- Qua,
Highly interesting video. And puts to bed the "Well Bush spent a lot" justification of Obama's budget plans.
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
Highly interesting video. And puts to bed the "Well Bush spent a lot" justification of Obama's budget plans.
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
Highly interesting video. And puts to bed the "Well Bush spent a lot" justification of Obama's budget plans.
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
Highly interesting video. And puts to bed the "Well Bush spent a lot" justification of Obama's budget plans.
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
It'll take until 2010 for the "Bush did it too" rhetoric to succumb.
These fiscal disasters are still a ways off from coming home to roost.
Highly interesting video. And puts to bed the "Well Bush spent a lot" justification of Obama's budget plans.
YouTube - The National Debt Road Trip
And as usual, Trinitroll doesn't seem to understand that there's certain bits of information that a "candidate for president" may not have that the actual president actually does. Obama went in with an idea, was introduced to newer info and is making adjustments. This is what Presidents are supposed to do. THIS IS WHAT RESPONSIBLE, RATIONAL THINKING ADULTS DO. But of course, having the ability to adjust and change one's mind, or the ability to THINK, is something that Trinity is openly against. To not stand by one's words you until you die is a cardinal sin for someone like Trinity. (S)he would rather have a president that would preach that 1+1=3, and still stand by that statement all throughout their presidency even if introduced with information that provides a different scenario.
Hence why (s)he'll agree with whatever doomsday scenario people would make based on predictions instead of actual facts. You wear hate very well, mama...![]()
That is a bunch of garbage.
Obama was well aware we were in 2 wars.
Obama was well aware of the economic crisis.
Obama was well aware that Healthcare Reform had been attempted by the best and not achieved because it is a difficult and complicated social issue and because it is costly.
Obama said he knew how to do it. Obama said he was the candidate to address all those issues.
Obama clearly stated that every campaign proposal was paid for and that he believed in pay-as-you-go and not increasing the Deficit. Obama ran on this.
This was the crux of Obama's criticism of Bush and the bedrock of his platform.
What does Obama know now as President that he didn't know as Senator? That the USA does not have the money to do all the things he wants to do?
Shouldn't Obama be adjusting accordingly rather than mortgaging America's future on China's credit card?
For Obama to go against the basic principle of fiscal responsibility and push this massive agenda that has never been able to be achieved even in times of prosperity, in the middle of economic crisis is irresponsible.
To claim that Obama is doing it because he knows more now is just stupid.
Obama ran on the issues and knew full well the monumental tasks of addressing them. Your argument doesn't hold water even with you.Thanks to our previous administration. Also due to our previous administration.
No one said ignore it. Did you watch the clip? Obama doesn't have to go 174 mph! Spending is what got us into this problem.That doesn't mean that it should have been ignored.
No he's not.And he's doing just that.
I was actually referring to Obama's fiscal responsibility page on his campaign website where he criticizes Bush specifically for increasing the deficit.Actually, a LOT more than just economics were under scrutiny when everyone was criticizing Bush.
Obama's own budget predictions don't even put him on apar with Pres. Clinton on fiscal responsibility.Wow... America is broke. Something most rational thinking adults already knew before Nixon got into office. Welcome to the 60s!![]()
Wrong again. I support the Democratic Platform. I don't support crazy. Every family in America has to make difficult choices. Sometimes you can't do everything you want to, when you want to.Unfortunately, your perception of adjusting is not to spend any money at all on the things that America really needs.
The only thing unrealistic is Obama's budget. Even Krugman said everything has to go just so for it to work. Obama is already outside of his budget estimates on unemployment numbers and we haven't even gotten to healthcare. Obama can't get bogged down in Afghanistan and now Pakistan bowls over. According to Krugman Obama has to get out of Iraq and now we have, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and N. Korea all front and center. So don't talk to me about unrealistic. Everyday, Obama and his administration ask for Billions more. Banks continue to fail. Foreclosures continue to rise. And our economy has not stabilized.That, given the struggles the average American faces today, is also UNREALISTIC.
Write this down Vinyl and send it to your borg leader: Don't be fiscally irresponsible because you think Bush was fiscally irresponsible and you think that gives you permission to be fiscally irresponsible.The previous administration went against the basic principles of financial responsibility for many years, getting involved with two wars and continually giving tax breaks to the wealthiest people on the thought that money would trickle down to the poor in the form of jobs and prosperity.
Nobody is going by a crystal ball. We are going by Obama's own budget projections. Obama's own budget projection numbers are already off so Obama will either adjust or deal with the consequences. What I stated was that you cannot claim that Obama is being fiscally irresponsible because he knows more as President because that is just stupid.And to claim that he doesn't know what he's doing based on crystal ball-like predictions is also stupid. But then again, since it's coming out of your pseudo-moralistic mouth, it must be true. Give me a break.
Obama ran on the issues and knew full well the monumental tasks of addressing them. Your argument doesn't hold water even with you.
No one said ignore it. Did you watch the clip? Obama doesn't have to go 174 mph! Spending is what got us into this problem.
Wrong again. I support the Democratic Platform.
I don't support crazy.
Every family in America has to make difficult choices. Sometimes you can't do everything you want to, when you want to.
