The (nearly) surefire way to tell if a porn star/influencer is actually gay or just gay-for-pay/straight

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So.....you're not straight then.

Would you call a guy (and I find this to be the most common variant of the heteroflexibles actually) -- who just loves getting head from guys only because we are waaaay better at it than most women -- "bisexual" or even "gay." Some of them actually love getting head from men so much but are so NOT attracted to them that it gave birth to the "glory hole" fetish. Lmao!! That way, they can get the best of both worlds: the best blowjobs that are also free and way better than the ones from the female street hookers they used to go to for a hundred bucks but their dicks felt some teeth and hatred inside those mouths. Lol. Plus, they don't have to see and hear who does them and so they can imagine their fave blonde porn star with big boobs as the one sucking them off. If that's the only thing they ever do with men sexually, I don't see one reason they aren't still straight. It's like calling a gay guy who went to a glory hole and found out after the deed that the mouth belonged to a girl behind the curtain after all to not be gay anymore all of a sudden either. How does that even make sense? Lol. Are our sexual orientations not defined by our sexual and deeper emotional attraction to people anymore at all? It's all just a matter of cold "technicality" having nothing to do with our inner selves now?
 

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Would you call a guy (and I find this to be the most common variant of the heteroflexibles actually) -- who just loves getting head from guys only because we are waaaay better at it than most women -- "bisexual" or even "gay." Some of them actually love getting head from men so much but are so NOT attracted to them that it gave birth to the "glory hole" fetish. Lmao!! That way, they can get the best of both worlds: the best blowjobs that are also free and way better than the ones from the female street hookers they used to go to for a hundred bucks but their dicks felt some teeth and hatred inside those mouths. Lol. Plus, they don't have to see and hear who does them and so they can imagine their fave blonde porn star with big boobs as the one sucking them off. If that's the only thing they ever do with men sexually, I don't see one reason they aren't still straight. It's like calling a gay guy who went to a glory hole and found out after the deed that the mouth belonged to a girl behind the curtain after all to not be gay anymore all of a sudden either. How does that even make sense? Lol. Are our sexual orientations not defined by our sexual and deeper emotional attraction to people anymore at all? It's all just a matter of cold "technicality" having nothing to do with our inner selves now?
1. You're reading into it too much. The guy didn't say he liked sex with men because sex in general felt good and he didn't mind where it came from. They guy said he liked sex with guys period. He didn't elaborate, so you're assuming quite a bit based on limited information.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into it but you've also missed a very important point.

2. There is NO way to tell the difference between someone who is straight with a "fetish for certain sexual acts with men", someone who is bisexual, or someone who simply has internalized homophobia and is under severe delusion which affects their sexual expression and feelings. Make no doublt about it, we still live in a world where Queer identity is stigmatized. We still live in a world where even in supportive countries, the cost of comming out has enourmous social, relationship, and self-esteem costs. Not to mention the legal, economic and political consequences for being a part of the LGBT community. Stigmatization is very powerful. You cannot assume that people's ideas of homosexuality won't be warped. Guys can and will take any opportunity to deny, obfuscate, minimize, compartmentalize their sexual feelings or otherwise delude themselves and others into thinking that they're something that they're not.
 
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Why? Do men who get BJs from other men in prison become "gay" (because there are literally no women who'd give it to them there) even though they won't reciprocate and then suddenly turn back to straight again once they're out? Is your own orientation that flexible? Do you wake up one day craving pussy and then dick the next? I love eating pussy, so am I bisexual? My main sexual thing is to be a "pleaser" and I get off on my partner's pleasure, no matter who and what they are and that's something outside of my sexual orientation. But I'm not really attracted to women and don't pursue them at all, which is my sexual orientation. Anything sexual with girls only happens when I hookup with a guy whose girl is open-minded and wants to join in. Or if I'm out having fun with my straight besties lol. I'm only sexually and emotionally attracted to men (sometimes even to some FTM trans men who are sexier and more masculine than most cis men, no kidding). But that only means I have a sexual attraction to MASCULINITY only. I couldn't be bisexual. If you're not attracted to and don't at least want to pursue both male and female partners for sex and dating, you couldn't possibly be a true bisexual. If you're not even attracted to your own gender/sex, how could you be a homosexual? So if I'm not attracted to females, it follows that I couldn't be bisexual or heterosexual.

