The Justice Party: Rocky Anderson

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  1. Smaccoms

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    What do people think? What have you heard? The Justice party is a newly created third party; they are nominating Rocky Anderson as their candidate for president. He is one of the most liberal mayors from Utah (of Salt Lake City: 2000-2008). After that, he worked with the High Road for Human Rights, which I believe he helped to create while in term. This group believes politicians need to be pushed into doing the right thing for the people.

    Anyway, what do people think of this guy? He thinks he can win the race and become president, despite the failure of previous third parties. So far, he looks like a better candidate when compared even to Obama.
     
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    Bump? Does no one care? Im shocked!
     
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    OK I'll bite.

    "... Thad Hall, a political science professor at the University of Utah, said Anderson is mounting a far-fetched, quixotic crusade.

    Hall said states make it difficult to get on the ballot, and it’s even more difficult to win.

    “Basically what Rocky is saying is he wants a bunch of Republicans to get elected,” Hall said, “because what’s going to happen in theses situations … he’s going to peel votes away from Democrats and end up electing a bunch of ultra-pro-life, ultra-gun, don’t-tax-the-rich, cut-benefits-to-the-poor people.”

    Hall said American political parties are also well-branded and people “are well-sorted” into the Democrat or Republican bin. Few are truly independent, and “competing against their branding is going to be really frigging hard” and require an enormous amount of money. ..."


    That excerpt from the article basically echos some of my feelings. It would be like Ralph Nader in 2000 all over again. People are so f'in fickle. President Obama has accomplished more positive, progressive initiatives in 3 YEARS then any other President in history during the same period of time. Despite his own party's dysfunctional, fractured agenda and an opposing party that has raised obstruction to a way of life, he still prevailed and actually out smarted his opponents into bipartisanship.

    Even if you want to say he has not been tough enough, and he has comprised too soon and too much, the plain fact is the the other side of the aisle is foaming at the mouth over his achievements, while the progressives in his party bellyache and whine that he isn't what they thought he would be. REALLY! If this were Gore or Kerry or even H.Clinton, would they be trash talking. I believe not. They would all be patted on the back and supported for a job well done. Just like W.Clinton was.

    Honestly, would we really be better of with a President Romney or Gingrich or Perry? As far as I am concerned the American public should take the blame for 1) electing GWB twice and 2) flipping control of the House of Representative in 2010.

    So, with the Kook brothers buying votes, State legislatures placing barriers to register and exercise the vote, and this new Liberal third party waste of time and effort that will siphon off votes, its just like handing the country over to the 1%.

    Think of it in these term: You are really thirsty. You are offered a glass of water. It is half full. Do you drink it and ask for more or do you take a sip or two, refuse to finish, and turn down the offer of a second half glass. Now if you finish the half glass and take and finish the next half glass you just got a full glass of water. Which was way more than was offered previously, which caused the thirst in the first place.

    I would have more respect for Anderson and the Justice Party if they went in and challenged Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats and won and reinforced the liberal wing of Congress and made President Obama's next term less contentious. If they proved they could back up their rhetoric half as well as the President, I would take them more seriously. Now, they are just another aid to preventing President O's second term and handing the Kook brothers and co. full government control
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    I just thought it would be a topic people might like to discuss. I never meant to imply I knew everything and my opinion was the best. It appears some subjects I present in a new thread aren't ones people wish to discuss. When someone does reply, it's in the form of an attack for me being so foolish. At least, that seems to be an implication here.

    My opinion thus far is this: if he could win, I would prefer him in office.

    It goes without saying I don't know everything there is know about these candidates. But I also believe this: Settling for the status quo is just not something I'm okay with. That's part of the point of OWS, isn't? I believe the current state of affairs in America isn't good enough. That's why I'm willing to put my faith into this: I have to believe real change is possible.

    If you think I'm an idiot for believing that, than so be it. I am not willing to compromise on my beliefs if the reasoning behind said compromise is that I should be happy and support the status quo. To that I have one thing to say: I refuse. It's that over-arching belief which got our political system here in the first place. I refuse to support that.

    We'll see what happens in the next few months. It'll be an eventful year, 2012, don't you think?
     
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    Smaccoms, I was not attacking you, I was strongly disagreeing with the premise and promise of Anderson and the Justice Party as a viable and worthwhile effort in the upcoming 2012 Presidential election. I understand being true to your convictions and I am not disagreeing that the system needs serious fixing. Could Anderson do this? I don't see him as being able to win. He would most likely be a spoiler to President Obama. If you could be happy with a repeat of the Bush years on steroids, then that is your right and privilege. If you believe a McCain-Palin administration would have made the same accomplishments as the Obama-Biden administration, then I understand your disappointment. If President Obama's effort to be a bipartisan President is no different than Bush's single minded efforts, then there has been no change. If you believe that Speaker Boner has been as effective as Speaker Pelosi, than the Status Quo has remained untouched.

    And unless there were some serious additions of JP members to Congress, he would have to work without benefit of a supporting party. Just saying, sometimes taking the time to get it right is better than aiming for a quick fix.

    OK! Barack Obama has not been a extreme left, liberal President. On the other hand we finally have a national healthcare system. DADT was removed. The troops are back from Iraq. Bin Laden is no longer a threat. And the economy is steadily growing as opposed to the decline under Bush2. IN LESS THAN 3 YEARS WITH A LESS THAN FULLY COOPERATIVE CONGRESS!! I would like to see what he could do with full congressional support. HELL, with just the same Congressional cooperation that Bush had for 8 years. That is just what my thought are which I believe you solicited. Attacking other posters is not my style but I do have very strong beliefs which I share from time to time.

    Thanks for bringing Anderson and the JP to my attention. I have not heard much about this elsewhere just so far. Continue to feel free to post things as you are inspired. Even without feedback you may still be informing others who are not so inclined to post but enjoy the forum - been there done that.
     
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    Challenging the President from the far left is not the way to bring about change. All that will happen is a divide amongst Dems that will result in a GOP win. What is needed is a challenge to GOP congressional candidates and also to blue dog Dems during their primaries. If we can get more people like Bernie Sanders in office then we may see real changes in Washington.
     
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    You lost me at "far left" and "from utah".

    Now THAT is an oxymoron.
     
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    See, that was my original thought, but then I told myself I didn't know enough about politics/geography to really make that assumption. It's true from what I can tell though.
     
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    @ Q Vee: That's the biggest doubt I have about The Justice Party at this point. How do you go from creation of the party to winning the presidential election in just under a year? I suppose it's a specific strategy: build the politicians for the party from the top cascading downward. This is a common problems in politics from what I hear: looking forward only to the next election.

    We don't actually know who the Republican candidate is yet, do we? I can say I don't like any of them myself. I can agree on a few issues with Ron Paul, but not most. He is interesting to research though. Between Democrats and Republicans only, I would prefer Obama. This is part of the reason I want to register myself as independent rather than affiliated with any party.

    I suppose my focus has become "How do we change/fix the system?" rather than "How do we prevent the situation from becoming worse?" I refuse to accept settling with the status quo, but obviously letting any of the Republican candidates win over Obama (and Anderson) would be terrifying. Obama HAS had some positive affects in Washington, though I will admit I would prefer a more left candidate.

    It seems a catch 22 has been entered, and this is part of my point. We've got to do something to escape the loop, right?

    Also, thank you for clarifying you were not attacking me, and for your other encouragements. I am very much more secure in my endeavors to discuss this topic now!
     
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    Historically third parties tend to not fare well........Teddy Roosevelt, Ross Periot, to some extent Ralph Nader. That not to say at some point in time they may work, the Whigs have not been around for a while.
     
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    That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!:biggthumpup2:.
     
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    I am always glad to see the younger folks interested in the political scene. So many are disenchanted and disaffected and I feel they are missing out on being part of the process. An older, former coworker of mine told me, at a couple of years younger than your age: "if you have not used your right to vote, you forfeit your right to complain." He also challenged me to pick a party, in his words "to take a stand." I did not change to Democrat until 2008, to vote for Barack in the primary, but I concur with his assertion on voting validating your right to complain. Just passing on some political insight.

    Also glad we cleared the air. Seems we are not that far apart, just the hopeful exuberance of youth versus the tempered hopefulness of someone older. Keep up your efforts.
     
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    I would just observe that the established parties rule just so long as they represent a significant block of the population. If a new candidate comes along with different views he is unlikely to do well unless the public has already moved in his direction. But if they have, then the established parties had better watch out.
     
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    That's my fear.
    He will have the kind of effect Ralph Nader had.
    I consider this kind of candidacy selfish and short-sighted.
    If he had a reasonable prospect of winning, that's one thing.
    But if he simply siphons off votes from Obama, he will help the Republican candidate get elected.
    If he's of the left, that should be the last thing he wants.
     
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    There is no chance this whats-his-name would be the next President. We are in a fairly conservative era politically. When BH Obama is quite successfully painted as a socialist, a far left liberal would get slaughtered.
     
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    I couldn't agree more. Get those spoiled brat T party people outta there. They are ridiculous.
     
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    As I said, do the existing parties represent the people? Is the 'occupy...' protest movement another storm at a teaparty, or could it gain majority support? If it could, then he could win. If not, then he will not.

    It is a very difficult concept in a democracy to claim that someone standing for election is being selfish and short sighted. Maybe what you mean is that actually the US is not a functional democracy?
     
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    I haven't spoken with anyone for the Occupy Movement, but my sense is that they are savvy enough to figure out where their best interests lie and it sure is not to the Right. Given time and if they continue to come together and mobilize, they could be a force in the political landscape. I just do not see it this year.
     
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    I actually think a third and even a 4th part would be great...but what they all fail to see is that you can't just jump in at the highest level. That'll never work. They(other political parties) need to focus on the local and state levels...winning and gaining influence...then when the time and place is right run someone for Congress....someone and some place where they could actually win. Now this is not something that would happen overnight....we're talking about many years of hard work.
     
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