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trulybig: I remember as a young teenager reading Fanny Hill which I found in my next door neighbors house. It talked about how some incredible sex was experienced by the women when the men had penises that measured over 8", etc. In fact, there was a section where the sex was described as so intensely pleasurable for the woman and the guys penis was 9" or more. The point is that Fanny Hill is an old book and even back then there was some recognition of the superiority of penis size sexually.
In todays media, penis size or the concept of larger is better is constant. Every day I get emails about penis enlargment pills. The point of all these ads is that a larger penis is a worthwile attribute and worth spending money on if possible to achieve. These ads also supposedly report the comments of many women who talk about how they desire a larger size. Also, the ads very directly apply the concept of virility, being more of a man, being a more sexually satisfying lover, etc. because of the possibility of having a larger penis.
On radio shows such as Howard Stern, a week doesn't go buy where there isn't some reference to someone with a large penis being superior, or a smaller one, like Howard's being inferior. There are ads on so many different products as well which state "Size Matters", I think it is a car ad, and so on. In fact, the point is that there is a constant media bombardment on the value of penis size. There is a trojan condom ad now on the regular radio where the girl talks about the size of the mans' feet, and then the ad discussed Magnums. Again, the ad makes the man sound very special for the woman.
So, what's so bad about having a large penis. Those who have it are very lucky. I think if you have one, you should be proud of and enjoy it. The truth is that being larger than average does make you sexually superior. Many will debate it but the media certainly recognizes it, as does history.
However, I am curious as to others on this board as to their experiences growing up and whether the media exposure impacted their self view positively on negatively, depedent on their endowment.

 

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GreenEyes: Welcome to the boards. Not like you I have been a member of this fine establishment for a very long time.... hmmmm yesterday was my first day.

OK here is this woman's impression on what you wrote. I think it all depends on the man and how they use what they have. I think a very endowed cock is a little scary to me. No offense men, but it is. Again it all depends on how the man uses it and takes things into consideration of his lover. The same goes for a man that does not have much in that department. There has been a time where I didn't feel a thing as his body was bouncing on me. Can I say no satisfaction on my end there. Yet there have been smaller sized men that have used what they had to please both of us.

All in all I can't say there is a better. It all depends on the individuals that are receiving and giving. If they want to make it work they will no matter what. Again all parties involved has to listen to the other and how they are reacting.

Let's face it we all have different sexual likes and dislikes. If we didn't we wouldn't be human. I would take a man any size as long as it was mutual to please. That he knows what to do to make me scream as I buck back and forth within my beaded sweat as I yell out dirty words to him to fuck me harder, but enough about that.

Basically use what you have to its fullest. Learn how to rotate those hips of yours. Learn what makes your lover beg for more.

 

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Donk: Do not believe everything you hear in the media. And especially do not believe everything you hear in advertising from people who are trying to sell you something.

However, I think there is truth to the idea that size does matter. I don't think it matters as much as most guys think it does. And I think it matters more than most women admit it does.

When women are speaking honestly, the sense that I get is that a well-endowed man who knows how to use it can provide a unique type of pleasure. And if you have a large penis, you can bet it is a topic of "powder room" talk betwee your gf and her friends.

As for the real question in your post, when I was growing up "back in the day" (it actually was not that far back) there was much less open reference to penis size in TV, movies, regular magazines, etc. than there is now. There was definitely some, but I have noticed a real trend in just the last few years to the subject being discussed all over the place. I first became aware of the topic when I was about 12 years old and got hold of a porn magazine. In those days, that was the only place you saw ads for penis enlargement stuff (plus there was much discussion of the desirability of being big in stories, letters, ads for porn videos and dildos, etc.).

I have to say that the messages from both regular media and the porn mags overwhelmingly gave the idea that a large penis was a good thing and that did have a positive impact on my self image. As a teen, watching my penis grow ever larger, I knew that it was something desirable. Because of that I never had the negative self feelings of being a "freak", etc. that many guys on here have reported.

 

[Max]

I grew up a lot further back than Donk, and had to make do with what information about penis size I could glean. And unfortunately I didn't manage the process half as well or as smoothly as he seems to have done.

It is interesting that what you happen to come across can determine how well you handle it (no pun intended). When I was round about 15, a friend of mine, who knew what was happening to me, showed me those passages in Fanny Hill (how he got hold of it I can't imagine), though unlike trulybig I can't remember any precise sizes being quoted. That of course made me feel good. But some time later the same friend showed me "The Perfumed Garden" (Arabian erotic manual) which contained a passage which said, in effect: "A man whose member is less that 4.5 inches is of no use to women. A man who member is greater than 9 inches is of no use to women." At least that is how I remember it reading.