I think it's the concept that SEXUAL ORIENTATION vs SEXUAL ACTIVITIES/DESIRES are not always in sync in people that's hard to grasp, and that the latter involve so much more than if you're straight/gay/bi. We've all been taught to think that all the external manifestations and what we do sexually and all the gendered expressions (e.g. pink vs blue, etc) are all enough to "tell" us what people's sexual/gender labels are.
 

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And BTW, for the record, if there isn't at least one man/dick in the porn scene, it's not porn for me. Lol. Only straight guys can ever find anything sexual in a scene where all traces of a man have been removed so that they can imagine only themselves as being in it, enjoying the girls all to themselves, with no other asshole with a big dick bothering them. Lol. The very concept of the (male) POV porn where the man is invisible except for his dick is purely out of the "straight male gaze" perspective. Thankfully, there has been an emergence of the FEMALE POV porn lately where the focus is more on the man and that is what I enjoy more.




 

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1. You're reading into it too much. The guy didn't say he liked sex with men because sex in general felt good and he didn't mind where it came from. They guy said he liked sex with guys period. He didn't elaborate, so you're assuming quite a bit based on limited information.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into it but you've also missed a very important point.

2. There is NO way to tell the difference between someone who is straight with a "fetish for certain sexual acts with men", someone who is bisexual, or someone who simply has internalized homophobia and is under severe delusion which affects their sexual expression and feelings. Make no doublt about it, we still live in a world where Queer identity is stigmatized. We still live in a world where even in supportive countries, the cost of comming out has enourmous social, relationship, and self-esteem costs. Not to mention the legal, economic and political consequences for being a part of the LGBT community. Stigmatization is very powerful. You cannot assume that people's ideas of homosexuality won't be warped. Guys can and will take any opportunity to deny, obfuscate, minimize, compartmentalize their sexual feelings or otherwise delude themselves and others into thinking that they're something that they're not.
1. You're the one who hasn't read and thought through deeply about anything here at all. All the blanks I decided to include in the conversation are all the possibilities that can be considered. Anyone could say anything for or against them, but no one could debunk them. I've actually gotten messages from heteroflexible men who express their gratitude and appreciation because they say that I hit the nail precisely on the head with my essays. And the person here (who actually posted that he agreed with me previously) also replied to the same comment you responded to without anything to back his stance up; he just said "Yep." People need to justify their assertions. Simply asserting them just because they "think" the are "right" doesn't make their claims right and this intransigence for no logical reason is one of the culprits of all this conflict and misunderstanding. I am introducing much-needed nuance into this important conversation that is evidently missing because almost everyone I express these to are actually surprised with how it makes all kinds of sense and so they wonder why nobody seems to have brought them up, until I did. If we want to "unwarp" all these taboo topics, we have to discuss them openly and deeply and without dismissing views we don't understand yet outright. Sweeping them under the rug is not gonna make them clearer and fairer.



2. [There is NO way to tell the difference between someone who is straight with a "fetish for certain sexual acts with men"]


Oh yes, there is! That simply is not true. Even when I presented it comically (because it IS hilarious regardless of the context lol), the test to see if a guy gets turned on by sexual images of females 100% only is serious, logical and is guaranteed to get the most accurate answers that even the person couldn't possibly have any control over because it's an instinctive/primal response. Your dick will not get stimulated if your brain's chief center of your true sexual orientation does not agree with it. You and your subconscious may cover up for your internal homophobia (if one indeed has a genuine case of it) but your dick never lies. I also fully stand by the fact that a true gay man can simply not (or find it difficult to, except if they're THAT desperate that night lol) have sex, much less date someone they haven't seen (you ever been on Grindr?), especially since we're still males and so are just as visually oriented as the straight ones are.


