The last 48 hours or so

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

Right... and the bank bailout happened under a Democrat?

Oh wait, no, that was Bush. I admit he didn't look so much like the fiscally-responsible type, but he wasn't a Democrat.

Where did you get that I said a Democrat was President during the bank bailout? I didn't. I was pointing out an economic factor. Congress had hoped to fix things but it didn't happen. The bank bailout did happen with key Democrat Senators such as Dodd involved. They had no idea the banks would be that corrupt. I placed no blame on them. I placed it on the banks. You are arguing about something that isn't even an attack on the Democrats.

 

[joyboytoy79]

Where did you get that I said a Democrat was President during the bank bailout? I didn't. I was pointing out an economic factor. Congress had hoped to fix things but it didn't happen. The bank bailout did happen with key Democrat Senators such as Dodd involved. They had no idea the banks would be that corrupt. I placed no blame on them. I placed it on the banks. You are arguing about something that isn't even an attack on the Democrats.

What I replied to was a response by you to something about Presidents. Sargon said the economy tends to be better under democratic presidents, and then you refuted him with your little line about the bank bail out. It sounded to me like you were trying to pin that on a Democrat president. If you were not, then I apologize for making you explain yourself more clearly.

 

[Industrialsize]

Here's a speech that Ted Kennedy made in 1995 after the Democrats lost control during the midterm elections of Bill Clinton's Presidency. It still has meaning to me today as I re-read it today(It's a little long, but worth the read):
What Democrats Should Fight For:

Principle is the Best Politics



I come here as a Democrat. I reject such qualifiers as New Democrat or Old Democrat or Neo-Democrat. I am committed to the enduring principles of the Democratic Party, and I am proud of its great tradition of service to the people who are the heart and strength of this nation -- working families and the middle class.
I would have lost in Massachusetts if I had done what Democrats who were defeated in other parts of the country too often tried to do.
I was behind in mid-September. But I believe I won because I ran for health reform, not away from it. I ran for a minimum wage increase, not against it. I continued to talk about issues like jobs, aid to education, and job training. And I attacked Republican proposals to tilt the tax code to the most privileged of our people.
I stood against limiting welfare benefits if a mother has another child, and I will stand against any other harsh proposals that aim at the mother but hit and hurt innocent children. I spoke out for gun control, and against reactionary Republican proposals to abandon crime prevention as a weapon in the war on crime. I rejected the Republican double standard that welcomes government as benign when it subsidizes the affluent, but condemns government as the enemy when it helps the poor.
I ran as a Democrat in belief as well as name. This turned out to be not only right in principle -- it was also the best politics..........

Kennedy Democrats Fight

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

What I replied to was a response by you to something about Presidents. Sargon said the economy tends to be better under democratic presidents, and then you refuted him with your little line about the bank bail out. It sounded to me like you were trying to pin that on a Democrat president. If you were not, then I apologize for making you explain yourself more clearly.

I didn't refute anything Sargon said on that. Peeps need to put their emotions in check, and read what is posted. Don't assume anything ask questions.
I was pointing out how Congress expected the banks to do what they were supposed too, and they didn't. Congress was clueless as to what was going to happen.

 

[D_Bob_Crotchitch]

The Kennedys always were great speakers. It sounds great but being he grew up in great wealth, and had a protected multi-million dollar trust fund, to me kind of discredits his speech on the wealthy. The wealthy that get hit are the working class peeps who are in higher salary positions. It doesn't hit the Mega wealthy who have protected trust funds.

Here's a speech that Ted Kennedy made in 1995 after the Democrats lost control during the midterm elections of Bill Clinton's Presidency. It still has meaning to me today as I re-read it today(It's a little long, but worth the read):
What Democrats Should Fight For:

Principle is the Best Politics



I come here as a Democrat. I reject such qualifiers as New Democrat or Old Democrat or Neo-Democrat. I am committed to the enduring principles of the Democratic Party, and I am proud of its great tradition of service to the people who are the heart and strength of this nation -- working families and the middle class.
I would have lost in Massachusetts if I had done what Democrats who were defeated in other parts of the country too often tried to do.
I was behind in mid-September. But I believe I won because I ran for health reform, not away from it. I ran for a minimum wage increase, not against it. I continued to talk about issues like jobs, aid to education, and job training. And I attacked Republican proposals to tilt the tax code to the most privileged of our people.
I stood against limiting welfare benefits if a mother has another child, and I will stand against any other harsh proposals that aim at the mother but hit and hurt innocent children. I spoke out for gun control, and against reactionary Republican proposals to abandon crime prevention as a weapon in the war on crime. I rejected the Republican double standard that welcomes government as benign when it subsidizes the affluent, but condemns government as the enemy when it helps the poor.
I ran as a Democrat in belief as well as name. This turned out to be not only right in principle -- it was also the best politics..........

Kennedy Democrats Fight

 

[Industrialsize]

The Kennedys always were great speakers. It sounds great but being he grew up in great wealth, and had a protected multi-million dollar trust fund, to me kind of discredits his speech on the wealthy. The wealthy that get hit are the working class peeps who are in higher salary positions. It doesn't hit the Mega wealthy who have protected trust funds.

Did you read the entire speech?? There's a link to it.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Pfft. Yawn. I'm just enjoying the "democrat destruction" show. Did you see "Angry Obama" on the news yesterday? What a loser.

So, no rebuttal? Nothing of any substance to counteract the additional facts I provided? Feeling a little "pissed off" that I brought clarity to your distorted, hazy rhetoric? Can't come up with anything better than a lame ass excuse about an "angry Obama"? Yeah, I thought so... chump.

Thank you for admitting defeat, Trinity Jr. Next victim, please.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

So, no rebuttal? Nothing of any substance to counteract the additional facts I provided? Feeling a little "pissed off" that I brought clarity to your distorted, hazy rhetoric? Can't come up with anything better than a lame ass excuse about an "angry Obama"? Yeah, I thought so... chump.

Thank you for admitting defeat, Trinity Jr. Next victim, please.

No, I decided that discussing anything with somebody so blind was simply a waste of my time.

You can tilt at another windmill. (Might I suggest our lying, ineffective president?)

 

[B_VinylBoy]

No, I decided that discussing anything with somebody so blind was simply a waste of my time.

Which is why you responded to me again, right?
Shut up, Trinity Jr. You're not fooling anyone. Right now, you're just trying to get the last word, and for some sadistic reason I just don't like feel like giving it to you. :tongue:

You can tilt at another windmill. (Might I suggest our lying, ineffective president?)

You can try getting a clue that goes beyond binary. Might I suggest taking your head out of your blindly conservative ass and seeing what life really is from multiple angles?

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Which is why you responded to me again, right?
Shut up, Trinity Jr. You're not fooling anyone. Right now, you're just trying to get the last word, and for some sadistic reason I just don't like feel like giving it to you. :tongue:



You can try getting a clue that goes beyond binary. Might I suggest taking your head out of your blindly conservative ass and seeing what life really is from multiple angles?

Failed Healthcare. yawn.

 

[seterwind]

It is truly sickening that people can be brainwashed into thinking "Yay Healthcare is DEAD! Another Victory for us!"

I mean, seriously you can actually cheer on the death of millions from common ailments because your party isn't the one to purpose it/ hasn't done a thing to fix it in many many years? Because your party is against this it must be bad. I find it sickening that people cheer "Failed Healthcare". Obviously they are too blind to see the repercussions, go volunteer in a hospital for awhile, see the pain and then say "Failed Healthcare" to their face and be proud.

 

[deleted15807]

I mean, seriously you can actually cheer on the death of millions from common ailments because your party isn't the one to purpose it/ hasn't done a thing to fix it in many many years?

Those dead people must be poor and they're poor because they are irresponsible and shiftless. Let them eat cake.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

It is truly sickening that people can be brainwashed into thinking "Yay Healthcare is DEAD! Another Victory for us!"

I mean, seriously you can actually cheer on the death of millions from common ailments because your party isn't the one to purpose it/ hasn't done a thing to fix it in many many years? Because your party is against this it must be bad. I find it sickening that people cheer "Failed Healthcare". Obviously they are too blind to see the repercussions, go volunteer in a hospital for awhile, see the pain and then say "Failed Healthcare" to their face and be proud.

Since you feel so strongly, I think you should write your congressman, senator, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. They are the ones who can't get healthcare reform passed, despite majorities in both houses and the white house. They should be the ones you are angry at, not me. I'm just a spectator to the process, and vote my one vote during elections. Your real frustration should be with the democrats in power. Sure, you can blame the Republicans, but they still are the minority in congress. Now, maybe if the democrats realize they COULD pass a moderate health care reform bill, they may be able to get everyone on board, but they CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE to keep Republicans out of the process and jam it through as a partisan measure. The DEMS made it an partisan issue. Remember, they had the Olympia Snowe vote IN HAND an then Harry Reid changed things behind closed doors that lost her vote. So, yeah, blame the party represented by the jackass.

And I'm not against health care reform, we NEED IT in this country, I am just against the bribes, giveaways, fiscal irresponsibility and overreaching theme of the CURRENT healthcare bill.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Failed Healthcare. yawn.

Still on the table. Next time you open your mouth, do something useful like put a dick in it.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Still on the table. Next time you open your mouth, do something useful like put a dick in it.

You are delusional. In its current form, or anything the dems would deem "substantive," it's dead.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You are delusional.

Last time I checked, you're the one making predictions. Only delusional people would call something dead before it actually is. Until it is actually voted on, turned down and rejected, you're just talking shit as usual... because that's all a partisan hack like you can do.

In its current form, or anything the dems would deem "substantive," it's dead.

Lather, rise, repeat. I still see you can't come up with anything of substance, so again... thank you for admitting defeat.

 

[B_starinvestor]

It is truly sickening that people can be brainwashed into thinking "Yay Healthcare is DEAD! Another Victory for us!"

I mean, seriously you can actually cheer on the death of millions from common ailments because your party isn't the one to purpose it/ hasn't done a thing to fix it in many many years? Because your party is against this it must be bad. I find it sickening that people cheer "Failed Healthcare". Obviously they are too blind to see the repercussions, go volunteer in a hospital for awhile, see the pain and then say "Failed Healthcare" to their face and be proud.

I see you are from Canada.

No one is cheering for the failing of healthcare. The cheering is for the failure of this particular bill. It doesn't fix anything. It was basically written by lobbyists. It's an extremely expensive car that doesn't run.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

No one is cheering for the failing of healthcare.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y

It doesn't fix anything. It was basically written by lobbyists. It's an extremely expensive car that doesn't run.

It fixes some things and leaves major holes for health insurance companies to exploit in its current form. Hence why we need to see what can be done about it in reconciliation. If we've come this far, we should see it through to the very end before we decide to say yes or no on it.

 

[B_starinvestor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHV4nDS501Y



It fixes some things and leaves major holes for health insurance companies to exploit in its current form. Hence why we need to see what can be done about it in reconciliation. If we've come this far, we should see it through to the very end before we decide to say yes or no on it.

You should ask more of your government than 'fixing some things.'

Obviously, it is easy to glean from this and several other posts you have made recently, your expectations of government have fallen precipitously over the last year. Almost like a football coach that would be pleased if his players just showed up to practice.

When you expect mediocrity, that is exactly what you will get.

Do you think MLK, Jr., just tried to get a couple guys to quit fighting? Do you think Abe Lincoln just wanted to free a few slaves? Do you think Bill Gates wanted to 'sell a few computers?'

 

[maxcok]

The Kennedys always were great speakers. It sounds great but being he grew up in great wealth, and had a protected multi-million dollar trust fund, to me kind of discredits his speech on the wealthy. The wealthy that get hit are the working class peeps who are in higher salary positions. It doesn't hit the Mega wealthy who have protected trust funds.

I think it's unfair to criticize anyone for an accident of birth, for better or for worse. I could give you a long list of people with great wealth who have done much good in our country. There's a whole raft of Kennedys who have done so. For starters, Ted and Bobby, who did as much as anybody to champion the concerns of the poor and the disenfranchised. And since you like their speeches so much, here's a little line from Jack, speaking on January 9, 1961:

"For of those to whom much is given, much is required."​

I'd say those boys more than lived up to their obligations.
Too bad Jack and Bobby never got to reach their full potential.
You should give them credit.

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