Of course, when I passed that nine inch mark and carried on growing, those words stuck in my mind ... when added to a few negative remarks made by people who saw me in the showers etc., they made me feel pretty ambivalent ... proud but very anxious at one and the same time.

This (lpsg) has to be the best resource for young guys in the same position, maybe above all in reassuring them and in correcting the sort of misinformation I was open to.

 

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Liberty9.5: ...of course God forbid we believe everything the media tells us.

Personally I think Donk put it rather well: "I don't think it matters as much as most guys think it does. And I think it matters more than most women admit it does."  

That's my sense of it, too.

If one is endowed AND not a jerk in bed, you should make the ladies happy. At least in bed. If only we could all just stay in bed...

 

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GreenEyes: [quote author=Liberty9.5 link=board=sex;num=1062444366;start=0#4 date=09/02/03 at 12:43:14

If one is endowed  AND not a jerk in bed, you should make the ladies happy. At least in bed. If only we could all just stay in bed...[/quote]

Hello!!!!! Waving... waving again..... didn't I say something similiar to this but in more words. Again it all depends on the man and how he uses it.

Max it saddens me that people place too much empahsis on what others will think about them. I am learning and sympathizing that some men feel akward about being well endowed. It makes them feel self conscience for a number of reasons others might now see. Yet, I am sure there are men out there about the same size that are proud of what they have.

I am also sure the same goes for a man that is small in his cock size and wishes he could be as endowed as some of you men are.

Some of you even at times in your life might have contemplated how life would be different if you were only 4 or 5 inches.

Remember the grass is always greener. You should be proud of what you have. People are going to love you regardless.

I had mentioned on a post here and I forgot which one for I posted a lot the last two days. But I did mention that a very well endowed man does frighten me. It is not easy to explain why but there is a mixture of reasons. Two reasons would be the fact that he might hurt me. The second, that I might not please him or be able to satisfy expectations he might want.

On this point I do have to comment positvely that I was at an awe moment when one man wrote, in another thread, about using an extension. When attempting to borrow his father's boxers he found a small pillow with a whole cut out. Somebody suggested that his mother might have made the pillow. If you think about it that is love.

I just found the men that posted about it to be considerate lovers. In my eyes there is nothing wrong in that. If anything it says a lot about them.

Internally as human we all have some sort of self image thing and I truly wish people would stop it already. Yes, madison Avenue brainwashes us, but sooner or later that body part comes into vogue. Again be happy with what you have and find things that will make you feel less self conscious about it.

This is a good site for younger men not realizing that there are others well endowed and things that will make it easier.

 

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JeffS: Donk said

Do not believe everything you hear in the media. And especially do not believe everything you hear in advertising from people who are trying to sell you something.

I think that's very well put, and exactly right. I can't wait until this sudden penis size obsession in the media ends. (I hope it will anyway.) The "breast enlargement" pills that were all over the place a few years ago never took off like these "penis enlarging" pills. It's pitiful and unfortunate, but it shows just how self-concious men are about this issue. Simply put, anyone who would value a penis over the person to whom it's attatched, for any reason whatsoever, or who would look down on that person or "break up" with them because they feel their "size" isn't "good enough", isn't worth the space they take up. Hopefully someday more guys will realize that! ;D

 

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MrHappy: First POST and let me point out that I am a 2 year member on the biggest small site (www.measurection.com) on the net.

I am 6'2" built like a linebacker and have a cock at erection just a tad under 6" and a 4.5" in circumference.

A couple of things hit me today when surfing through the www.measurection.com site a few days ago.

1. Attitude is 99% and physical is 1%. Man how true is this! (big dick or small)

There is a new show on TV called Nip/Tuck (love it) and one of the 2 plastic surgeons is quite the playboy....different women three times a week. Anyway he was talking to a young boy (son of the other surgeon) and this kid was 18 and uncircumcised and had major insecurities about his penis. The surgeon told him "women don't care if you have a 2" pecker, a hairy ass or balls like chestnuts. They want you to be confident and know how to please them". (close but not verbatim)

Here is a show with sex ALL over it and the main guy who sleeps with any woman he wants tells us, size doesn't matter to women...it's your attitude. They want confidence!

Size queens are out there and maybe your fit isn't exactly what you want in you partner, but DO NOT let it consume you. You don't walk around all day with your dick in your partner. You walk around all day with an image of love, caring, happiness maybe anger or sadness. It's all about YOUR attitude. You become what you think about all day long. Picture yourself as a stud and not a dud.


2. Acceptance.

I think what bothers a lot of us the most on at the www.measurection.com site is the fact we "think" sex would be better if we had a larger penis. And so we cannot accept the fact that because we do not...we are missing out on something.

