i gotcha.... no... i don't think we're letting any state leave the union... even if they wanted to... just my opinion
The mainstream media has been exposed and is failing
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A hundred and fifty years ago, California didn't have by far the largest GDP of any state, larger than that of all but four other countries in the world.
I'm not advocating civil war, but let's not be so quick to kiss California off, either.
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[QUOTE="As to better off with Trump. From an economic standpoint, it's no contest. She was for admittedly higher taxes, and destruction of domestic energy (apart from "green" type energy). She admitted she wanted to destroy the coal industry. Obama's administrations have seriously increased federal regulations on businesses across the nation and they are business killers and she vowed to continue that. Trump wants to markedly decrease taxes and thus bring in money parked outside the nation as well as foreign investments. It's already working.[/QUOTE]Anything "Working Already" is not because of Mr. Trump. That's just funny. Hillary was for higher taxes on the top 1%. Mr Trump wants to decrease taxes for the wealthy and corporations only. We've seen that this form of trickle down economics does not work. And look at Trump's plan.
"The tax hikes that would hit single parents and large families would result from Trump's plan to eliminate the personal exemption and the head-of-household filing status. These features of the tax code have enabled many Americans to reduce their taxable income.
His other proposed tax changes would benefit middle- and lower-income Americans. But they wouldn't be enough to offset those modifications.
"If you're a low- or moderate-income single parent, you're going to get hurt," said Bob Williams, a fellow at the Tax Policy Center." And that quote is sourced from Fox: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...class-trump-plan-would-mean-tax-increase.html
As far as decreasing regulations, I'm kind of partial to things like clean air and water, safe workplaces, safe food etc.
"The tax hikes that would hit single parents and large families would result from Trump's plan to eliminate the personal exemption and the head-of-household filing status. These features of the tax code have enabled many Americans to reduce their taxable income.
His other proposed tax changes would benefit middle- and lower-income Americans. But they wouldn't be enough to offset those modifications.
"If you're a low- or moderate-income single parent, you're going to get hurt," said Bob Williams, a fellow at the Tax Policy Center." And that quote is sourced from Fox: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...class-trump-plan-would-mean-tax-increase.html
As far as decreasing regulations, I'm kind of partial to things like clean air and water, safe workplaces, safe food etc.
i agree we couldn't afford to lose california....
also... the legal mechanisms for leaving are all sketchy at best....
we can add new states... there is a mechanism in the constitution
there is no mechanism for a state to leave... in the constitution
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when you get nearly everyone in the U.S. to agree that letting the world’s six largest economy leave its tax-paying ranks is a good idea...
You can't get nearly everyone to agree upon anything. In 1860. the South didn't ASK the North for permission to secede. It would have been a done deal if the Federal military hadn't fought them over it, right? I'm saying that would be unlikely today. Added bonus: This way those many Hollywood celebs who want out of the country could do so without leaving their mansions.
It's up to the people of California to secede. If they really wanted to, they'll find a way. And I, for one, would not fight to keep them part of a political entity they wanted out of.
It's up to the people of California to secede. If they really wanted to, they'll find a way. And I, for one, would not fight to keep them part of a political entity they wanted out of.
i argue we are not a confederation, therefore, california cannot decide to leave the US unilaterally
it would require a constitutional convention:
By law, 34 states must ask for a constitutional convention before it can convene, and any amendments it promulgated would require the support of at least 38 states to become law.
again.... the majority of states would have to agree to let california leave
I disagree that a CC would be needed. If California wants to leave I say don't let Nevada hit you in the ass on the way out. Perhaps you're right though. Call a Constitutional Convention. I'll bring the hot dogs.
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Well, if YOU don't feel a need for constitutional convention, I guess that settles it.
may i ask the legal precedent for not needing a cc to dissolve the union? btw i agree with you... that if california voted to leave.. i too would support it being independent... but for vastly different reasons...
i argue for the CC... only the union (of 50 states) can change or dissolve as a union of 50 states to that of a union of 49 states....
at least it sounds good in my head ;-)
maybe there is another way...
Now I'm curious what vastly different reasons would have you support California leaving? Was a CC called in 1861? No. My point is the union would have broken with or without one, except that the Federal govt decided to forcefully keep the leavers in. I don't think that would happen now. Especially as there is no galvanizing cause such as slavery to rally around.
b/c i think it could be a great country... a great liberal country ;-)
its economy is larger than brazil or france
$2.496 trillion (2015)
ultimately.... no state should be forced to remain in the union (imo)... which is why i stated
this is where we disagree... the union has determined no state can leave the union even if it wants... and even if we both think otherwise
Fuzzy asked for examples of lies from mainstream media.
It seems you were fortunate to not have been bothered by formal education.
I gave you a list of video clips that would give you the information you seek, I didn't want to waste my time writing it all down here, in fact you clearly know how to read and use a computer, try using Google to inform yourself!
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