Don't you wonder, for one, why a lot and I'd even dare say most (in some markets) of the male sex workers who cater to men are straight? The very reason that prompted this thread even is the testament to that! The topic wouldn't even come up if it wasn't a universal truism found both on Rentmen and Onlyfans. Well, besides the fact the straight males are 95% of the male population, which still isn't enough of an explanation for me (because if sexual orientation is as simple as we insist it is -- like if your dick went into another man's mouth and it got hard so, even if you were asleep, you're gay! Lol), because if you just couldn't have sex with men, there shouldn't be any amount offered that would change that, right? Yes and maybe, it depends on the price lol. But in reality, the reason actually includes the fact that the same obstacle could be applied to gay men as well and it actually is more applicable to us counterintuitively. It's in fact even more difficult for us to do it with men we're not into because we actually are into men, but it's NOTHING to a straight/heteroflexible guy. You may be able do it once in a while (I have lol*) but do it as a career? Lol. They can have sex for money with any client old or young, fat or thin, etc BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO THEM EITHER WAY. They just want the $$$. That is why a lot of gay porn performers are also straight/heteroflexible. There are no "straight for pay" male performers because DICKS DON'T LIE. Lol. (Now, there may be a few homoflexibles like me or bisexuals out there but I don't think they'll last with the demands and low pay in the industry if they don't genuinely and highly love pussy.) I'm actually friends/acquaintances with some G4P stars in porn. "Jack" of Sean Cody (the huge muscle guy) says a lot of their shoots actually get cancelled and he hates when that happens because they get paid 0. He told me his last 2 shoots went that way. He gets flown to SD, wastes his time there and flies back home here with no paycheck. He said Viagra is available like candy, but the blue pills are useless and powerless sometimes when all the guys involved are straight. That might explain why the company has since decided to hire only gay performers. They've probably had it with losses in overhead and work time.


I also have to add that a lot of the fault lies in the gay community itself, like I implied with how gay men are actually dismissive of the concept of bisexuality to begin with. The biphobia seems to be more active and vigorous from us than anywhere else and we're ironically applying the same willful ignorance and discrimination to them in the same way that we have been subject to it ourselves throughout history. But to me, it doesn't come from a place of hatred but of exasperation & frustration. It's saying "Hey you, STFU and stop denying that you're gay just like us! Join us and join the struggle and fight. We need you here, you fellow queers & fags!" But that unfortunately denies any nuance and complexity that are present whether we agree that they exist or not.


*Part of the reason I can personally attest to this is that although I've had some (it hasn't been THAT many lol) unsolicited offers to have sex for money, I was wondering why I've only accepted a few of them and I've turned down most even when I was broke and needed the cash lol!! And it's so hilarious and ironic that I just got this text again from someone who keeps bugging me just now. See, I couldn't even name a price. I just don't know if I could stomach it without knowing who it is and what I'm getting myself into. Lol
 

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It's in fact even more difficult for us to do it with men we're not into because we actually are into men, but it's NOTHING to a straight/heteroflexible guy. You may be able do it once in a while (I have lol*) but do it as a career? Lol. They can have sex for money with any client old or young, fat or thin, etc BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO THEM EITHER WAY.
There are absolutely plenty of gay sex workers too. They do their jobs just like anyone else. Money is money at the end of the day. This logic is ridiculous sorry. Female sex workers have to work with gross johns all the time even if they are heterosexual and "actually attracted to men". It's about doing a job. There are certainly plenty of g4p sex workers but it isn't as simple as "they are not attracted therefore it' easier". A lot of older gays prefer the straights since they have their str8 chasing fantasy so the g4p guys would dominate ofc.