I saw a pic in the gallery (www.measurection.com) of an 8" cock standing straight up. Man I would love to have one like that baby....but it's not going to happen. And I envied what it would be like if I had that dick and my g/f was trying to sit on top of me. It would take her a little longer to get comfortable with it....but yeah she would like it. It also would allow us to do a few more or longer stroked positions with bigger equipment. But my point is this.

We can dream about going to Hawaii or Europe someday. We can dream about driving a NASCAR around a superspeedway at 150 mphs or being rich and famous. Maybe write a novel and get worldwide acclaims. These ALL can happen with hard work and/or money. We CAN have these if we really really wanted to before we die.

BUT we cannot have the perfect penis no matter what we do. And it's that unattainable desire or feeling of emptiness that you must deal with in order to have confidence.

Ya got what ya got. You can wish all day it was different...but it won't happen. Use this as another reminder...you have 2 choices to make when deciding on how you feel about your unit. Either in a positive light or a negative light. Neither way will change it's size...but one of them will release you into frame of mind that gives you confidence and greater pleasure.

So whether you have a 9" cock or a 5" cock it is all in how you use it and whether or not you make your partner happy.

My last partner I felt like I was tossing a hotdog down a hallway when we had sex...but the current g/f is tight.

We all will have performance anxiety and insecure thoughts even when we think we have it all figured out...part of life. But remember I AM NOT MY DICK.

Hell yes I wish I had a bigger dick. But I don't. So I muster up all my confidence, let it stand tall and hammer it home like a trooper! And when I'm done...she got one helluva good f******. I would advise others to do the same.

Enjoy your friggin life guys!

Ya got what ya got.....put it to good use!

If we all could have order the perfect cock at inception....the mold would have been broken a million times on the big and thick model.


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~: MrHappy :~

 

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H8Monga: *applause*

However, I've been trying this "think otherwise" thing for a while and it's not workin'... so what I have done was just give in and accept my life for what it's meant to be. I am more content that way than comparing and wishing and hoping and praying. I lost the size lottery just like the real lottery, but I guess there are other lotteries and the one I've won... well... could be worse....

 

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awellhungboi: Well said, Mr. Happy! Welcome aboard. Hope you continue to post.

 

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wvalady1968: Yeah, MrHappy, that was very well stated.

 

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Krowax: I guess it's the media that made me feel insecure about my size a couple of years ago when I was 16-17 at 6.75"x5". It made me find PE, and now I'm up to 7.4x5.6, and I'm pretty confident about my size. Just a little more and I'm done.

All the ideals the media spew out are only made to either provoke or make money.

 

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drrionelli: Let's consider this whole "media" thing.

Particularly in the US, we are led to believe that "bigger is better." WHY this is can likely be traced to cultural circumstance. In most elections, the taller party has been chosen as President. Studies show that taller people tend to be more financially successful. If you want cachet, do you buy a Chevy Cavalier? No, you're told that you must drive a Lincoln Town Car or a Cadillac DeVille. When you get "the promotion", do you move up to a larger apartment? Hardly, you're led to believe that you must have a mansion.

Curiously, other countries don't place such importance on size. Indeed, some Europeans have been known to refer to large American houses as "hotels" and also to refer to Detroit's rather Rubensesque vehicles as "tanks".

Of course, the US is a large country. It has huge cities and they are vast distances apart. Clearly, the people of America will think in grand terms. About EVERYTHING.
Whether this is cause or effect of the media feeding such unsubstantiated bias is anybody's guess.

MrHappy SHOULD be applauded (I give you a standing ovation, my friend!). Balance in all things, at all cost!

 

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gigantikok: I would disagree with the media sending out messages that size matters. In actually, most of the messages I see are that size doesn't matter. Almost all of the famous sex therapists are of the same opinion that it is confidence and sexual experience that would win over size. Any magazine I've ever cracked open always assures guys that a big penis isn't a big deal. Maybe this is because 97% of the rest of the population of men(including the ones in control of the media and so on) are not super endowed.

Either way, it seems pretty clear to me that society tries to dictate a "size doesn't matter" message. It even goes as far that women who genuinely love large penis are afraid to admit it for fear of being looked down upon and thought of as a slut.

 

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Donk: [quote author=gigantikok link=board=sex;num=1062444366;start=0#13 date=09/10/03 at 01:21:17]I would disagree with the media sending out messages that size matters.  In actually, most of the messages I see are that size doesn't matter.  Almost all of the famous sex therapists are of the same opinion that it is confidence and sexual experience that would win over size.  Any magazine I've ever cracked open always assures guys that a big penis isn't a big deal.  Maybe this is because 97% of the rest of the population of men(including the ones in control of the media and so on) are not super endowed.