The only thing unrealistic is Obama's budget. Even Krugman said everything has to go just so for it to work. Obama is already outside of his budget estimates on unemployment numbers and we haven't even gotten to healthcare. Obama can't get bogged down in Afghanistan and now Pakistan bowls over. According to Krugman Obama has to get out of Iraq and now we have, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and N. Korea all front and center. So don't talk to me about unrealistic. Everyday, Obama and his administration ask for Billions more. Banks continue to fail. Foreclosures continue to rise. And our economy has not stabilized.
Write this down Vinyl and send it to your borg leader: Don't be fiscally irresponsible because you think Bush was fiscally irresponsible and you think that gives you permission to be fiscally irresponsible.
Nobody is going by a crystal ball.
We are going by Obama's own budget projections.
Obama's own budget projection numbers are already off so Obama will either adjust or deal with the consequences.
What I stated was that you cannot claim that Obama is being fiscally irresponsible because he knows more as President because that is just stupid.
You are an Obama apologist...you overlook and explain away anything that Obama does that you would rail against if a Republican did it.Oh, please. I'm allowing the man to DO HIS JOB. Unlike you, who predicts doom every time the man breathes.
Honey, I was the first to respond on this thread. Of course I watched it. And I'll repeat what I said when I first responded to Qua: The person in the video states he predicting the National Debt based on Obama's current budget estimations.
Now Trinitroll... DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PREDICTION IS? An estimate... a calculation based on what they know to guess what will happen in the future. Which means it's probable that it could happen. It's also probable that it may NOT happen. But of course, since you hate Obama you assume the worse will happen. Which is why you think this video, BASED ON A GUESS, is accurate.
WRONG again. The Clip uses 8 years of Obama's estimates(Obama's budget is projected out to 10 years)Here's the other flaw in the video. With every president, he calculated a supposed "miles per hour" based on their entire term. He's trying to calculate Obama's performance on budget estimations and only going by half of his projected term. If this is supposed be a level playing field, we should all wait until Obama's term ends before making a judgement call. Of course, when you hate the man you'll make special rules in order to make your pathetic arguments of doom more relevant.
Not even on your best day.So please, don't ask me if I've watched the link. I OBVIOUSLY can analyze the information more than YOU can.![]()
Nope. The honeymoon is over. People are waking up. Hence, the Tea Party Protests. Hence, Obama's own party refusing to fund "Obama's No Plan Gitmo Closing." Hence, this clip on Youtube telling millions of people that Americans aren't lulled to sleep by Obama's popularity numbers, and won't stand for Obama mortgaging the future of this great nation on China's credit card.And he has 4 years (if not 8) to work this out. Any other premature whining and bitching is just that... premature.
Based on what Obama ran on...Obama himself said it was irresponsible.First off, we don't know what effect all of this proposed spending will have on our nation. So to assume it's all fiscally irresponsible is complete bullshit.
BarackObama.com
Barack Obama will restore fiscal discipline to Washington
Reinstate PAYGO Rules: Obama and Biden believe that a critical step in restoring fiscal discipline is enforcing pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) budgeting rules which require new spending commitments or tax changes to be paid for by cuts to other programs or new revenue.
The Problem
Increasing Debt: Under President Bush, the federal debt has increased from $5.7 trillion to $8.8 trillion, an increase of more than 50 percent.
Against Raising the Federal Debt Limit: In 2006, Obama voted against misguided Republican efforts to raise the statutory debt limit at the same time the Republicans were pushing through massive debt-financed tax cuts for the wealthy.
You are an Obama apologist...
you overlook and explain away anything that Obama does that you would rail against if a Republican did it.
You lack common sense.
Based on Obama's best estimates he is running up the deficit greater and faster than any President before him. I don't assume the worst will happen, if I just assume what Obama himself predicts will happen IT IS UNSUSTAINABLE, UNACCEPTABLE and ASTRONOMICAL. Your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top.
WRONG again. The Clip uses 8 years of Obama's estimates(Obama's budget is projected out to 10 years)
Not even on your best day.
Nope. The honeymoon is over
People are waking up. Hence, the Tea Party Protests.
Hence, Obama's own party refusing to fund "Obama's No Plan Gitmo Closing."
Oh, is this the new...
And finally we've come to the end of this tete-a-tete with the usual outcome. You've said a bunch of nothing. I have no need to respond because your ignorance speaks for itself. :wink:
I'm amused how you keep bringing up the "Tea Parties" as some kind of omen that the "people" are rising up against President Obama. And yet his personal, policy and job approval ratings remain steadily in the sixties. I've said it before but the Tea Parties will have as much effect on the American electorate as your vaunted PUMA party had on the primary. ZERO!Nope. The honeymoon is over. People are waking up. Hence, the Tea Party Protests. Hence, Obama's own party refusing to fund "Obama's No Plan Gitmo Closing." Hence, this clip on Youtube telling millions of people that Americans aren't lulled to sleep by Obama's popularity numbers, and won't stand for Obama mortgaging the future of this great nation on China's credit card.
Industrialsize: Folks like Trinity make me sick to my stomach to know that I was a Hillary supporter at one time.
I'm amused how you keep bringing up the "Tea Parties" as some kind of omen that the "people" are rising up against President Obama. And yet his personal, policy and job approval ratings remain steadily in the sixties. I've said it before but the Tea Parties will have as much effect on the American electorate as your vaunted PUMA party had on the primary. ZERO!