The Future of Conservatism in America

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  1. exwhyzee

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    With North Carolina, the state of Jesse Helms, declared blue, what is the future of conservatism in the United States? A number of conservative

    What will the GOP and conservatism look like in the future? “There will be roughly twenty leaders at the meeting all of whom have been successful fundraisers and grassroots organizers, combined with a few conservative political and media strategists"

    George Will wonders how the elction results will invigorate (or not) party leadership and focus: "Goldwater's loss was constructive; it invigorated his party by reorienting it ideologically. McCain's loss was sterile, containing no seeds of intellectual rebirth."

    Blogger Henke to Republicans: "You earned the beating you took yesterday. You earned every bit of it. It is your fault. Democrats may or may not have deserved to win, but you deserved to lose."

    In the meantime, very long knives are out for one wannabe future leader, Sarah Palin.

    Other thoughts? Will the party mainstays such as religious conservatism, Joe Sixpack anti-intellectualism, and high military spending remain on the list?
     
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    I think it is dead.
     
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    I think that the GOP would do well to look at the beating that the Conservatives took in the UK in '97 when actually the economy was doing OK, but they faced a charismatic opposition leader, and had been in power for some time.

    I think/hope that Neoconism is dead and buried, though of course things can unfold in a variety of ways, but if it is business as usual they can expect to be out of power for some time, and OB is smart enough to play the long game so long as the rug is not pulled from under his feet. Eventually though, people get bored and take a chance to have a change.
     
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    I think the future lies in restructuring the economic ideology.

    They should have listened to Ron Paul.
     
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    Ron Paul the racist and anti-semite? Uhm, no thank you.
     
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    Define "conservatism".

    Being fiscally conservative should not even be in the same ballpark as socially conservative.

    Barry Goldwater conservatism is nowhere near what, say, Rick Santorum or Dennis Prage type conservatism is.

    Big tent? The tent is so friggin big, with all kinds of conflicting ideologies swarming around in it, that "conservatism" has lost meaning.

    I keep hearing about big-government conservatives now. Interventionists, non-interventionists. Radical evangelical "values voters" imposing their biblical-based will on the party.


    What the freak is a conservative anymore?
     
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    LOL. hillarious. All exist pole data shows that the country is still a solid center-right nation, so I dont think conservatism is the issue. Republicanism is the issue.The massive victory on Tues for the democrats reflects more of an indictment on the incumbent party rather than a shift to the left. Lets see just how popular the democrats are going to be with an approval rating in the teens, and there are no republican around to blame for it. Expect a refocused, conservative rebirth of the republican party in 2010 and 2012. I expect they will take the majority back in 2012 and probably the white house. Obama faces to many huge challenges to survive more than 1 term. NEWT/ JINDAL 2012'
     
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    Bingo. A country that votes against gay marriage and affirmative action is hardly liberal. With the top 50% of taxpayers shouldering 97% of the tax burden, Mr. Obama will struggle to implement any substantive economic change.

    As it is right now, New York State is squealing as the *rich* and their capital losses hit the tax coffers hard! This alternate LPSG universe will never get the time tested phrase *Whats good for GM is good for America.* The *rich* investor class, those evil bastards now have capital losses that they can carry forward into the next decade that will trim tax revenue sharply.

    There is no earthly way for government to re distribute income without shooting itself right in the gut. When you say let's tax the rich, you are saying also lets reduce tax revenue. The 2 go arm in arm.

    You want more tax revenue, make more rich people. You want less tax revenue make less rich people.

    As a fiscal conservative I cannot wait to see the dissappointment that is bound to occur as Mr. Obama finds he cannot do what he wants w/o taxing the middle class.
     
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    In fairness, the 'racist' link are to documents over 15 years old. Furthermore:

    He claims that he didn't write these newsletters; someone wrote them under his name (we've seen that happen recently with other people: this Obama smear piece claims to have been written by evangelist Bill Brown, but he denies having written it.)

    Even if he did write it, the most we can infer from them is that Ron Paul was a racist 15 years ago. Those newsletters are as relevant today as the William Ayers accusations.

    The "anti-semite" link begins with the words, "Through no fault of his own". Are you suggesting that Paul is an anti-semite because anti-semites voted for him?
     
