The growing violence -- the guns at the Townhalls, the birthers

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We could see it building already last fall at the Sarah Palin rallies when Sarah would work up the crowd pressing racial hot buttons (Rev. Wright, Obama: the Muslim terrorist) and random southern red-staters would yell "Kill him!", kill Obama.

We saw the birthers and their blatant, ugly hatred for a black president (let's not mince words -- they ignored all proofs). The Obama/Hitler, Obama/Joker signs at the Tea Parties. We saw, we continue to see, the guns brought to the townhalls at which Obama speaks.

Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck are out there every day, nurturing and stoking the latent fears some conservatives have against a black man in the Oval Office.



Today, Nancy Pelosi addressed this heated, fervid rhetoric, this growing sense of violence in the air. Emotional. Please watch. She alludes to Dan White -- who shot and killed Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk in San Francisco in the late '70's:


YouTube - Rep. Nancy Pelosi worries about Protests violence


The USA wasn't founded on debates. if it's worth dying for than it's worth keeping. the race card is the last attemt at the dems failing to win the national agenda. people clearly don't want what Obama and Pelosi are shoving down their throats.

You praise the irainians in their unrest. this is no different.
 

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The USA wasn't founded on debates. if it's worth dying for than it's worth keeping. the race card is the last attemt at the dems failing to win the national agenda.

Some failure... so ineffective, you have to say it on this board (and to yourself) over and over and over again. That's the problem when you look at the issue of race purely from political mindsets. :rolleyes:

people clearly don't want what Obama and Pelosi are shoving down their throats.

That's a broad statement. Can you be more specific?
 

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Founded completely on debates? Really?

Do you honestly believe that the Revolutionaries who won our freedom did not debate tactics/aims/consequences before any shooting started?

Do you really think that they accomplished all of that with no discussion? Really?
 

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Do you honestly believe that the Revolutionaries who won our freedom did not debate tactics/aims/consequences before any shooting started?

Do you really think that they accomplished all of that with no discussion? Really?
Don't you know? The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were handed down from on high by God in Heaven.

I bet you believe in that evolution b.s. too. sheesh... :rolleyes:
 

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Was it Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton saying this stuff back in the 60s & 70s when comedians like Richard Pryor, Flip Wilson & Redd Foxx "touched" on similar subjects? Where were Jackson & Sharpton when these people grew up and had to deal with worse animosities? Again, this fear is NOT exclusive nor propagated only by political parties.

No it wasn't, but we are also not back in the 60's and 70's. We are in the here and now. I don't see them saying anything about the black comedian calling the white guys crackers, honkys, whitey all that stuff. I don't see them rising up against the singers going on about niggers, ho's, bitches and what not. I haven't seen them at the black on black shootings decrying them. I have seen them at every thing that happens involving a white person and a black person though. I didn't see them in New Orleans after our wonderful mayor said this is going to be a "Chocolate City."
Why are we not in the here and now? Today, we have this problem, today we have a half black president, today George Busch is not president. Stop with the back thens.


You know heaven forbid that a white guy try to assassinate this president. It will be racial, despite the fact that every other president who was assassinated was done so by a white guy. It will be horrible if this happens. I also don't think anyone in their right mind wants this to happen. I don't even want to think about what will be if this happens. I truly hope the Secret Service and everyone else who protects the president can make sure this never happens.

Yes it has taken us a long time to stop our racial injustices. Now, how many years to we have to be told that they happened? I never owned a slave, no one in my family has. Why do I have to be made to feel like I did something wrong for being born white? Why is it if I don't agree with something my president does, I am racist? Why is Wilson saying you lie racist, but Sotomayor saying I as a Latina woman can make a better decision than a white man not racist? Who propagates racism? What exactly is racism and who decides what is and what isn't?

