The Great Moderate Exodus

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  1. joyboytoy79

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    So, Olympia Snowe announced she won't be running for Senate again. She sites, as her reasoning, increasing partisanship in Congress. Her's is the sixth such announcement recently.

    Now I know I'm an idealist goof, but doesn't it make sense, if your breed is dying, that you would fight it out to the bitter end? Increasing partisanship means we need MORE moderates! Not LESS!!! What kind of crazy-ass reasoning is this?!?!?!?

    Any thoughts?

    Sen. Olympia Snowe, a Maine moderate, won’t seek another term - The Washington Post
     
  2. ConanTheBarber

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    But she's 65 and would be 71 by the end of her next term, if she ran again.
    Shouldn't my favorite lil' cheese head cut the dame sum slack?:cool:
     
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    If she said "I'm effin old and tired and I just want to retire and travel the world" I would probably cut her some slack.

    But that's not what she said. So nope, no slack from dis cheezhed :)
     
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    Ok cheezhed, slack on this! :tongue:

    My understanding of what she is saying, is that she's tired of fighting that battle herself. From the sounds of the article, it's a battle with both sides, depending on what the issue is. Sure, she eventually won over enough support to accomplished good things, but how many migraines did it cause in the process?

    From what I read, she's tired with the fighting, and I'll bet her heart's just not into it anymore :frown1:.

    Ya know, you can know that you're doing the right thing all you want, but if you have to battle with your side, just as much as the opponents, it can become just not worth it.

    But, I agree with you. We need more like her on both sides, not less :mad:

    Now, stick that in your udder and milk it! :wiggle:
     
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    Congress used to be a place where the two sides could work together and hammer out a compromise.

    But the GOP has become a party of such extremism that their ONLY agenda in congress is to stymie any democratic president, and any democratic house or senate.

    I am sure having to put in long hours, for long months, at her age, must be far to close of a living death, when, at the end of the day, there is never anything constructive to show for it.

    The GOP really seriously does need to be taken out of power for a good long period, perhaps as long as 8 or 12 years... I mean, to serially lose election after election just so they will sit back, re-think and re-build their party around more patriotic values and ideals...

    Like... when the nation is in economic crisis... FIX THE CRISIS FIRST... then worry about the next presidential election.
     
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    See what I mean???

    It's become an "it's always the other side" battle :irked:
     
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    But she does, perhaps a bit subtly, refer to her age.

    “Unfortunately, I do not realistically expect the partisanship of recent years in the Senate to change over the short term. So, at this stage of my tenure in public service, I have concluded that I am not prepared to commit myself to an additional six years in the Senate.”

    There's a clear implication that she might decide differently if she were, say, 32. But nobody ain't 32 no mo'.:rolleyes:
     
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    There's some truth there.
    But if the Dems tried to disengage, it would have no effect on the Republicans.
    While, if the Republicans tried to disengage, the Democrats would revert to their usually relatively reasonable behavior.
    The Republicans have been doing this rather constantly since Clinton was elected in 1992.
    There really is a more guilty side.
     
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    Are you seriously suggesting that there are no unreasonable Dems??

    Really this is just illustrating my point, and her feelings.
     
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    No. What I am saying is that the Republicans have been carrying the can on this for a long time. They are the real obstructionists. Do this long enough, and both sides become unreasonable. But I suspect that far more Democrats are at least embarrassed by what is happening than are most Republicans, with the exception of those of Olympia Snow's and Bob Dole's ilk.
    The almost religious conviction that it is one's duty to foil the other party's aims is, imo, far more engrained in the GOP.

    You said:
    My first sentence in response was:
    They will both have to decide to disengage and move on to serving your country. But getting to that point, for Democrats, entails a much shorter journey that it does for the average Republican.
     
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    See, but I'm not sure I believe that. I think like in most other areas, it's the weirdest, most outspoken, most over the top that get the most attention.

    For the most part, most had never heard of Olympia Snow, because she didn't make good headlines.

    Now, I will tell you that right now, in many areas, I'm leaning toward the Dem candidates, because I like their actions better. However, there's some Dems that I have no desire to support (Pelosi was one), and there are some Repubs that I still support.

    But, I think both sides are pushing views and agendas, because they are a _____________(fill in party), and not because it is the best for the country, county, people, etc.
     
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    I'm sure there's a lot of truth to that.
    Where we differ is on the genesis of this polarization, and on the relative commitment of each side to maintain it.

    But hey -- who knows?
     
