The healthcare reform bill is shit.

[B_VinylBoy]

Nor do I. I wasn't being apathetically dismissive. I was pointing out that any reforms in this are laughable, because only in America would the situation exist where you could outlaw blatantly disgusting stuff, while shoveling money into the industry that created the situation, and call it "reform".

It's still reform even if it does it in small doses.
I learned a long time ago that you don't always get everything that you want. That makes me thankful for whatever I do get and keeps me striving for more. I mean, we are talking about government here... have they ever been perfect? What makes you think that because Democrats have control of the House & Senate that this was going to be any different?

You don't have to be against the shitty crumbs they left us with to criticize the bill.

Nor do you have to be completely against it just because you were expecting the entire loaf of bread. If I'm guilty of anything it's being optimistic, although I can completely understand why people may be pissed off. Alas I'm sure people will mistake my optimism for blindness, and that just speaks more volumes about their own bitterness.

Please tell me what the step is, that comes after the "further entrench an evil industry by throwing money at them" step?

With comments like this I know trying to make suggestions would be futile. You already have it set in your mind that the bill is crap and no other suggestions anyone like me can make will change that so why should I even bother telling you that regardless of where the bill stands things like the Public Option may come into play at a later date? Common sense should tell anyone of us that this isn't going to be the last thing we hear about HCR.

HCR was never geared to completely cripple the health insurance industry, much to the chagrin of people who just wanted to see a lot of corporate carnage. Most people, regardless of where you stand politically (that includes the "independents") were more caught up on the ideological arguments and not even the contents of the bill. Even I got wrapped up in the ideology of a public option, yet the fact that it currently doesn't have one doesn't make me angry. It's safe to say the rush to push through legislation was a political move just to make sure Democrats have at least one thing to stand on come these next elections. Regardless, the ultimate goal was to get the ball moving forward and this bill does just that. It's a start. I'm actually impressed that Democrats grew a set of balls for once and actually did something. I'll be eager to see where it goes from here.

But if you want a more pessimistic viewpoint, the Democrats are doing it with lube while the Republicans are mad that they can't do it with sandpaper. Meanwhile, the Independents are complaining they don't get a chance to penetrate yet didn't even bring a dildo to the orgy. We can either complain about what the bill should have been, or think about what it could become and wait for our next opportunity to do something about it.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Many are born into poverty, where the option of having health care is not available. By all means, hate the bill for whatever reason you wish. But don't blame other people for it.

If people cannot afford to provide the housing, education, and health care necessary to rear a child, they shouldn't be bearing children

If a person doesn't follow a healthy lifestyle (proper nutrition, exercise, et al), I should not be required to pay for their degenerate lifestyle

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^You're living in the wrong country then.

specific enough -- just the very concept is crap enough

And what concept is that?

 

[B_Nick4444]

^You're living in the wrong country then.




And what concept is that?

the quaint Bolshevist notion of national health care

 

[B_VinylBoy]

If people cannot afford to provide the housing, education, and health care necessary to rear a child, they shouldn't be bearing children

If a person doesn't follow a healthy lifestyle (proper nutrition, exercise, et al), I should not be required to pay for their degenerate lifestyle

Spoken like a truly ignorant son of a b****.
You want to start administering some kind of checklist to people now, based on some fictitious standards held in your own mind about who gets the right to procreate? Gee, where do we begin... Provide housing? Tell that to people who decide to create overpriced condos in poor areas that benefit nobody instead of the people who work multiple jobs just to pay the rent. Education? Considering that you don't have one worth a damn, I find it hysterical that you think you can actually make a judgement call on such grounds. Healthy lifestyle? Did you forget that you're a dicksucker too, Mary? You're too stupid to even realize that you'd fall victim to your own bigoted ideology. In the same desperate breath you emit to express a need for standards, you would essentially play yourself out. Congratulations!!

Seriously, what the hell do you think you pay around here? Who do you think, with your putrid amount of tax dollars you pay on April 15th, benefits from your contributions? Who dropped you on your head and made you so stupid? Please... tell us all your plights so that we can try to at least hold an ounce a pity for your continued ignorance.

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

If people cannot afford to provide the housing, education, and health care necessary to rear a child, they shouldn't be bearing children

If a person doesn't follow a healthy lifestyle (proper nutrition, exercise, et al), I should not be required to pay for their degenerate lifestyle

Proper nutrition and excersise??!!!?? people who cant pay their bills arnt going to buy fucking free range and a gym membership!

Also, i think you will find the vast majority of the poor in need of medical care, are suffering because of their living conditions, not their degenrate lifestyle. If your government built proper housing for people that kept them dry and warm, there would probably be alot less ill in the US.




I hate this fucking conservative nonsense that the poor are to blame for thier poverty. Its beyond ignorant.

 

[Industrialsize]

If people cannot afford to provide the housing, education, and health care necessary to rear a child, they shouldn't be bearing children

If a person doesn't follow a healthy lifestyle (proper nutrition, exercise, et al), I should not be required to pay for their degenerate lifestyle

Well then we should just go and sterilize all welfare recipients.

 

[B_Nick4444]

to which we reply "Bollocks!"

it is cheaper to eat correctly; how much does it cost to walk, run around the park? pull oneself away from the telly?

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

Well then we should just go and sterilize all welfare recipients.

Dont put "good" ideas in his head.:tongue:

 

[B_Nick4444]

Well then we should just go and sterilize all welfare recipients.

aha!

an admission that the liberal welfare state is creating a huge underclass of second-rate citizens?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

aha!

an admission that the liberal welfare state is creating a huge underclass of second-rate citizens?