We don't want racism, but we want affirmative action. You know I went to a meeting of the Black Nurses Association when I was recruiting for the Navy. I have a last name that is a predominately black last name. When I walked in the first thing the president of the association said was "I didn't think you would be a white boy." "I don't think we can go on with this". Now I was taken aback but got them to listen to me. After I told them about what the Navy could do for nurses and what not, she then asked me what special treatment would the Navy give to a black nurse. I told her none, they get treated like everyone else who volunteers to join. She said she couldn't endorse any of her members joining the Nurse Corp in the Navy without special treatment for black nurses. Seriously what is someone supposed to think about that? Why do you deserve any special treatment because you are black?

We should point it out when it happens. We don't. We allow it to keep going on. Has anyone asked why the Black Congressional Caucus is still allowed to exist? Do we still buy albums and go to concerts where the singer uses these hateful words in their lyrics?

Everyone who points their fingers saying you are a racist also forgets there are three more pointing back at them.


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No I know they debated, but you said completely on debate. That is not so. We did have to fight for what we wanted For what we needed.

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No it wasn't, but we are also not back in the 60's and 70's. We are in the here and now.

I don't see them saying anything about the black comedian calling the white guys crackers, honkys, whitey all that stuff.

That's because they're COMEDIANS. We all know that what they do on stage is a joke. It's not as if anyone here wouldn't laugh at a properly targeted racist joke because it does expose just how ridiculous these thoughts really are. Also, last time I checked Lisa Lapanelli is a comedian who calls out people of ANY race. Dave Chapelle does the same thing. I could go on, but I think you catch my drift here.

I don't see them rising up against the singers going on about niggers, ho's, bitches and what not.

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to some of the movements being made in the Hip-Hop community to drop the "N-Word" from their records and to stop calling women bitches and ho's. Many rappers actually follow this credo. For others, it's their right to say it. You know, free speech, anti-censorship and all. The only real way to combat all of this is to not buy their records. Effect them in the pocketbooks and they change their tune.

I haven't seen them at the black on black shootings decrying them.

Someone's been drinking the "stop snitching" Kool-Aid a little hard. When in fact, many people have voiced opposition about black-on-black crime. Here's a classic example that was played on all of the music networks, colleges & FM Radio stations featuring LOTS of prominent black musicians and rappers.

YouTube - Self Destruction

I have seen them at every thing that happens involving a white person and a black person though.

Yes, and I've seen the exact opposite. So what does that tell you?

Why are we not in the here and now? Today, we have this problem, today we have a half black president, today George Busch is not president. Stop with the back thens.

Because as we are seeing, the "here and now" still has a lot of similarities to the back thens. What's the point of saying we're in 2009 when people still have mentalities, beliefs and treat people like we haven't even desegregated schools?

You know heaven forbid that a white guy try to assassinate this president. It will be racial, despite the fact that every other president who was assassinated was done so by a white guy.

And if it's a latino, Asian, Native Indian or whomever it would get the same type of treatment.

Yes it has taken us a long time to stop our racial injustices. Now, how many years to we have to be told that they happened?

It'll continued to be told as long as it still exists. Part of the reason why some people don't want to hear about it is because the past still haunts us. Nobody ever forgets. We can only try to live our lives in a way where we don't repeat it.

I never owned a slave,

Too bad... they're great sex toys! I digress, of course... :biggrin1:

Why do I have to be made to feel like I did something wrong for being born white?

Let's not act like "poor whitey" now. Nobody is even doing that here.

Why is it if I don't agree with something my president does, I am racist?

Absolute bullshit. Only people with guilty consciouses would ever feed into that rhetoric. There are ways to form critiques about Obama and the current administration without resorting to something racial. Many on this board have done so. Even the most liberal of political pundits, like Maddow and Olbermann have ALSO done it. The problem is, certain people don't think before they open their mouths or type their hateful rhetoric. They do this, all the while ignoring what actually constitutes as a racist statement.

Why is Wilson saying you lie racist, but Sotomayor saying I as a Latina woman can make a better decision than a white man not racist?

