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Mme Zora - Haha, yeah, there you see the possibilities? I could part of the scam, proposing the actual scam itself as a creative possibility. Endlessly self-referential participatory art. But no, I am real but somewhat erratic poster here.

Mindseye - Yes, sorry. I didnt mean someone should actually do it. I am thinking it would make a good modern psychological thriller novel, with some IRL wrongdoings as a parallel plot.
 

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The funny thing is that I briefly entertained the idea that "DMW" was trying to work on some kind of thesis paper about how accepting people might be of a gay latino stripper, turned teacher that was very religious and we were all his research subjects.
 

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BuddyBoy said:
This is a hard post for me to write, but I want to explain, not excuse, some of the things I did and let you know a few more things about me.

First of all, I am a real person, not someone’s duplicate identity. I will post a verified pic, Chuck, and you’ll see I’m a 41 year old, freckled chub with glasses.

I’ve lurked on the board for a while. I truly liked the DMW character, Truth be told, I liked him a lot and had a crush on him. He embodied a lot of the things I like in a guy – wit, intelligence, a down-to-earth attitude. He seemed to have a continental outlook, and I’ll confess my weakness for Latino and Italian men.

When KidBroTrouble announced his death, I was devastated. I spent a lot of time going back to read DMW’s posts because I wanted to recapture his spirit, the same way, for example, I’ll decide to rewatch a move or go through an entire TV series from the beginning again once it’s gone off the air.

The problem was, as I started working backwards, I came across some posts that questions aspects of DMW’s identity. Part of me was puzzled, but part of me was hopeful. Maybe he wasn’t dead, maybe KidBroTrouble was just stirring up something. Trouble was, as I dug deeper into the archives, it started to look less and less like DMW existed in the first place, at least in the public persona that he claimed. If that persona didn’t exist, how could that persona die?

Now although I’m not big on fakes, I also don’t believe in posting anyone’s personal information on a public bbs without their permission. Is it wrong of me and others to think that when someone posts their own personal information it’s open to verification? Perhaps, because it shows a lack of trust. I think it becomes an issue for each of us to decide for ourselves, and accept the consequences for doing it or not.

I have a hot button, though. It’s people who fake their death on the internet. As people may guess, it has happened to me before and it’s devastating, as I’m sure people here are discovering. It’s cruel, heartless and a total betrayal.

I was starting to have serious doubt about DMW’s death, but tried to be open minded and supportive of the Nunez family, if they existed, by gently reminding some of the other detractors on the Bad News thread that without knowing the truth, it was better to err on the side of caution and not post these kind of comments in a tribute thread.

Now, my big failing and mistake: I knew the tribute thread was not the place to post my concerns, but what I didn’t realize is that it also wasn’t the TIME to post my concerns anywhere. For that, I am truly sorry. My questioning hurt many people when my motivation was to help alleviate the hurt by pointing out that the facts pointed to this being a made-up death. I seriously misjudged the situation and ended up making everything worse. I got quite defensive because I did take a lot of flack for, in my mind at the time, just posting a couple of simple facts and encouraging people to make their own conclusions. Now I realize that I should have waited a while and perhaps started more discreetly with a few PMs.

I also want to apologize for thinking that some of you were in on it, and putting up a smokescreen under which DMW could escape. I was starting to get out my tinfoil hat and try to figure out how many posters here were the same person – I’m glad that many of you are real and not, as I was beginning to wonder, the same half-dozen people talking to themselves.

Lastly, and this is a hard part for me, I need to be honest about one aspect of my motivation, of which I’m slightly ashamed. I’m not presenting this as an excuse, or a carte blanche, in fact, it’s something I’m not proud of: I have OCD, obsessive compulsive disorder. It’s mild, and usually kept under control with my anti-depressants, but every so often it flares up and gets ugly. Usually, it manifests itself with a fruitless search for some misplaced item which continues until 5 am in the morning, but in the case of DMW it manifested itself royally in checking out every god damned obituary in the state and every school board in a 150 mile radius of LaSalle Parish. The people who called me a sociopath were off the mark by a bit, but those who called me obsessed were bang on. :frown1:

I’m sorry.
Boys make mistakes. Men say I'm sorry. Thanks for your post. It goes a long way in healing the wounds here.
 

