The most epic political smackdown of all time

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  1. B_talltpaguy

    B_talltpaguy New Member

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    This guy took the words right out of my mouth...

    (I used to be an active Republican myself until they went nutso, so I really see where he's coming from)


    The intro...

    Read the entire commentary by clicking here.
     
  2. StormfrontFL

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    Thanks for the link. Loved every line of the letter.
    Dude, keep up the great work.:cool:
     
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    beautiful!
     
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    Heh, thanks for the link. My eyes are beginning to burn which means sleep is needed but I'm definitely reading through more of that tomorrow morning--love that he links so many different sources of articles. Also, definitely something I'm linking on social sites I use and sending to my family members who CONSTANTLY rail against Obama but would give me a bitch slap with their eyes when I would mention the slightest of disagreements with GW Bush when he was in office.
     
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    Sweet Lord in Heaven, that was a brutal verbal castration of the GOP!!

    I favorited that page, and am going to send it to my diehard right wingnut evangelist next door neighbor. I fully expect his house to explode. :biggrin1:
     
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    brilliant!
     
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    A keeper for sure
     
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    As a previous Young Republican for Goldwater, it almost made me cry. Thanks.
     
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    What's really impressive is how there are links for practically everything stated. A great source of info to show just what's going on out there.
     
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    Great find!
     
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    Very excellent article that i will save...

    however, i would like to see a relatively sane independent or goldwater republican put together a similar laundry list of the massive pile of goo that the loony lunatic left puts forward which in many cases, is just as insane as that said by the ridiculously retarded radical right.

    the same why i do not want some pat Buchanan type telling me what to believe or how to feel, i do not want someone telling me i *HAVE* to buy health insurance *IF* i don't want it

    the demands of the vicious and short-sighted on the right fringe are just as bad as those on the left.

    the behavior of the fringe condemns the rest of us to suffer for their stupidity.

    as an example, as William S. Burroughs once said about Gun Control ""After a shooting spree, they always want to take the guns away from the people who didn't do it."
     
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    That's cool with me too, so long as those similarly loony things attributed to Dems are quoted from actual Dem leadership and nationally prominent figures discussing mainstream thought within the ranks of their own party, like is generally the case with the Republican remarks cited in the above commentary.
     
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    did i not just say that?


    and if people like Rush Limbaugh are included among "Nationally prominent figures", does that mean Michael Moore,
    can be used as well?

    a guy like Charlton HEston who was both entertainer than Political figure, would be as relevant as celebrities who consider themselves activists and fundraisers for conservative or liberal causes no? MOVEON, Keith Olbermann, all levels of democratic government and support apparatus etc.?

    "I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health" -- Democratic New York city councilman Charles Barron

    "While the rest of the country waves the flag of Americana, we understand we are not part of that. We don't owe America anything - America owes us." -- Al Sharpton

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda -- worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was." ---Keith Olbermann


    believe me, it could go on for days, on both sides.

    it would be an interesting project, but then i would have to spend too much time talking to the type of right wingers that would likely compile this stuff...the prospect of which is not particularly enthralling to me
     
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    Excellent letter...

    This is why the GOP is losing its smartest and brightest people. It amazes me how short sited the GOP is being by attracting the dumbest that America has to offer.

    -Mike
     
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    You've got it backwards... What the Dems just did was levy a new excise tax against all Americans who make over a certain annual income. They also concurrently passed a tax credit administered through the IRS that you qualify for if you purchase health insurance. Both actions have very strong precedents, and violate nobody's rights in any way.

    The problem here is that everyone has been snookered by idiot rightwing misrepresentation of the issue. (just like how they are gearing up to start describing the HCR Act as 'Viagra for sex offenders')... If the Dems weren't such pussies, they would smack these liars down and explain things more clearly, but that's just not their thing I guess.
     
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    Perhaps because there are FAR more dumb people than smart. And a dumb vote counts the same as a smart vote.
     
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    I'm sorry, but you're factually incorrect on all three assertions you make here, and the arguments made in upcoming court cases will prove it.

    You're spewing Republican talking points, whether you realize it or not.
     
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    whether you realize it or not, people will, in fact, be forced to purchase health care, or face fines.

    that may be a "republican talking point" however it is also an "Independent Talking Point" a "Libertarian talking point" and a concrete fact.

    a talking point can be a fact, my friend.

    you might wish to acquaint yourself with the "Individual Mandate".

    It In essence requires all citizens of a legal age, that are not covered by an employer plan, or from their parents to purchase Health Insurance. Those that cannot afford to purchase it receive subsidies to do so.

    *FACT*

    i respect your opinions on how to achieve things on the road to coverage, but please do not tell me that a fact is not a fact, just because a republican uses it in a talking point...

    just fyi, the Individual Mandate was originally a Republican health proposal idea a long time ago, which should tell you that now they are opposing it as part of the larger health plan, considering several republicans still supported it up until last summer...the fact is, the GOP supported the Individual Mandate for 20 years...yet now they oppose it, since, obviously, it is part of the larger plan they disagree with, so naturally, they will disagree with something they supported for 20 years...same as all politicians who change when the winds blow the other way.
    the talking points are politically driven, but that does not change a fact.


    and no, you are wrong.

    -my point about the Individual Mandate is absolutely correct. (you will pay a fine, assessed in your taxes, should you not carry health insurance and if you are not covered by parents/business etc.)
    -my point about the senate fixes containing the proposed 3.8% tax hike, which the senate will likely approve this week is absolutely correct...that is where the brunt will come, levied on people like myself.
    -my point about people in my tax bracket paying higher income, investment (capital gains and dividends, property sales) and trust and estate taxes, is absolutely correct. I have spoken to my tax lawyer that deals with both trusts and estates as well as my investment counselor, as well as all my partners at my firm where we trade.

    thusly the reason that everyone will be taking capital gains as fast as possible before this kicks in. i have taken all my capital gains in 2009, my parents have everyone i know who has or is affected by a trust or an estate as been hell-bent on reorganizing them for the last year in anticipation of this hike.

    i respect your opinion, but please do not tell me about what my taxes are going to be under this plan, when i have already spoken to people far more knowledgable than you or i on the complexities of tax planning, trusts, estates, capital gains etc.

    the republicans may be assholes, and they may use talking points, but, as i said, just because something is a talking point, does not mean it's a lie.

    The democrats use talking points to...is everything they say a lie because it is a talking point?

    Even Mitt Romney was originally for the Individual Mandate...(of course he has flip-flopped now, not because of the I.M., but because it is part of the *LARGER* plan and politically, the R's will make this part of the slogan to get rid of it)

    to be perfectly honest, i support the individual mandate about 99.5%, my problem with this Bill is in the way costs are being paid for.


    i suggest you read his (Romney) interesting article from 2006, that was an Op-Ed in the WSJ 3 years ago. (so you can see that the flip is obviously for political reasons)

    Featured Article - WSJ.com
     
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