Either way, it seems pretty clear to me that society tries to dictate a "size doesn't matter" message.  It even goes as far that women who genuinely love large penis are afraid to admit it for fear of being looked down upon and thought of as a slut.[/quote]

I think the deal is there is really a mixed message. The official, PC party line from sex "advisors", etc. is size doesn't matter. But the sly "between the lines" message from jokes, ads, etc. is that yes, it does.

 

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jumbo747jet: If you ask a man, I don´t think it matters who you ask, he will tell you that size does matters - to him. This isn´t saying that a bigger gives more pleasure, as we all know that women can be pleasured without even using the penis.
This has more to do with how us men view this issue and how we view eachother, often in a very competative manner.

 

[Pecker]

Let's face it. Sex sells. As long as guys think that bigger is better, there's a market out there to take their money.

Most men have had that feeling during sex that if they could only 'get a little bit deeper' their lover would hit new heights and male egos would burst with pride.

Only those of us who've experienced the problems that come with endowment may truly understand the dichotomy that makes us sound patronizing to those men.

In the meantime, it's a capitalist market. And a huge underground market in other systems.

Pecker

(I asked a New Yorker, "Do you know where Michigan Avenue is?" He said "Yes," and kept going.)

 

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xres: I agree with the part Max's post referring to "The Perfumed Garden" (Arabian erotic manual) which contained a passage which said, in effect: "A man whose member is less that 4.5 inches is of no use to women.  A man who member is greater than 9 inches is of no use to women."  At least that is how I remember it reading.   Although I might extend the 9" bit, but 4.5 is definitely a cutoff point.   Most women do not measure their men's cocks before they have sex if at all during the relationship.  Women would "know it" after the experience or by just looking at it depending on the amount of cocks she's experienced.

Size does matter, try spooning or doggy with a 4" and you'll know what I mean.  Being small you mis-stroke or can't even get into a decent position where you can just do what comes naturally without unnatural effort which ruins the whole experience for the guy.  Your stuck with missionary unless your girls vagina tends not to be blocked by her ass and is very flat.  Not to mention it ruins it for women who want to be on top and sit on you.  The more length/width you have the better up to a point obviously.  Personally between 5.5" and 9" length and 4 to 5" girth you're pretty much home free.  below 5 you're going to suffer sexual dissatisfaction with women more often until you find the right fit with a woman.

It's not that the sex is worse for the guy per se.  It's more about woman really, and the fear of her cheating on you because of human nature's always wanting what you dont have.  It's just a hit to the ego that you can't do what your woman loved to do with past lovers (her favorite sexual positions).  It's the comparision thing and her having an itch for what she used to have but doesn't with you.  It happens, guys with small ones get cheated on much more then average to well hung guys I'm sorry to say.  My friend's ex loved to spoon and doggy and he couldn't manage it, so my sympathies go out to small guys (less then 5).  

Not to mention the psychological effect it has on women, a bigger penis is more of a turn on then a smaller one.  Any women who is part of the newer generation and is not influenced by conservative values or religious values will tell you: A well hung man is more of a turn on when it comes just to sexual aspect of things.

Any real woman will tell you its like this : Long and thick, short and thick, long and thin.  So yes it does matter, anyone who doesn't think so is kidding themselves.   But really I think really bad sex has a lot more to do with the psychology and experience of the people involved then the size of your wang unless you are really on the small end, under 5.

 

[txquis]

What a good thread...very interesting points of view.
and HONEST.
Very nice.

I would have to agree...the media DOES emphasize the "size matters" idea...in jokes...in advertising...all the time...even in our email, as someone pointed out.

And then there is the opposite message that comes from other places....from sex therapists, from sensitive partners...from  people who see beyond physical attributes.

It is confusing...the message that i always get
is...Size doesnt ALWAYS matter....but...sometimes it does...it just depends on who you listen to, and what you believe is important.
(I'm not saying that is a right or wrong message..it is just an honest statement of what i hear.......so i suppose
it is up to the individual which message they are going to take to heart.

I have always believed that the person matters more, and the technique matters more than the equipment....i've made that clear in my posts...
but....does the world agree with me?
Um....clearly, not everyone.

 

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ORCABOMBER: Okay so this is re-starting an olde' thread, but worth reading.

For my two cents as it were, it does seem to be that this is the case of over-sexualising of just about everything and interestingly, mens magazines don't tend to write about that sort of thing, but some women ones though. Maybe that's a bit of bias depending on what I read, but just an observation.