No, bigot... it's basically what you'd vote for if a politician with your flawed ideologies ever got into power. Let's not try to reposition this into a liberal rant.

 

[B_Nick4444]

first, the reason health care has become so problematic is because of the pricing distortions caused by medicare and medicaid

to which you would want to address by giving more power over to the entity that created the problem in the first place

a lib disaster all the way around

 

[D_Andreas Sukov]

to which we reply "Bollocks!"

it is cheaper to eat correctly; how much does it cost to walk, run around the park? pull oneself away from the telly?

Its isnt cheaper to eat an "appropriate diet". Believe it or not, but decent fruit and vegtables and meat cost money. However, cheap manufactured crap from tins, is dirt cheap.

Yeah you can run around the park, but again, you have failed to adress the truth that that wouldnt solve half the illnesses people have.


With the way random police searches go, id imagine alot of poor people would have had a resounding success if they do a lap without being stopped atleast 3 times or arrested.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

first, the reason health care has become so problematic is because of the pricing distortions caused by medicare and medicaid

Bullshit.
Private insurance companies control their pricing. That's the main reason why they're "private" to begin with. The reasons why they go up is because they want to see bigger profits every quarter. If they made one billion this time around, they would not settle for making a half a billion the next time around. It's GREED. Plain and simple. Rants about Medicare & Medicaid in this scenario are bullshit, especially since I've paid into the system and people like you will probably use it all up before I become eligible for it.

to which you would want to address by giving more power over to the entity that created the problem in the first place

Honestly, you don't know who or what I would want to give power to in this situation so shut up.

 

[conntom]

waa waa waa sorry you have a black president.

That is the battle cry of the friggin left. You people fall back on that so if anyone disagrees with this Pres then that person is a racist.

Bullcrap.


More racism showed up in the people who voted for him because he was black. That was a horrible reason to vote for this guy.

Colin Powell should have run. THAT guy knows what it means to go to war and WIN the war and puts his troops first. Something W. and Obama failed and fail to do properly.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

That is the battle cry of the friggin left. You people fall back on that so if anyone disagrees with this Pres then that person is a racist.

Bullcrap.

More racism showed up in the people who voted for him because he was black. That was a horrible reason to vote for this guy.

Colin Powell should have run. THAT guy knows what it means to go to war and WIN the war and puts his troops first. Something W. and Obama failed and fail to do properly.

Well, perhaps if the GOP would have nominated Powell, then perhaps we may have had a chance to vote for him? Perhaps if the GOP actually listened to the man in 2008, instead of brushing him off to the side like every other minority in the last election, the results in November would have been different? Alas, that didn't happen now... DID IT?

The same way you assume people voted for Obama because he was black, we can easily make the same ignorant assumption that you voted for McCain/Palin because they were White. If you deny this, you could have still voted based on your own bigotry towards Democrats/Liberals which is just as shameful. So take your pick... either way, you still look foolish. BTW, my initial vote was for Clinton, so think very carefully on your response.

 

[deleted15807]

first, the reason health care has become so problematic is because of the pricing distortions caused by medicare and medicaid

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a lib disaster all the way around

This is represents the REAL Republican Party. The dirty little secret they only share in private and on big penis websites apparently. They want to dismantle everything from the New Deal forward that was enacted to help the lower and middle classes and take us back to the Robber Baron days, they love and adore the Lochner Era. The economic inequality of the period is indeed preferred to the current socialist/Marxist/communist redirection of wealth to those who don't deserve it (read minorities).

 

[midlifebear]

First, dear Sargon, thanks for posting the op ed piece by Frank Rich, but most of these folks have a much lower Gunning Fog Index and cannot understand what Mr. Rich wrights.

Second, I'll be happy to start a fund to "sterilize" Nick of the sixes if anyone else thinks it might help him. It wouldn't be hard. Just slip him a couple of rufies while he's drinking to knock him out. Spirit him across the border into Nuevo Loredo (Nicky poo lives in San Antonio, so Mexico is REAL close), and I bet we could get him spayed and back home in less than 24 hours.

Most dogs seem to calm down and present better house behavior as well as becoming real social after having their balls cut off. It's just a suggestion. :smile:

 

[StormfrontFL]

If people cannot afford to provide the housing, education, and health care necessary to rear a child, they shouldn't be bearing children

If a person doesn't follow a healthy lifestyle (proper nutrition, exercise, et al), I should not be required to pay for their degenerate lifestyle

Please keep drinking. Imagine a world in which an alcoholic, side of the road closeted cocksucker has the nerve to call someone else's lifestyle degenerate. You need help Nicky(sad, sad man that you are)

 

[midlifebear]

First, dear Sargon, thanks for posting the op ed piece by Frank Rich, but most of these LPSG-er folks have a much lower Gunning Fog Index and cannot understand what Mr. Rich writes.

Second, I'll be happy to start a "sterilize" Nick of the sixes fund if anyone else thinks it might help him. It wouldn't be hard. Just slip him a couple of rufies while he's drinking to knock him out. Spirit him across the border into Nuevo Loredo (Nicky poo lives in San Antonio, so Mexico is REAL close), and I bet we could get him spayed and back home in less than 24 hours.

Most dogs seem to calm down and present better house behavior as well as becoming real social after having their balls cut off. They're usually happier and live longer, too. It's just a suggestion. :smile: