The Loose Pussy

[petite]

This is unethical practice and you or your husband should report him to the Board of Medical Ethics where you live.

My father is a careerlong member of the ethics committee of the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, so I know I am speaking the truth.

It's commonly done and it's been done for a long time. It's called The Husband's Knot.

However, the problem after her tear might not be due to the husband's knot. A lot of women suffer a lot of complications due to tearing, too. I don't think that the final results are always predictable. NotPunny actually got lucky to some extent. Some women suffer from anal incontinence or pain during sex or an inability to sit comfortably from tearing from a large baby. Some women require two or three additional surgeries to correct the end result of tearing and healing improperly or to remove problematic scar tissue. Severe tears just can't be repaired very easily and with a lot of success. A lot of women lose sensation, the ability to control their muscles in the vagina, the anal sphincter, and/or the urethra.

There are a lot of first hand accounts of what it's like to suffer from severe tearing here in the comments:

I'm scared of tearing again -- should I have a c-section? | BabyCenter

(And also a lot of women gave advice who obviously didn't have a severe tear who shouldn't be handing out advice, but who are so adamant about "natural" birth and so anti-doctor that they proselytize to everyone even though they really don't know what they're talking about. It's an epidemic, I'm telling you. )

Edit: Well, I'm not so sure about the commonness of the Husband's Knot now. I googled it. Some sites say that a doctor won't do it now without consulting you first, but there are a lot of first hand accounts of women saying that their own doctors told them that he was giving them the "husband's knot" to help them out while they were doing the stitching, without asking first. This article on post-pregnancy sex in Psychology Today also says that it isn't common practice any more. So I guess it just depends on who your doctor is, but it sounds like a lot of doctors still do it, but maybe a lot fewer than they used to. However, I know that scar tissue and healing from episiotomies or tearing can do terrible things and leave women with lasting damage. Even just damage from the stretching and shearing forces of vaginal birth can permanently damage nerves, without actual perineal tearing or an episiotomy. I read a few research studies about that.

 

[Empathizer]

Common or not, it's still against the Code of Ethics of the ACOG, and doing it without consent is grounds for a hearing and for possible loss of license. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. These doctors are just as slimy as the ones who diagnose high schoolers with perfectly normal neurochemistry with ADHD so that Junior can get into a better school. The problem is, not enough women take their own problems seriously enough to report these vile scalpel-wielding frauds. It's a violation of trust and the sanctity of the Hippocratic Oath. The OB/GYN is there for ther woman. If he's doing anything for the benefit of the husband, it's a violation of the woman's civil rights. Even if he gets her to sign a form, she's under anesthesia. She can't legally consent. These, too, are facts, not opinions.

 

[Enid]

Some vagina's [sic] feel very firm when not aroused, but in a state of arousal, from tall, short, fat, slim, they all seem quite simular [sic], of course with variations, but I have yet to encounter a gapping [sic], fapping, loose vagina.

I have encountered a gaping maw of a pussy. It was so loose...

Wait, so first you say you have yet to encounter what you call a loose vagina but then you say you encountered a gaping maw of a vagina. Is it just me or are these 2 proclamations in direct conflict with each other?

 

[tgirlsrgreat]

Wait, so first you say you have yet to encounter what you call a loose vagina but then you say you encountered a gaping maw of a vagina. Is it just me or are these 2 proclamations in direct conflict with each other?

he's done this on numerous posts as well as digging up threads over two years old, just to yap about his penis which seems to vary, in his mind from being quite the prize to being tiny (sph groupie) and no verified pics.:wank:methinks

 

[waldoshint]

Hah, does this mean it's wrong to be turned on by em? I hate the typical "perfect" pornstar vag, bo-ring!

 

[timentalent]

I know there are different size pussies. Sometimes I attribute it to age sometimes to childbirth and sometimes to weight. Fat pussy feels the best to me. Consider also that I am not as big as most men on this site.

 

[petite]

Common or not, it's still against the Code of Ethics of the ACOG, and doing it without consent is grounds for a hearing and for possible loss of license. This isn't an opinion. It's a fact. These doctors are just as slimy as the ones who diagnose high schoolers with perfectly normal neurochemistry with ADHD so that Junior can get into a better school. The problem is, not enough women take their own problems seriously enough to report these vile scalpel-wielding frauds. It's a violation of trust and the sanctity of the Hippocratic Oath. The OB/GYN is there for ther woman. If he's doing anything for the benefit of the husband, it's a violation of the woman's civil rights. Even if he gets her to sign a form, she's under anesthesia. She can't legally consent. These, too, are facts, not opinions.

I don't think that it is considered unethical, I think it just has an offensive popular name. The Husband's Knot appears to be the common name for the "Crown Stitch" for repairing the [SIZE=-1]bulbocavernosus muscles and it's still recommended. The reason why it's recommended isn't for the husband's benefit, it's to repair the muscle if it's been torn or cut during childbirth or to repair vaginal wall prolapses or an anal fistula, but it's also commonly believed to also make the vagina tighter, which is considered a beneficial side effect, and it's probably the reason for the "wink and a smile" at the husband (probably by older doctors who don't realize how many young women today would find that sort of joke offensive, I suspect.)

I found a lot of recommendations that doctors should use it for the repair of episiotomies in recent journals, like this one:

[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The bulbocavernosus muscles, which surround the vaginal orifice, should
be sutured together into the central raphe using the “crown” stitch. -
[/SIZE]from Episiotomy and vaginal trauma

JR Scott - Obstetrics and gynecology clinics of North America, 2005


According to the Repair of Episiotomy, First and Second Degree Tears (2007) by Christine Kettle and Dee E. Fenner, pain from an episiotomy continues for up to 18 months for 10% of women who have had one. It sounds like Not_Punny was one of the unlucky 10% who have long term pain.

 

[Empathizer]

But if it's done for the woman's health, it's not the same thing as you originally mentioned.

 

[petite]

But if it's done for the woman's health, it's not the same thing as you originally mentioned.

I didn't mean to mislead you. I've just read the same story about 100,000 times already and I knew that she was talking about the "husband knot" and what it does and what it's for. I think that calling it the "husband's knot" is also the reason why it's so misunderstood and the reason why so many women blame it for sexual problems after childbirth, when that's really an avoidable problem for so many women if you needed stitching and you have scar tissue down there.

 

[Empathizer]

No problem. I forget sometimes that other women didn't grow up having dads who had to yell over the Sunday morning Dim Sum ruckus into their cell phones about patients with fistulae (ahhhh, the rewards of Medical School -- He's in the middle of eating a red bean sweet bun and he has to talk about gynecological surgery complications in front of his wife and kids... On his "day off").

 

[petite]

No problem. I forget sometimes that other women didn't grow up having dads who had to yell over the Sunday morning Dim Sum ruckus into their cell phones about patients with fistulae (ahhhh, the rewards of Medical School -- He's in the middle of eating a red bean sweet bun and he has to talk about gynecological surgery complications in front of his wife and kids... On his "day off").

Bwahahaha! That sounds hilarious! :lmao:

This stuff is the reason why I'm having a c-section! My hips are 13" wide, my vagina doesn't appear to be very stretchy (we keep trying fisting and failing), and the baby is already 30% larger than average. I'm a small person carrying a big baby! When I told my OB that I wanted one, she immediately agreed. The very first thing she mentioned was tearing, and I was like, "Yup, I don't want that." :smile:

 

[Empathizer]

Bwahahaha! That sounds hilarious! :lmao:

Okay, you are officially awesome. Most people, even on the friggin' Internet, would do that schoolmarmish "That's not funny! That's horrible!" folded-arms, stone bosom, steel gaze-over-brass-wireframes thing.

The laughter proves that you heard my voice. I am officially in your head. Be warned. I'm kind of like Mrs. Bates: Once I'm in your head, I don't leave until you've killed at least once :wink:

 

[petite]

Okay, you are officially awesome. Most people, even on the friggin' Internet, would do that schoolmarmish "That's not funny! That's horrible!" folded-arms, stone bosom, steel gaze-over-brass-wireframes thing.

The laughter proves that you heard my voice. I am officially in your head. Be warned. I'm kind of like Mrs. Bates: Once I'm in your head, I don't leave until you've killed at least once :wink:

I've thought that you're officially awesome for a long time now! :hug:

 

[Empathizer]

Thank you!

{{{Hugs}}} right back. I'm socially retarded, so I always inspect my motives for flaws. *shrugs*

 

[petite]

Thank you!

{{{Hugs}}} right back. I'm socially retarded, so I always inspect my motives for flaws. *shrugs*

Well, from across the internet you seem to be really socially skilled. I would have never pegged you as socially retarded! Especially since you're so good natured and you write so well.

(And compared to lots of the folks around these parts, you're like a social mastermind, but I know that's not actually a compliment. :tongue

 

[Empathizer]

I work really hard at it. Which is pretty funny because the world is becoming such a social graveyard now that social skills are said to be in decline.

I used to consume etiquette books like candy, and have a classmate kick me under the desk when I started to raise my hand too many times.

 

[lgej]

I just love you two...you're really articulate, smart and funny. Please, please keep posting.

 

[petite]

I work really hard at it. Which is pretty funny because the world is becoming such a social graveyard now that social skills are said to be in decline.

I used to consume etiquette books like candy, and have a classmate kick me under the desk when I started to raise my hand too many times.

Ha! I've done the same thing about the etiquette books. I have a collection of old etiquette books that I love. I once read that etiquette books reveal what people actually commonly do during that time period, since there's no point in telling someone NOT to do something otherwise.* I've been a fan of etiquette books ever since then, the snapshots it portrays of ideal behavior, and the little window into how people really behaved.

(*So during the middle ages, when etiquette advice says not to rub your ass side to side on the chair when you fart or not to blow your nose on the tablecloth, that means that people did that. )

I just love you two...you're really articulate, smart and funny. Please, please keep posting.

Aw, thank you again!

 

[B_subgirrl]

Bwahahaha! That sounds hilarious! :lmao:

I was ROFLing right along with you :biggrin1:.

Okay, you are officially awesome. Most people, even on the friggin' Internet, would do that schoolmarmish "That's not funny! That's horrible!" folded-arms, stone bosom, steel gaze-over-brass-wireframes thing.

They would?!? This place regularly shows me just how strange I am :tongue:

I've thought that you're officially awesome for a long time now! :hug:

Well I think you're BOTH awesome, so ner!

Well, from across the internet you seem to be really socially skilled. I would have never pegged you as socially retarded! Especially since you're so good natured and you write so well.

Agreed! No social retardedness in the Emp I'm seeing.

 

[chefgreg]

Interesting thread -- thanks for starting it, WildHoney.

I've had some experience with this "surgery" business, and wanted to comment on it:

-- I've had three kids. One emergency c-section, and then two the normal way

-- During my first vaginal delivery, they "cut" me because it was a long labor and they needed to get the child out ASAP. When they stitched me back up, they offered to "tighten me up" a little. Well, it was MURDER. Sex was difficult for almost a year after that. (BTW, they don't just cut the skin, they cut the PC muscle too, and it takes a lot of stitches to repair it.)

-- For my second vaginal delivery, I was terrified of being "cut" again, so I said DON'T CUT ME. Well, they misestimated the size of the kid. Everyone said he was normal size (7 to 7.5 pounds).... NOT!! He was almost 9 pounds and he basically "tore me up" down there. I was stitched up every which way. And I guess I got "tightened" again.

Anyway, after the "repair", I was so small that my guy could hardly get his dick in there.

That was years ago, and I guess everything is "back to normal" now. But even so, things aren't as elastic as they used to be and I have to work hard at kegels to keep my stitched-up PC muscle in a flexible condition.

My point is this: Even doctors push the "tight pussy" concept on women going through childbirth. As my doctor said, "Your husband will really like it..."

My child's mother's obgyn offered this to us during one of the final exams before birth. He said " After she gives birth I can make it like it's brand new". We were going to do it, but she ended up getting an emergency c-section because my son was dying inside of her. I remember during one of the exams (yes I went to every single doctors visit) the doc commented on how small her vagina was.