The growing violence -- the guns at the Townhalls, the birthers

[lucky8]

Census Worker Hanged: Bill Sparkman Found With "Fed" On Body

extreme...

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Well, I suppose you're too young to remember when the Ohio National Guard used the excuse at Kent State University that "we heard shots, so we fired back" at students protesting Nixon's announcement that he was carpet bombing Cambodia.

I was 7. I vaguely remember my parents being aghast at the images on TV when it happened. I've read about it since and its lessons are not lost on me.

Not that its any comfort to the victims or their families, at least the National Guard is ultimately accountable to elected civilian authorities. That's not true of self-appointed militias who advocate adherence only to selected sections of the Constitution, not the whole package.

This time, however, it'll be some paranoid red neck who insists upon carrying his loaded weapon where ever it is legal in a crowd.

That's what I'm afraid of. And the inevitable reprisals and escalation a la Balkan conflict.

And I'd remind us all that prior to 9/11/2001 the worst act of terrorism in the US was committed by a paranoid red neck wing nut with a truck bomb.

As for me, I've never had to carry a gun 24/7 just to show how patriotic I am or or protect my rights as a red-blooded 'Mericuhn.

I own several guns and that's the way I see it as well.

 

[JTalbain]

What's next? Obama finds a big treasure in the basement of the White House and all the nations economic woes are cured? Maybe that is how he is spending his time, instead of actually getting ANYTHING done.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the subject of legal reform. If something needs to be changed, Congress writes the bill passes it, and then the President signs it. The problem lies in getting Congress to agree on anything. The only things Obama can really do to help on that point are campaign for public support, try to give occassional speeches to Congress to the effect of "Hurry the hell up!", or hold a seance in order to contact the spirit of Lyndon Johnson and ask him for advice.

Your attitude, by the way is exactly what many Republicans in Congress are trying to produce. By deliberately stalling the President's efforts to do anything, they give the impression that he is inactive and uncaring, when in fact, this is true about themselves. The longer they stall, delay, and deny any changes to be made the better likely they are to do in the 2010 elections. Of the Senate seats expected to be up for grabs the Democrats and Republicans have a 50/50 split, giving them a chance to get reinforcements and break the Democrats' filibuster proof Senate. Additionally, every seat in the House is up for grabs every two years, so they can try to take control of the House of Representatives as well.

The Republican party is currently playing fairly hardball, because of their support of conspiracy theorist websites like World Net Daily (which the Republican Party and affiliated organizations advertise on). It is actually causing the GOP to become fairly divided, because those who are less gullible in the party have begun seeing the party's support of such nutjobs as embarassing. Already, some Republican groups are boycotting groups like WND, while others are urging them on. They better watch it. They may be trying to discredit Obama in order to weaken the Democrats, but if their party splits in two over it, they'll leave the Democrats with all the power.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Which part of that sentence is not supported? That you're too young to remember Kent State or that his account is unsupported? The national guard did fire on unarmed students. We have bodies to prove it.

his account of the incident is not supported by the actual reportage and historical texts


He might have been if such things as peaceful protest and assembly weren't Constitutional rights (rights which did not exist in imperial Russia) which were being violated in the most severe manner by the deployment of armed national guardsmen. Armed protest against the government is a very American thing to do. Large numbers of Americans have done it in an organized manner twice before and in a disorganized manner many, many, times before.

the response is disingenuous

there is no question about the right of the people to protest, either peacefully or otherwise, when the government is overstepping its bounds (as the examples of the tea party and the current uproar over the Owe-bama corporate fascist health care bill demonstrate)

what is alien to the American mind-set, and reposes on the Marxist-Leninist predicate of his liberal ideology (and thus merely European), is his implicit acceptance of, and adherence to the idea of a vanguard elite that knows better than the rest of us, indeed upon whom it is incumbent to lead us into revolution

compare:

A vanguard party is a political party at the forefront of a mass action, movement, or revolution. The idea of a vanguard party was developed by http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Vladimir_LeninVladimir Lenin, most prominently in What is to be Done?, a political pamphlet
first published in 1902.

Based on his observations, Lenin shifted the engine of proletarian revolution from the working class to a highly disciplined group of intellectuals. Lenin wrote in What Is to Be Done (1902) that the "history of all countries bears out the fact that through their own powers alone, the working class can develop only a trade-union consciousness." That is, history had demonstrated that the working class could engage in local, spontaneous rebellions to improve its position within the capitalist system but that it lacked the understanding of its interests necessary to overthrow that system. Pessimistic about the proletariat's ability to acquire class consciousness, Lenin argued that revolutionaries with a deep understanding of Marxism could educate and guide the workers towards revolution.

Lenin argued that the bearers of this consciousness were common intellectuals who made it their vocation to both conspire against the capitalist system, educate the public in revolutionary theory, and prepare the workers for the proletarian revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariatDictatorship of the proletariat
In Marxism, the dictatorship of the proletariat denotes the transitional socialist State between the capitalist class society and the classless communist society...

that would follow. Lenin also held that because Marx's thought was set forth in a sophisticated body of philosophical, economic, and social analysis, a high level of intellectual training was required to comprehend it.
Vanguard party: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article


to:

" Then we hit the campuses of the USA with a vengence burning down ROTC buildings and scaring the do-nothing uneducated middle class [emphasis added] to stay in their homes. And we didn't even have to use guns to do that."

the Leninist predicate is both unavoidable and unmistakable

I'd say they are. MLB is more libertarian in social aspects than you are, yet advocates the necessity of government to handle areas that the private sector has not or cannot (such as education, healthcare, and poverty). It's American to accept a broad view of differing opinions, recognizing that each of us has a right to be everything from a Communist to a Fascist and everything in between with each of us expressing our politics in the voting booth.

libertarian, clearly not

that he accepts an agenda of governmental interventions and expansion of of governmental power and reach to implement a Utopian vision, clearly yes

Tolerating these diverse opinions, politics, religions, and respecting our right to exercise any of these in our speech and personal lives, is most American. Declaring that anyone who disagrees with you to be un-American is itself, un-American as it denys the legitimacy of one person to have a differing opinion at all.

indeed

how then is this to be taken:

" Then we hit the campuses of the USA with a vengence burning down ROTC buildings and scaring the do-nothing uneducated middle class [emphasis added] to stay in their homes. And we didn't even have to use guns to do that."

discussion, or coercion?

Chairman Mao: "Political power comes out of the barrel of a gun."

 

[B_VinylBoy]

How nice of you to respond, in your usual dissonance, to someone who recently passed away, NickySixxy. When was that post originally made? September of last year? And NOW you want to respond?

Stay classy, OK?

 

[dreamer20]

Afraid of blacks in uniform , eh? There was nothing intimidating about their apparel. They were men in dark garments wearing black berets just as these persons:

Us black berets image by Nightflyer_photo on Photobucket


It was lawful for them to wear those clothes whether they were outside, inside the building or casting their votes that particular day.

It's no surprise that 2nd amendment endorsing nigraphobes wouldn't be perturbed by Big_E's gun-toting, white collective "we" clad in such garments, yet those same persons think wearing those clothes and possessing a stick, neither of which is illegal, somehow justifies a criminal prosecution in the case of the black beret wearers.

Their apparel was not illegal. Their behavior is what may have been illegal...They also claimed to be "Security," so either they were lying or someone actually hired those two to "protect" that polling place. Who hired them? ...I must deduce that they were lying about that.

No one hired them. They were allowed to stand there, just as the other people in the video could. Furthermore it was established the one who lived in the building, which also housed the polling station, had applied for and was approved to be a poll watcher on election day.
Poll Watcher Rights

I posted that the police determined they did nothing criminal here:
61

The fact that you equate the two Black Panthers with legitimate members of the military is quite disgusting, and clearly shows you thought process. Be proud of it!

What I did was address a false analogy and showed they were dressed in U.S. black beret military uniforms. Neither of us knows if they ever served in the military, but even you noted they wore military uniforms in these posts:1,,,,61,,,,65

Clearly this shows your thought process, eh?:tongue:

 

[B_Nick4444]

How nice of you to respond, in your usual dissonance, to someone who recently passed away, NickySixxy. When was that post originally made? September of last year? And NOW you want to respond?

Stay classy, OK?

actually I wanted to respond immediately, however, having a life prevented me from doing so (we can't all sit down in front of a computer day in, day out), and it rankled having not responded before his unexpected demise

besides, I rather fancy the notion that an aspect of his spirit yet reads up on our postings here

(man, to have him around to respond -- one of the few libs around, here or in real life, that displayed any amount of learning or intelligence, as deficient and limited though it was)

 

[B_VinylBoy]

actually I wanted to respond immediately, however, having a life prevented me from doing so (we can't all sit down in front of a computer day in, day out), and it rankled having not responded before his unexpected demise

Bullshit, son.
It's not as if you have been absent from this board from September 2009 till now. Your so-called life didn't stop you from coming here and spewing nonsense about "lib mentality", and your usual "all Muslims are bad and need to be tortured" rhetoric among other things. All one has to do is look at your post history.

Over 30 pages of posts that you made, in multiple threads, since Jason made that post.

In other words, you didn't respond back then because you were simply outmatched and outclassed. Period. You cannot spin this any other way.

 

[midlifebear]

Nicky poo is a drunken troll. He enjoys it. To give him any more credence than that is just a waste of 0s and 1s.