They just want the $$$. That is why a lot of gay porn performers are also straight/heteroflexible. There are no "straight for pay" male performers because DICKS DON'T LIE. Lol. (Now, there may be a few homoflexibles like me or bisexuals out there but I don't think they'll last with the demands and low pay in the industry if they don't genuinely and highly love pussy.)
Wrong, there are absolutely straight 4 pay performers and they are all over twitter practically bragging about this fact. lol

He said Viagra is available like candy, but the blue pills are useless and powerless sometimes when all the guys involved are straight. That might explain why the company has since decided to hire only gay performers. They've probably had it with losses in overhead and work time.
They don't only hire gay performers now. Within the past few months they have had at least 3 g4p actors film hardcore scenes.

I also have to add that a lot of the fault lies in the gay community itself, like I implied with how gay men are actually dismissive of the concept of bisexuality to begin with. The biphobia seems to be more active and vigorous from us than anywhere else and we're ironically applying the same willful ignorance and discrimination to them in the same way that we have been subject to it ourselves throughout history. But to me, it doesn't come from a place of hatred but of exasperation & frustration. It's saying "Hey you, STFU and stop denying that you're gay just like us! Join us and join the struggle and fight. We need you here, you fellow queers & fags!" But that unfortunately denies any nuance and complexity that are present whether we agree that they exist or not.
I do agree there is a lot of biphobia within the gay community, hell right here on this very website.

*Part of the reason I can personally attest to this is that although I've had some (it hasn't been THAT many lol) unsolicited offers to have sex for money, I was wondering why I've only accepted a few of them and I've turned down most even when I was broke and needed the cash lol!! And it's so hilarious and ironic that I just got this text again from someone who keeps bugging me just now. See, I couldn't even name a price. I just don't know if I could stomach it without knowing who it is and what I'm getting myself into. Lol
Well you can only speak for yourself, you don't represent all same sex attracted men do you? You can't stomach it.... but someone else can (and will)
 

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Im with it I'm straight but love to have sex and getting head from men what's good

1. You're reading into it too much. The guy didn't say he liked sex with men because sex in general felt good and he didn't mind where it came from. They guy said he liked sex with guys period. He didn't elaborate, so you're assuming quite a bit based on limited information.

You've obviously put a lot of thought into it but you've also missed a very important point.

Also, as you can see from what I highlighted in his comment, he actually specifically stated that he's straight before everything, regardless of anything else he does sexually, which is actually the concept I am trying to explain here. That piece of fact is actually the most salient aspect of his statement that is at the heart of my thesis that you are either not understanding or intentionally avoiding in order not to address directly.
 

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There are absolutely plenty of gay sex workers too. They do their jobs just like anyone else. Money is money at the end of the day. This logic is ridiculous sorry. Female sex workers have to work with gross johns all the time even if they are heterosexual and "actually attracted to men". It's about doing a job. There are certainly plenty of g4p sex workers but it isn't as simple as "they are not attracted therefore it' easier". A lot of older gays prefer the straights since they have their str8 chasing fantasy so the g4p guys would dominate ofc.


Wrong, there are absolutely straight 4 pay performers and they are all over twitter practically bragging about this fact. lol

They don't only hire gay performers now. Within the past few months they have had at least 3 g4p actors film hardcore scenes.


I do agree there is a lot of biphobia within the gay community, hell right here on this very website.


Well you can only speak for yourself, you don't represent all same sex attracted men do you? You can't stomach it.... but someone else can (and will)
1. [There are absolutely plenty of gay sex workers too. ]

I never said anything to the contrary. My point was that it seems the count of straight men in that particular niche of the oldest profession is highly disproportionate to what one might expect naturally/intuitively. The rest of that comment is the same usual, predictable strawman shit that deserves no proper response. If I never said it or can be implied implicitly from what I stated explicitly, you just imagined it so you go fight that "strawman monster" yourself.

