The growing violence -- the guns at the Townhalls, the birthers

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

We could see it building already last fall at the Sarah Palin rallies when Sarah would work up the crowd pressing racial hot buttons (Rev. Wright, Obama: the Muslim terrorist) and random southern red-staters would yell "Kill him!", kill Obama.

We saw the birthers and their blatant, ugly hatred for a black president (let's not mince words -- they ignored all proofs). The Obama/Hitler, Obama/Joker signs at the Tea Parties. We saw, we continue to see, the guns brought to the townhalls at which Obama speaks.

Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck are out there every day, nurturing and stoking the latent fears some conservatives have against a black man in the Oval Office.



Today, Nancy Pelosi addressed this heated, fervid rhetoric, this growing sense of violence in the air. Emotional. Please watch. She alludes to Dan White -- who shot and killed Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk in San Francisco in the late '70's:


YouTube - Rep. Nancy Pelosi worries about Protests violence

 

[Principessa]

She's right. I live in rural Georgia and frankly the attitude of many people around here frightens me.

 

[D_CountdeGrandePinja]

We'll never learn - why???

Would love to live in a rural area BUT, I think, there are more crazies.

What happened to Air America radio? We need a voice to silence the idiots!

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

You have NO idea about what's going to happen in this country............soon.

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

We'll never learn - why???

Would love to live in a rural area BUT, I think, there are more crazies.

What happened to Air America radio? We need a voice to silence the idiots!

the idiots at air america have been silenced

 

[Principessa]

You have NO idea about what's going to happen in this country............soon. the idiots at air america have been silenced

And you do, Nostradamus? Please favor us with a prediction. :tongue:

 

[Bbucko]

the idiots at air america have been silenced

All in the name of the First Amendment, no doubt. Weren't you the same man bellyaching when Michael Savage's "right to free speech" was being impeded when he was denied a visa to the UK?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You have NO idea about what's going to happen in this country............soon.

Actually, most of us have a good idea even if we don't talk about it. We're just hoping that none of the fringers are THAT stupid.

 

[Bodaddio]

Why is it when the Southerner or republican is painted with a wide brush it is ok and acceptable. When the same is done to the left sided thinker on here "you can't generalize everyone as that way".
If I recall the gun toters were from New Hampshire.
You have you, Congress and ABC, CBS, and NBC stoking the fears of the left.
Not only is he black, but the man is also white.
Why is it yourself and Nancy Pelosi are not being a fear monger?

Cheers

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

I watched it and she went too far. It is a political ploy to stop any momentum in the fight against the extreme government spending, and push towards socialism. Personally, I speak out against what I believe is wrong, and I vote.
Violence hasn't been limited to just these wing nuts. I do ask though, why is it wrong for them and not for other groups protests? It's wrong for all of them

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Why is it when the Southerner or republican is painted with a wide brush it is ok and acceptable. When the same is done to the left sided thinker on here "you can't generalize everyone as that way".
If I recall the gun toters were from New Hampshire.
You have you, Congress and ABC, CBS, and NBC stoking the fears of the left.
Not only is he black, but the man is also white.
Why is it yourself and Nancy Pelosi are not being a fear monger?

Cheers

Nobody is painting the entire Southern or Republican base with a wide brush in this thread. Which is why the OP clearly said "random" and used specific incidents to make his point.

Let's get real here and not even beat around the bush... people are afraid that someone may try to assassinate Obama. This isn't just a fear that generated as soon as he entered office. This is something that has lurked in the back of people's minds, especially minorities, for generations. Many do believe that the first black, latino or minority president would be killed.

So really... how do we, as a nation, deal with a problem that has existed in the minds of many Americans for so long? Especially when the warning signs emitting from a select few are getting louder and louder, yet nobody wants to acknowledge or even try to defuse the issue? And please, don't even bother responding if your answer to this will have the word "liberal" or "conservative" in it. Because we all know what both sides have done to fuel this issue. Whether you feel it was intentional or just an attempt to bring attention to the underlying problem is not what we should be talking about. Claims about "fear mongering" and playing the race card will not suffice here.

For a gentler way of putting it, check out this link regarding how some comedians have tackled the issue. Every 'First Black President' Joke Basically the Same - Barack Obama - Gawker

 

[B_cigarbabe]

And you do, Nostradamus? Please favor us with a prediction. :tongue:[/QUOT

 

[B_cigarbabe]

All in the name of the First Amendment, no doubt. Weren't you the same man bellyaching when Michael Savage's "right to free speech" was being impeded when he was denied a visa to the UK?[/QUOTE

 

[VeeP]

The Oscars aren't until February, but I'll nominate San Fran Nan for best actress in political role.

Number of arrests during the 9/12 March on D.C.: ZERO

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

And you do, Nostradamus? Please favor us with a prediction. :tongue:

Obama will be a one term president

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

All in the name of the First Amendment, no doubt. Weren't you the same man bellyaching when Michael Savage's "right to free speech" was being impeded when he was denied a visa to the UK?

Michael Savage never ripped off a school system

 

[Bodaddio]

Vinyl,

That is a fear we genuinely have for every president as well as vice president, that is the reason we have the Secret Service, why we close down the roads that they are traveling on when they are moving across the city and have them land on military bases if at all possible.

And you are right, the OP did say random and some and I stand corrected.