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Well, some of you may remember me. Probably, most of you will not. I tend to lurk most of the time and mostly only post when I see a topic that moves me on some level. After reading Jana's original post and feeling betrayed at having thought I had made a friend in Jacinto during the many years I've been here, I felt it was time to stop lurking and post something.

Jana, while I have not always agreed with the things you have said, I've always been respectful of the great level of integrity you've shown. I also have a great admiration for you and your desire to come forward and enlighten us about Jacinto and apologize to others caught in the crossfire of this egregious deception.

I just read your initial post and I must say that I'm sorry to learn that Jacinto was never real. I'd always admired Jacinto's wit and intelligence, and truth-be-told, the avatars of "himself" were not unpleasing to the eye either.

I feel very badly for someone who feels they must come here and pretend to be one, two, ten or more different people. How terrible it must be to have little or no self-worth. So, don't hate him. Feel sorry for him. Pity him. And, eventually forget him.

Respectfully,
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Shelby said:
When the thread was active I wanted to pose this question, but because emotions were running so hot I refrained.

I was going to ask - How real do people think all this is? I think of it as entertainment, nothing more nothing less. Like going to a movie. Some of the posters may be playing themselves, some may not. Often I like to imagine, for example, that a character like Dr. Rock was and continues to be invented by a sweet old lady school teacher. I think that adds to the fun.

Perhaps I should be banned for not taking all this seriously. Well, there you have it.


What Shelby said goes for me too. The hell you should be 'banned' for not taking it seriously. I didn't either. It was like "HUH??" when I watched it getting more rancorous by the post.

I've only been here since December and as a "newbie" I felt it wasn't my place to comment on the untimely demise of DMW (esp. given the heated nature of that thread). Plus I'd had very little direct commentary with him.

But really people, I'm not here to meet my soul mate. From my perspective it seems to me that some here are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too invested in things. People; it's a message board - nothing more nothing less - and to set oneself up to believe that there aren't some imposters or for that matter a few who stretch the truth to one degree or another is just naïve.

As far as the posting legitimate photos thing goes I find it pretty easy to discern whose are real and whose are not. I don't need a LPSG sign next to someone's schlong to make me trust them more. I'll never post dick pics of myself because I don't want them on the internet period. Made that mistake once awhile back and it will not happen again, ever. If someone wants to see a photo of my cock they can ask me and I'll take it from there.

Jana, I think you do a good thing by owning your piece in that previous thread and admitting you were deceived. I watched that volley in pure disbelief as it factionalized the board. I was wary of that thread when all that was going on. I was a bit unnerved at how nasty some became and I decided then to simply hold back and observe. I know from pm contact with one poster that he pretty much stopped posting because of "how upset [he] was about Jacinto's death". I simply left it alone as I do now.

What makes someone go to those lengths to create drama around him or herself escapes me but so be it. Such is the nature of the beast. And in the long run who cares. It's the internet folks and this, however sad and disheartening, is a nice (or sometimes not-so-nice) window into the nature and diversity of humankind.


 

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Buddy, thank you for you wonderful
post. It was very insightful and I love
how articulate you are...they need you
on one of those CSI shows, sweetie...
you'd be perfect for the job! :tongue:
 

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Unbelievable.

So finally MZ admits what many of us have known for months, and it's cool? Not so fast. I assume, Jana, that you are open to people calling you fucktard and moron and stupid -- the way you did when people initially called jonb and DMW's "persona" into question.

I think you should have started -- not ended -- with a huge apology to many people. Your defense of the indefensible caused the departure of more than a few posters, and frankly frightened others.