Who in the hell said this? :confused:
Of course both comments are racist in nature. Yes, even Wilson's even if he didn't say a slur. It's more than just the words being used... actions peak just as loudly. But now that we have both of these issues under one umbrella, which one is more offensive? And be honest... they're not on the same level or magnitude.

Who propagates racism? What exactly is racism and who decides what is and what isn't?

We all do. But as human beings we can also decide what is a serious issue and what is a pointless rant. That's like saying all apples are apples, ignoring that some may have a slightly different taste.

We don't want racism, but we want affirmative action. You know I went to a meeting of the Black Nurses Association when I was recruiting for the Navy. I have a last name that is a predominately black last name. When I walked in the first thing the president of the association said was "I didn't think you would be a white boy." "I don't think we can go on with this". Now I was taken aback but got them to listen to me. After I told them about what the Navy could do for nurses and what not, she then asked me what special treatment would the Navy give to a black nurse. I told her none, they get treated like everyone else who volunteers to join. She said she couldn't endorse any of her members joining the Nurse Corp in the Navy without special treatment for black nurses. Seriously what is someone supposed to think about that? Why do you deserve any special treatment because you are black?

OK... I don't even know what that whole thing is about.
But if you're trying to twist this one isolated incident into one where you paint all black people as those who need special treatment, then you haven't learned a thing about racism yourself. What's the point on calling it out if then you engage in similar thought or action?

We should point it out when it happens. We don't. We allow it to keep going on.

It goes on whether we like it or not. We can't tell people not to think or feel how they choose to.

Has anyone asked why the Black Congressional Caucus is still allowed to exist?

Because it hasn't been ruled as illegal or unconstitutional.

Do we still buy albums and go to concerts where the singer uses these hateful words in their lyrics?

Of course we do. And I still laugh at Dave Chapelle sketches & The Boondocks.

Everyone who points their fingers saying you are a racist also forgets there are three more pointing back at them.

Which is why we need the ability to look at each incident and find out exactly what harm it causes. When people on this board hide behind their anonymous profiles and call me a "dumb queer", a "boy", a "sodomite", a "cancer to my own race" or a "stupid nigger" (just to throw a few names thrown at me over the last 3 months) it's easy to shake it off. When a cop, holding racial grudge, physically grabs you and inflicts harm on you it's a different thing altogether. The problem is, many people just want to lump both of these all as one thing and move on... not looking at what's really happening underneath. It's easier to get over a forum insult... not so easy when one physically assaults you. That's just one example, but I hope you catch my drift.
 
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No I know they debated, but you said completely on debate. That is not so. We did have to fight for what we wanted For what we needed.

Cheers

The British were the most powerful military force in the world in the 1770s and 80s. We beat them with tactics, not firepower.

The Revolution was planned, debated, then fought. The Boston Tea Party was debated at the Old South Meetinghouse right up until they left.

Whether or not to join in the Revolution was debated fiercely in the individual colonial assemblies. Revolutions take money, which needed to be appropriated; this took debate.

The Declaration of Independence was debated for weeks before it was finally published in Philadelphia. The Articles of Confederation and the Constitutional Congress were all products of great internal debate. Their reason of existence was debated, their work consisted entirely of debate.

Of the first five Presidents, only Washington was a soldier. Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe were lawyers and politicians, not military men.

George Washington used the Fabian strategy and used hit-and-run tactics, hitting where the enemy was weakest, to wear down the British forces and their Hessian mercenary allies. Washington led victories against the British at Trenton and Princeton, and then turned south. With a decisive victory at Yorktown, and the help of the French, the Spanish and the Dutch, the Continental Army prevailed against the British, and with the Treaty of Paris, the independence of the United States was acknowledged.


After the war, though, the Continental Army was quickly disbanded as part of the American distrust of standing armies, and irregular state militias became the new nation's sole ground army, with the exception of a regiment to guard the Western Frontier and one battery of artillery guarding West Point's arsenal. However, because of continuing conflict with Native Americans, it was soon realized that it was necessary to field a trained standing army. The first of these, the Legion of the United States, was established in 1791.
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Source.
 