I think the first way of dealing with the problem is acknowledge that there is a difference in the races. To not tolerate racism from anyone. I grew up in New Orleans a city that is what almost 90% black. I have had racist remarks made towards me because I am white, a minority in that area. Because I am white I have to take it.
A black comedian can get on stage and in his best nerdy voice crack a joke about crackers and honkey's and all the other names there are for white guys this day. There is no way in hell a white comedian is going to be able to go one stage and say the work nigger is there. Why do we allow that to happen?

Why do we allow the Congressional Black Caucus to exist? The congressman who defeated William Jefferson tried to join it, since his district is 90% black and wasn't allowed because he is not black. Why is that tolerated?

Why during the election could likenesses of McCain and Palin be hung in effigy, and it is just considered a Halloween decoration, but someone does one of Obama and the world stops spinning?

Why do we allow our elected Representatives call people Nazi's, and communists and all the other names that have come out lately? Why, why to we as a society tolerate it? Because they are on the same side of the aisle that you are? Because their skin is the same color as yours?

Want to get past it as a country, then let it go. Because someone said "you lie", that does not make it a racist remark. In bad taste, inappropriate, yes. Racist, no.
Want to get over it as a country, then don't accept it from anyone.

If you are going to complain about the Obama/Hitler, Joker posters, you should have complained about the same posters that were depicting Busch the exact same way. Until that happens you are just as guilty. You are as mean and wrong as the people who do it do President Obama. As long as you allow racial things to happen from your side of the aisle, or your own race, then you are just as much to blame and just as much of the problem.

Stop allowing Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton to charge race whenever anything happens. Uphold anyones second amendment rights to say what they want, even if you don't agree with it. Uphold all of our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, even if I am not the same color as you.

Cheers

 

[Mr Ed in Mass]

Nobody is painting the entire Southern or Republican base with a wide brush in this thread. Which is why the OP clearly said "random" and used specific incidents to make his point

Some "random" Democrats are child molesters or wife beaters,or
[ oh my God !],decent human beings.

 

[Industrialsize]

Don't tell me that the prospect of violence against President Obama hasn't increased. Let the Secret Service do that:
....."Once Obama became president," Kessler says, "the Secret Service experienced a 400 percent increase in the number of threats against the president, in comparison with President Bush."

James Bamford Reviews Ronald Kessler's 'In the President's Secret Service' - washingtonpost.com

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Vinyl,

That is a fear we genuinely have for every president as well as vice president, that is the reason we have the Secret Service, why we close down the roads that they are traveling on when they are moving across the city and have them land on military bases if at all possible.

And you are right, the OP did say random and some and I stand corrected.

I think the first way of dealing with the problem is acknowledge that there is a difference in the races. To not tolerate racism from anyone. I grew up in New Orleans a city that is what almost 90% black. I have had racist remarks made towards me because I am white, a minority in that area. Because I am white I have to take it.
A black comedian can get on stage and in his best nerdy voice crack a joke about crackers and honkey's and all the other names there are for white guys this day. There is no way in hell a white comedian is going to be able to go one stage and say the work nigger is there. Why do we allow that to happen?

Why do we allow the Congressional Black Caucus to exist? The congressman who defeated William Jefferson tried to join it, since his district is 90% black and wasn't allowed because he is not black. Why is that tolerated?

Why during the election could likenesses of McCain and Palin be hung in effigy, and it is just considered a Halloween decoration, but someone does one of Obama and the world stops spinning?

Why do we allow our elected Representatives call people Nazi's, and communists and all the other names that have come out lately? Why, why to we as a society tolerate it? Because they are on the same side of the aisle that you are? Because their skin is the same color as yours?

Want to get past it as a country, then let it go. Because someone said "you lie", that does not make it a racist remark. In bad taste, inappropriate, yes. Racist, no.
Want to get over it as a country, then don't accept it from anyone.

If you are going to complain about the Obama/Hitler, Joker posters, you should have complained about the same posters that were depicting Busch the exact same way. Until that happens you are just as guilty. You are as mean and wrong as the people who do it do President Obama. As long as you allow racial things to happen from your side of the aisle, or your own race, then you are just as much to blame and just as much of the problem.

Stop allowing Jessey Jackson and Al Sharpton to charge race whenever anything happens. Uphold anyones second amendment rights to say what they want, even if you don't agree with it. Uphold all of our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, even if I am not the same color as you.

Cheers

Was it Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton saying this stuff back in the 60s & 70s when comedians like Richard Pryor, Flip Wilson & Redd Foxx "touched" on similar subjects? Where were Jackson & Sharpton when these people grew up and had to deal with worse animosities? Again, this fear is NOT exclusive nor propagated only by political parties.

This taps into fears that go as far back as slavery and it crosses all racial barriers. It's not just blacks & minorities that fear this either. We know that every President has to live in fear of an assassination attempt. We know every president that has been assassinated is a major loss and tragedy. This is not the issue here. What I'm worried about is the state of our nation if in fact someone does try to assassinate THIS president. We've been a nation for barely over 3 centuries. It took nearly one of those centuries for someone to feel politically motivated enough to "free the slaves", all the while taking another century for our nation to actually acknowledge their rights. Considering how some people are so antsy to scream out racism or reverse racism at every single turn, how do you think our country will fare if such a thing happened? What would that affect us in our crusade towards Civil Rights? If we want to prevent such a thing from happening, is it wrong for people to point out problems that could lead us to this unfortunate act when it's glaring in front of everyone's face? Or do we just "ignore it" because you feel the need to treat everyone equal?

This is the other side of the racism argument that nobody wants to face because it does require everyone to look into themselves and answer it truthfully. Completely rhetorical in nature, of course. But if you can't honestly answer these questions without resorting to some kind of political tie, that in itself is a problem.