I guess now that you're privy to "proof" as a moderator, you're understanding what many of us have come to realize long before you did. I only very sincerely hope that you have learned something from this, and you start to mend a lot of the fences you have destroyed.

I hope this puts this whole bunch of bullshit to rest.
 

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soooooooooooo tired of all this nonsense, from now on I will only see this site as pure entertainment value, a joke, something to laugh at. Guess I was looking at this site the wrong way before. Support hardly seems to be the appropriate word. And when the great debate comes up again about whether people under legal age should be allowed here, yeah, right with a bunch of liars, fakers, multiple personalities and morons, right I would want the youth of today guided by that lot.
So please everyone entertain me.
 

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BuddyBoy said:
Now, my big failing and mistake: I knew the tribute thread was not the place to post my concerns, but what I didn’t realize is that it also wasn’t the TIME to post my concerns anywhere. For that, I am truly sorry. My questioning hurt many people when my motivation was to help alleviate the hurt by pointing out that the facts pointed to this being a made-up death. I seriously misjudged the situation and ended up making everything worse. I got quite defensive because I did take a lot of flack for, in my mind at the time, just posting a couple of simple facts and encouraging people to make their own conclusions. Now I realize that I should have waited a while and perhaps started more discreetly with a few PMs.

BuddyBoy, I hadn't intended to post in this thread at all, but I also didn't expect this from you - I am pleasantly surprised. Thanks for your post. I was one of the people who gave you flack, and for that I apologize as well.
 

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BuddyBoy - As promised, I'd like to apologize to you for all the mean-spirited and accusatory things I wrote about you. Your timing was insensitive and your unexplainable persistance led many of us, myself included, to believe your only motive was to stir up trouble to get attention. You've explained your actions and publicly apologized. I would like to apologize for my part in your vilification. As much as I tried to control my anger and be diplomatic in my response, it was still childish. As Lex said, let's wipe the slate clean and start over.

I hope that the rest of the members on your side of the argument won't make it their mission to undermine and vilify the moderators as a group. Many of them avoided the conflict (at least in the threads I've read) all together, or simply tried to maintain the peace. That being said, there are still hurt feelings. I hope the remaining individuals on both sides will, at a minimum, make a private apology to you and others for the part they played.

Let's just put the whole thing behind us. As far as I'm concerned, you've admitted your mistakes and all is forgiven. I hope you'll forgive me for mine.
 

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Is there any chance that this person may have multiple personalities?
Or another psychological disorder ?

Just wondering......
 

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Reading this thread has left me both numb and dumbfounded.

I am more than a little relieved that "Jacinto" did not die. He made a real impact upon my life and upon my values. I hope that in another incarnation he will affect another as positively as he did me.

I only knew him through his posts and a few IMs. To me his knowledge, his humanity, and his humor are reality. Yea, so I am naive. When I was in middle school or high school, mom took my bros and me to see Calderone's "Life is a Dream," the protagonist is sometimes a prisoner in a cave and other times a prince in palace. The changes occur while he is drugged. The guy is faced with the question, "What is reality...am I prince or prisoner?" For me, "Jacinto" remains the prince of posters.

I shall remember him for the decency that he espoused.
 

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BuddyBoy said:
Nice artwork by the way Chuck - good colour composition.

Thank you. It complemented my living room in Vegas - not as gaudy and over-the-top as it sounds. I moved out there not knowing anyone, and quickly became homesick, lonely and depressed. I needed to brighten up the room and make the apartment my home so I went out and bought the biggest canvas I could find, along with all kinds of nick-nacks and decorations from BB&B and ZGallery. There's actually about 1/2 of another painting underneath - a failed attempt. If you notice, it's still not signed. After two years, I'm still not sure if I'm finished with it.

Anyway - That's the story of that particular painting. :hijacked:

Now back to your regulary scheduled program.
 

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jakeatolla said:
Is there any chance that this person may have multiple personalities?

Senator Frist may make medical diagnoses from thousands of miles away, but none of us do.