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Of the first five Presidents, only Washington was a soldier. Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe were lawyers and politicians, not military men.
Your basic point is sound enough, but Monroe was a cavalryman. Among other typical wartime exploits, he was one of the two men Washington sent to kill a house full of Hessian sentries before they could spread the alarm about the American forces approaching Trenton. They cleared the house with sabers, and surprise was maintained.
 

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Your basic point is sound enough, but Monroe was a cavalryman. Among other typical wartime exploits, he was one of the two men Washington sent to kill a house full of Hessian sentries before they could spread the alarm about the American forces approaching Trenton. They cleared the house with sabers, and surprise was maintained.

Thank you for the correction.
 

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The British were the most powerful military force in the world in the 1770s and 80s. We beat them with tactics, not firepower.

The Revolution was planned, debated, then fought. The Boston Tea Party was debated at the Old South Meetinghouse right up until they left.

Whether or not to join in the Revolution was debated fiercely in the individual colonial assemblies. Revolutions take money, which needed to be appropriated; this took debate.

The Declaration of Independence was debated for weeks before it was finally published in Philadelphia. The Articles of Confederation and the Constitutional Congress were all products of great internal debate. Their reason of existence was debated, their work consisted entirely of debate.

Of the first five Presidents, only Washington was a soldier. Adams, Jefferson, Madison and Monroe were lawyers and politicians, not military men.

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Source.

And by your own source and admission it was not completely by debate. We did have to fight, yes tactics were involved as they always are. Debate was involved. But to say we became a nation completely on debate is not true.

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With all due respect, they aren't the ones toting guns to town halls. Think about that for a moment.

I did think about it. Showing up with a gun is stupid. Legal, but stupid. Now just because you show up somewhere with a gun is fear mongering?
Yes all those scary people from New Hampshire, watch out.

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And by your own source and admission it was not completely by debate. We did have to fight, yes tactics were involved as they always are. Debate was involved. But to say we became a nation completely on debate is not true.

Cheers

Feel better, you insipid, pedantic fool?

I have ancestors who fought in the revolution: both of my grandmothers were members of the DAR. I understand that our independence was not won with words alone.

But, at the end of the day, the American Revolution was about ideas, not gunfire.

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Newsmax.com

Wednesday July 27 th 2005

Report,Air America Funding Probed

Links help, but I found it through Google. I don't listen to the radio (don't even own one) so all this was news to me.

Evan Montvel Cohen sounds like a first-class douchbag:
In 2003, Cohen was working as Director of Development for the Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Clubs when he and business partner Rex Sorensen, CEO of Sorensen Media Group, created Progress Media Inc. On March 31, 2004, Air America was launched with much fanfare on flagship WLIB in New York City.

Soon afterward it was discovered that Cohen had secured part of the money used to found the network by a loan from his employer, the non-profit Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Clubs.[7][8] Approved by the board of directors and in the amount of $480,000, it went to Cohen's company Progress Media, then owner of Air America Radio. The Gloria Wise group was a non-profit organization, partially funded by the city of New York, which provided services for children and seniors in the Bronx. The city suspended further funding of the agency, and Boys and Girls Clubs of America revoked the group's right to use their name, likeness or logo. When the funds were transferred, Evan Montvel Cohen, was still Director of Development for Gloria Wise. This was part of a larger misappropriation of funds by the organization's executives, which saw several of them receiving money from the organization that was in turned used for personal expenditures.[9] By the time this was revealed, Progress Media Inc. had sold its Air America rights to Piquant LLC (in November 2004), who subsequently agreed to repay Gloria Wise $875,000 worth of the debt, as a condition of the sale.[7][9]

Here's more of the despicable story here. What I don't understand is why it was never prosecuted by Spitzer. Cohen should have been charged with misappropriation of public funds.