2. [Wrong, there are absolutely straight 4 pay performers and they are all over twitter practically bragging about this fact. lol]

[They don't only hire gay performers now. Within the past few months they have had at least 3 g4p actors film hardcore scenes.]

Sorry, I don't follow Sean Cody anymore and definitely not their Twitter. But thanks for proving my point. They used to be at least 95% G4P, not...2, 3% now?

3. [I do agree there is a lot of biphobia within the gay community, hell right here on this very website.]

You get a point for getting one thing right.

4. [Well you can only speak for yourself, you don't represent all same sex attracted men do you? You can't stomach it.... but someone else can (and will)]

Well, another obvious thing that didn't need repeating. But I take away that point now because you again didn't get what the actual one was.

Thanks for participating anyway.
 

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1. [There are absolutely plenty of gay sex workers too. ]

I never said anything to the contrary. My point was that it seems the count of straight men in that particular niche of the oldest profession is highly disproportionate to what one might expect naturally/intuitively. The rest of that comment is the same usual, predictable strawman shit that deserves no proper response. If I never said it or can be implied implicitly from what I stated explicitly, you just imagined it so you go fight that "strawman monster" yourself.

2. [Wrong, there are absolutely straight 4 pay performers and they are all over twitter practically bragging about this fact. lol]

[They don't only hire gay performers now. Within the past few months they have had at least 3 g4p actors film hardcore scenes.]

Sorry, I don't follow Sean Cody anymore and definitely not their Twitter. But thanks for proving my point. They used to be at least 95% G4P, not...2, 3% now?

3. [I do agree there is a lot of biphobia within the gay community, hell right here on this very website.]

You get a point for getting one thing right.

4. [Well you can only speak for yourself, you don't represent all same sex attracted men do you? You can't stomach it.... but someone else can (and will)]

Well, another obvious thing that didn't need repeating. But I take away that point now because you again didn't get what the actual one was.

Thanks for participating anyway.
You're way too condescending dude first of all. Get off that high horse and relax. No one was attacking you personally and I didn't strawman anything. I was providing additional context that you completely ignored because it didn't suit your narrative. That's not my problem. Lol

I don't need your points either btw. Keep that pretentious shit thanks.
 

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Female sex workers have to work with gross johns all the time even if they are heterosexual and "actually attracted to men".

WOMEN DON'T NEED TO HAVE ERECT COCKS FOR SEX WORK BECAUSE:

1. THEY HAVE NO PENISES AT ALL.

2. IT'S JUST NOT REQUIRED BY BOTH THE PORN & ESCORT INDUSTRIES. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, ASK THEIR UNIONS OR ANY FEMALE FRIEND/FAMILY THAT YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A FEMALE IN THE NUDE YET.

So it follows that their opinions on their "Johns" matter almost to completely insignificant if not nonexistent levels. In contrast, it's diametrically opposed to the case of men because psychologically/physiologically, revulsion for a sexual partner can be absolutely debilitating to their sexual performance. Like I said, it's instinctive and is controlled by the autonomic nervous system -- the part that controls our heart rate, blood pressure, sweating, etc, all the basic functions we don't have any control over. That reaction is so much more consequential than the effect of the mere indifference most straight males feel towards other males regardless of their looks, age, etc. Think about it, it's so powerful that sometimes even something your partner says (just ONE stupid remark) can kill that vibe and erection for the rest of the night even in a normal, casual encounter and even in a loving long-term relationship where it may actually be worse sometimes, depending on the situation. Now, imagine doing it sometimes multiple times daily or in front of a film crew for hours as your job.

This was the only significant thing you actually came up with, and it's only salient in the way that it actually helped my argument by highlighting a very essential point that you not only again got wrong but also happens to be what people keep missing about how difficult it actually is to pretend to be straight as a man and to be a male sex worker for gay men VS the opposite. Period. I stressed the peculiarity of straight men being sex workers for gays, let alone be in the high proportions they seem to be in for this specific reason. Let's please keep this important factor in mind all throughout this discussion.
 