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    They are obviously wrong, just as he said, he didn't write them. Do you know anything about Ron Paul besides what you learned on fox news? If so you would realize he was a libertarian and that the whole basis of the libertarian ideal is based around every human being equal and having equal opportunity without bias. You would also know he is the ONLY trustworthy congressman in office, voting by his principles every time, NOT voting to please. If you don't believe me check his website, you can see everything he's ever voted for.

    btw, willtom27, I would define conservative as politically conservative. I would never divide it into fiscal and social because social policies have NO place in the government as according to the Constitution of the United States of America. Neo-conservative is what the Republican party has become today, and their policies are full of lies and corruption, they contradict themselves and each other at any time just to get a vote to stay in office.
     
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    Oh really. In 2006 there was a Republican in the White House and Republicans controlled the House of Representatives and the Senate; In just two years that has all changed. Is that what you find so hilarious?

    Americans clearly wanted change, but they weren't the only ones to indict the Republican Party. The New Right is very disappointed with the neoconservative led administration now in control. They have made government bigger, raised taxes, and thew the GOP playbook out the window.

    Your dreams for a conservative rebirth of the Republican party just won't happen. It must become less marginalized and more traditional if they are going to please their constituency.


     
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    I agree with your claims, but would say that the conservative rebirth is possible, it's the neoconservative that is impossible...
     
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    No offense but you are ignorant. Who raised taxes? please do tell. And what the hell does "new right " mean. The "new right " if anything is neo-conservatism.. The "old right" is goldwater/reagan conservatism. And the old right will return in 2010 and 2012. believe that.

    Your argument that america wanted change in the form of democrats just doent make sense when you look at the democratic house and senates approval rating. when all the hollywood euphoria aroung the great obama production fades and reality sets in America is going to regret electing this charlatan.
     
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    What happened to the live-and-let-live, stay out of my yard and bedroom conservative?


    So, let's see... what's the tally now?

    North Carolina has turned blue.

    Virginia is blue.

    Indiana is blue.

    Ohio & Pennsylvania are blue (PA is BLUE-blue!).

    Colorado, New Mexico....
     
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    I agree with the statement that Americans did not want change in the form of the democrats. They merely wanted change. They knew McCain couldn't provide anything good so they voted for Obama. I really believe that in 2012 a Republican could win because Obama really won't be able to be the guy he's been hyped up to be because we have no income as a country if we are paying up to 700 Billion to corporations, not to mention the fact that our country is already over 10 Trillion in debt and increasing every day.

    The stock market is in a rough spot along with the housing market, our country will soon lose the last of the status it holds as it falls down the gutter....but this is what we need! People need to realize it's broken so they can REALLY fix it.
     
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    Yeah, you are right. Stupid Americans were duped by a Charlatan and the amazingly successful Goldwater strategies will be resurrected and the "old right" will set things right. If only those damned Americans were as smart as you.
     
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    It's not fair to call these states blue, did you see the percentages? For the most part it was very close within the states. The electoral college tricks you into thinking the vast majority of people in a state are for the candidate who the state votes for.
     
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    Oh, that's right, Bush raised spending dramatically...and lowered taxes. The No tax and spend fiscal policy is more indicative of the liberal spending of the present administration that led to the increase in our national debt.

    Everyone knows we all tend to love our own senator/representitive...and hate everyone elses. You would be better off looking at the approval rating of each congressional member by district to get a truer understanding of approval rating.
     
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    It's going to come back angrier than ever. Attempts to further social conservatism will erupt in more brainwashed evangelicals holding nasty, hate filled rallies filled with little to no rationale combined with attempts to further restrict the rights of people they don't agree with. 2012 is going to be a very ugly year as all of the hot social topics will most likely take precedence over fiscal issues since we'll be coming out of a recession.
     
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    North Carolina:

    Democrat for President (a small margin is still a victory)
    Democrat for Senate (ousted Elizabeth Dole :eek:)
    Democrat for Governor
    Democrat for Lieutenant Governor
    Democrat for Attorney General
    Democrat for Treasurer
    Etc, etc

    That's pretty fucking BLUE...especially for Jesse Helm's state...
     
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