for me to keep my issue myself, but I tried and I failed. She didn't even try to talk to me and that's regretful, but I forgave her,though I hope she's learned that she can't do that again.

I don't know. Right now I'm just glad that I learned a lot. I'll move on from her romantically for the time being, fuck a bunch of girls that are interested in me because I'm a good looking, intelligent and creative guy with an outgoing personality. I deserve my fun and to get my mind off of her. I'm not ready for a relationship yet, but whatever. I'll let her make her mistakes like I always did in the past and things will work out. There'll be a time when things will be better than ever between us and until then I just need to be patient with her and have trust in the fact that things will work out. I'll never get over her and I will take my chance when I actually see it.

Words can't express how similar she and I are and how special our bond is. I hate the pain this situation caused me but the pain wouldn't be there if we didn't love each other so much. So..... I've got my closure.

With paragraphs.

Sounds like the right thing to do to me. You may find that she comes running once it seems you aren't interested any more (you're 'safe' then). Just be really careful if she does - I know hard it can be to resist responding to someone you love, who isn't good for you.

She's far too stubborn to come running. I'll chill and lay out some ground rules (as in, she can't date any of my friends, etc) and have some fun with other girls and see where this goes. I just hope we can rebuild something but I'm sure we can.

Thanks a lot for reading the post and your help, by the way! I appreciate it.
 

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With paragraphs.

She's far too stubborn to come running. I'll chill and lay out some ground rules (as in, she can't date any of my friends, etc) and have some fun with other girls and see where this goes. I just hope we can rebuild something but I'm sure we can.

Thanks a lot for reading the post and your help, by the way! I appreciate it.

You're welcome :smile:. I hope it all works out well for you (or at least not badly).
 

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Oh boy.

I've been friends with this.. girl for 2 years now. It started off rocky... I've heard from a number of people that I'm the most unique person they know (yeah everyone likes to believe that) and she had no idea what to think of me, originally. Went to a festival together back in 2008 and fucked one of her friends (which she thought was hilarious) but we started to grow closer after that. Went to another festival together in 2009 (just the two of us), shared a tent and grew even closer together. THEN we started doing psychedelic drugs together and then we grew EVEN CLOSER together.

I sorta consider her my best friend but.. 'not really'.

This sorta turned into the type of 'friendship' that I believe is kinda a gray area. I've recently gotten out of a relationship and she did about 4 months ago and we've sorta been.. getting 'intimate' in the most innocent of ways. Lots of cuddling, kisses on the cheek/head, spooning (where she grabs my hand and holds it close to her), sleeping in the same bed. It's been a gray area to me for some months now but despite of that, I got into a relationship with another girl and she knew everything about it and she told me she'd almost slept with some guy while on vacation; we basically tell each other tons of friend stuff.

Now, she's never given me the impression that she's even the slightest bit attracted to me physically.. quite the contrary actually (and I'm kinda muscular and she's really into skinny guys, I've got chest hair and I know she's reallly not into that.. etc), but I still feel like she and I are in this odd gray area where it's neither platonic nor non-platonic. And we both kinda said in so many words that there's 'sexual tension'.

Other than all of this 'gray area' stuff, we read each other like an open book. We know each other through and through...

Now I'm seeing her tomorrow (dragging her along to my DJ gig tomorrow) to catch up after her vacation and I just don't know. Should I act on what I perceive this 'grayness' or could I ruin a friendship with advancements? We're doing E together soon, which itself could be a push in that direction but I don't want to take advantage of a certain situation if that makes any sense.

I care so much for her, but I have no idea what do with this 'gray area'. And I do have female friends I'm 100% platonic with (most of my friends are girls).

Help?


doing e together means you probably will fuck you sex crazed drug addict you