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You're way too condescending dude first of all. Get off that high horse and relax. No one was attacking you personally and I didn't strawman anything. I was providing additional context that you completely ignored because it didn't suit your narrative. That's not ny problem. I don't need your points either btw. keep that pretentious shit thanks.
Lol. The truth is condescending. I'm just straightforward, not rude. This is so Tesla-rich coming from you because of the actual unprovoked and UNDERSERVED attempt at "condescension" within your actually rude AF comment for absolutely no logical reason that you could be proud of. When you start an answer with "Wrong," just please make sure that you didn't get the premise you responded to wrong yourself first. Adding incorrect shit is "not adding context." Well, at least NOT the one that the discussion and that I certainly needed and wanted.

Again, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PAST PARTICIPATION.
 

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I don't need your points either btw. Keep that pretentious shit thanks.

The word "pretentious" comes from the same root "pretense" that also is the one for "pretend." I am not pretending to be anything here. I am being honest. I have no reason to lie to strangers who don't know me, especially when it comes to discussing a subject that is extremely interesting, relatable and significant to me personally, and that I have been seeking the fundamental psychological, sociological and biological truth about. Arguments only need the correct counterarguments to be proven wrong. I never pretended that there are none for mine. All you have to do is present them correctly and nicely. I will then address them the same way as they deserve. Quid pro quo.

So you go smoke and/or drink whatever you like and relax. I will keep riding my stallions or let them drive me whenever and if I want to, thanks.
 

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No one was attacking you personally and I didn't strawman anything. I was providing additional context that you completely ignored because it didn't suit your narrative. That's not my problem. Lol

I don't need your points either btw. Keep that pretentious shit thanks.
I also never said anything about being "attacked personally." You claimed in your very first paragraph that I stated something I literally never did and never expressed even figuratively. That's literally what a "strawman" is; it's the oldest and most boring trick in the book of fallacies in argumentation. So if I ignored them, it's because they're all just in your head! Lol. It's YOUR problem, not mine. Plus, you need schooling in context analysis, basic arithmetic including ratio & proportion and proper analogy per logic. That's not my problem either.

And can we all stop using "narrative" please? This is not a creative fiction class. Talk about PRETENTIOUS.
 

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Oh so you're just unhinged. Anyway... Hitting ignore now.
Now, there goes the predictable and now-clear AD HOMINEM (the first reply was just a lame toe-dip attempt lol). Right on time. Lmao!! The ultimate expression of defeat. Do you even know what "unhinged" means? I actually studied some psychology in undergrad and went to med school where psychiatry is, of course, part of the clinical course. The word is not a technical one for us. But you don't know even layman terms. Hit that ignore button and hit them books! You're welcome.
 
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JFC girls, stop the arguing! Jeezus! You're like a gaggle of 20-year-old girls!
Ssshh, this is a serious discussion among intelligent adults. Go grab your leash and play with your dom bitch. I just dismissed her. She's lonely.
 

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Ssshh, this is a serious discussion among intelligent adults. Go grab your leash and play with your dom bitch. I just dismissed her. She's lonely.
That wasn't necessary. I've issued a warning and given you a break from this thread.
 

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[Would you call a guy (and I find this to be the most common variant of the heteroflexibles actually) -- who just loves getting head from guys only because we are waaaay better at it than most women -- "bisexual" or even "gay." Some of them actually love getting head from men so much but are so NOT attracted to them that it gave birth to the "glory hole" fetish.]

Personally I would call him bi.
Gay if he only dates men and only have sex with men.
That’s just my opinion.

Grew up thinking there were only gays and straights. Then meet a boy my age that was attracted to boys as well as girls. He would kiss both and date both. To me he was bi.

Decades later on the Internet a different guy posted two photos. One of an over weight woman and one of an over weight man. Said he liked both. That’s a bi guy to me.