The gay thing is interesting
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Hey lady
Just quoting my earlier post so we're clear about what my personal position is.
Lets be clear again shall we, I'm not interested, indeed I'm sure most homosexuals are not interested in being "tolerated" by you or any other heterosexual person. You and I are equal because we are human beings, if I tolerated you it would imply that I thought it was my right to tolerate you as though you were inferior to me, one tolerates an annoyance or an illness or an inconvenience of something one finds distasteful.
I have no right to tolerate you, you are a human being with every right to be and do as you wish, whether I like it or not is not material.
You and I can agree with one another or disagree because we are equal, but your use of the term toleration implies a relationship I do not recognise where I ( and other gay people ) am seeking the favour of some majority with the right to tolerate or not tolerate me as a human being. No group or individual has the right to tolerate me or you in this way.
I don't care if people don't like me because I'm gay, or because I'm English, or because I'm a dick sometimes, hate me all you like, that doesn't change the fact that I am equal as a human being to those who hate me.
Now your asking that a group which is looking for recognition of their equality as human beings ( not toleration, as though they were unequal and looking for favours ) to be more tolerant of others ? Forgive me if I find that mystifying and not a little offensive.
Lets be clear here I'm not defending other people's crass insensitivity to other people, I'm not suggesting that it's right to hound people about their sexuality percentages on LPSG, but I am pointing out that gay people are people first, they are as frail, as fallible as capable of being bigoted, foolish and insensitive as any other group of human beings. What you and I share in common is our humanity and if your point all along is that human beings should be more sensitive to one another then I'm in full and total agreement with you. But if your saying that one group of human beings should bear a greater responsibility to be sensitive to others because you think they should know better then we do not agree at all.
Why should I expect any group of people to be any more or any less sensitive to other humans than any other ?
Hi mista.
You didn't need to quote yourself, like I said...I read just fine, thank you.
You're misunderstanding my intention of the word tolerance, because I see it as something COMPLETELY different. All I mean to say is by tolerance is accepting others though you may not agree with them on whatever the subject is, and respecting their decisions and lifestyle. :shrug: Sorry that you think of me referring to you as an "annoyance", but that's not what the word means, and it isn't how I'm using it...at all.
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Hilaire, what is the actual point (in a nutshell) that you are making?, apologies, but i'm getting kinda confused here, Many thanks T
It is becoming confusing :biggrin1: Primarily because I'm trying to find ever simpler ways of saying the same thing. I'm making the point that it's entirely unfair to expect gay people to be any more or any less sensitive to those who post as 100% heterosexual while professing enjoyment of homosexual sex acts.
The OP, and christinab seem to think that gay people should be super sensitive to the sexuality issues of others just because gay people happen to be gay. I'm pointing out that human beings are human beings regardless of their sexuality, gay people are as likely to be insensitive as any other kind of people.
What christinab seems to be saying now ( whether she realises it or not ) is that gay people should accept things they might find objectionable because she thinks gay people want society to "accept" them even if they find them objectionable.
I'm pointing out that most gay people don't give a shit whether they're tolerated or accepted, what they want is to be treated as equals as human beings. To be equal with one another we don't have to accept one another, we don't have to tolerate one another we don't even have to like one another.
So the contention that because people mistake the desire of gay people to be treated as equal human beings as being the desire to be accepted, tolerated e.t.c. that gay people should in a quit pro quo transaction be more accepting and tolerant than other groups of people is false and based on a faulty understanding of terms, and concepts.
Now if the contention was that human beings in general should be more accepting of one another then I would have no problem at all, but what it sounds like christinab and the OP are saying ( in essence, I stress ) is "if we have to smile and put up with gay people's crap, then gay people damn well better be grateful and be even more smiley when putting up with other people's crap". Since gay people never asked anyone to smile in the first place I'm just wondering why we're expected to so ingratiating.
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completely wrong. i never said any of that, and in fact you're simply twisting my words to make your side of the argument look better, and ME look bad. however, if anyone else has read my posts (which they have and people are agreeing with me) they'd see that all i'm saying is practice what you preach. plain and simple.
Seriously love, this is going nowhere. This is me stepping away from this because we're just not communicating properly anymore and I have no desire or reason to fall out with you. See you around.
Five guys on one chic is just a good time, right?:
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Something homoerotic is going on there that most straight guys refuse to acknowledge.
Amee Donovan HardCore - Hardcore sex video - Tube8.com
Something homoerotic is going on there that most straight guys refuse to acknowledge.
I think maybe it might just be these particular guys in this porno because they don't seem to be afraid of each other. They're just into the sex. I would maybe call it homosensual because none of the guys really engaged directly with each other. BUT they all seem to enjoy each other's pleasure. The cumshots were pretty fucking intimate.
Great word.
Hey, if you have a body cavity wall separating two dicks -- there's probably a better way to say that -- is that not direct?
From what I've noticed, in most cases when gay men make a comment about a woman, it's more of an appreciation of beauty than an actual sexual interest: "You have a very beautiful face"; "You're in fantastic shape! Very nice figure."; "You have a great set of breasts".
Whereas, with "straight" men, their comments tend to be a little more sexually charged: "Wow, wish I could have that huge cock down my throat"; "I'd love to jerk off with you"; "That's a lot of precum man, bet it would be great lube!". That isn't to say straight men don't also just 'appreciate beauty' as is evidenced in comments complimenting the size of larger cocks or muscular/fit men. Those are just observations, though.
Beyond that, as previously mentioned, it is an insult when someone who claims to be strictly heterosexual admits to wanting certain things/having certain feelings that obviously point to bi/homosexuality. You're living the privileged life of a heterosexual whilst indulging in the "best" parts of a homosexual lifestyle. Every closet case hinders the cause. You can't really expect a person to treat LGBTs as equals when non-heterosexuality doesn't "exist" in their world. There is no physical indicator that a person is gay, so they're essentially invisible to the people around them unless they let it be known. It's imperative that people come out if we ever want some semblance of equality. So, yes, it is insulting when a person lives this deceitful, illusion of a life, yet has secretive homosexual encounters.
Live a lie and forgo your homosexual tendencies, or be the person you really are. Just don't do both. Nobody benefits.
(Note: None of this is directed at those who don't proclaim to be heterosexual, but do keep their sexuality disclosed)
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