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    Hey,,,,Did we just almost come to a compromise??? :biggrin1:
     
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    Give us a break. Both sides have an agenda. Both sides are equally rotten. Most people on this site are going to be pro-Dem, and anti-Repub because of the stands on abortion, and gay rights. Ironic isn't it that a gay Republican organization is the one that sued to get Don't Ask Don't Tell repealed? Yes, it was the Log Cabin Republicans that fought to get the repeal.
    Dems scream TAX THE RICH! but they are just repeating what the public wants to hear. The only rich that will get soaked are the ones that don't have protected trusts. Most of the ultra wealthy have protected trusts. 10% of Congress is in the wealthiest 1% of Americans. The wealthiest 15 members of Congress are split 8 dem, 7 repub. You aren't going to get help from either side.
    BTW, the annual income of the 1% starts at $343k. It is full of doctors, lawyers, and engineers.
    Warren Buffet says tax the rich but most of his money is tied up in protected trusts. The income on which he would be taxed is a drip of what he earns. He has already transferred mega billions to the Gates Foundation. He fully intends to see to it that his fortune does not go for inheritence taxes. He needs to just shut the hell up, and take that money out of trusts. Then, you won't hear him screaming raise taxes.
    Congress is full of egotists who want power. They will give their support base whatever it wants whether it is good for the country or not. The country has an "I want it now!" attitude, and gives no thought for the future. Congress gives it what it wants, and we are in shambles.
    I was reading the Annual Report, and Prospectus of a mutual fund. The chief investment officer was refreshingly honest. He made the statement about Congress not doing what is best for the country but whatever it takes to get elected. Very few seem to pay attention to the fact that both parties in Congress repealed laws, and passed legislation that screwed us up. They helped create this housing mess, stock market mess, and banking mess. They ratified NAFTA and the trade agreement with China. Clinton signed them but Congress could have killed them. They did not. Jim Turner was the congressman for this district. I had voted for him. I called his office. An aid told me he was going to vote for the trade agreement with China so that the timber companies in his district could sell trees to China. The next election, this district put him out of office.
    It boils down to this, they are going to fight to get elected, and do whatever crap it takes to stay in power. Not only are they fattening their own bank accounts at our expense, power is the ultimate high for them. It makes them hard faster than Viagra.
    Right now, the Republicans want the public to have a chance to vote on an amendment to the Constitution requiring a balanced budget. Certain Dem leaders refuse to let it pass through Congress. If the budget has to be balanced, neither party is going to be able to use pork barrel projects to buy votes. I say let us have the chance to vote on the amendment.
    Have you noticed how both parties have put public workers on the chopping block? They aren't about to admit they screwed this nation to bits. They don't want to admit they have been on a spending spree for decades, and the nation is broke. They want to appease the public by diverting attention away from themselves. They get free health care, a large pension in which they do not pay, luxury meals, haircuts, banking services, and other perks for pennies on the dollar of what they cost. You are the one holding the IOU for it.
    Opensecrets.org is a non-partisan group that publishes who gave what money to compaigns. Big business, trade groups, unions, and wealthy individuals have bought our politicians. We were lied too about most of the money for the last Presidential election coming from small donors. The heavy hitters in finance, real estate, and several other groups got major influence in the current government. Goldman Sachs was a big contributor. If Lehman had forked over the big bucks, the government might not have let them fail.
    I tired of hearing politicians claim responsibility for good things that someone else did. It was the UAW that came forward with big concessions to save GM. It was NOT the government. In fact, the government wanted an orderly bankruptcy that would have left the workers in trouble.
    Start looking closer at what is going on folks. Quit believing what the party mouth pieces, and spin doctors say. Both sides are lying out their butts. Neither side gives a damn about you. They are counting on you being stupid enough to let them screw you, and they won't even kiss you. Hell, they won't even use Vaseline!
     
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    Yeah ... but it wuz my doing, not urs.
     
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    Countryguy63, PETA is petitioning Congress to vote for you to get your big ass off your horse's back.
     
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    :tongue: Pfffffttt

    that cracked me up
     
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    That's only because you want to bury your face in it again :tongue:
     
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    yours or the horses?
     
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    MY thoughts:
    Senator Snowe would have to go through a primary. Maine's Republican Party has gone off the deep end and is now ruled by the Tea Party. I think Ms. Snowe saw the writing on the wall. She would probably win her seat back in a general election but it is doubtful she would survive her party's primary. I wouldn't be surprised if Maine's other Senator, Susan Collins, comes to the same conclusion when her term is up. Senator Collins sponsored the repeal of DADT. The Tea Party was not amused.
     
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