The New Yorker Obama Cover

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I have to believe that Trinity is on someone's payroll and that she is employed to create havoc with language and reason using Propaganda101 techniques. You've drawn her into your political/social/cultural discussion where she's been assigned either by the church or the Dept of misinformation. She's still a low level operative and transparent. You've outed her. Bravo.
 

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If you can come up with an idea for a satirical cartoon about Bush or McCain that both is as far from reality as the one under discussion here and whose contents are accepted as factual by tens of millions of Americans, then you will have made your point.

I made one up for McCain already earlier in this post.

Now for George Bush:

Bush in the Oval Office snorting coke, one hand is shaking the hand of a rich sheik and the other is stabbing an Iraqi in the back with a knife. The Constitution is burning in the fireplace, with a portrait of Satan in the background, the wallpaper in made of $100 bills.
 

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The cover has MAJOR problem as political satire. usually with a Political Satire cartoon, the artist tries to exaggerate something that is based in the truth. For example, Obama has been portrayed as arrogant and elitist(things I don't believe are true), but a cartoon exaggerating these aspects of Senator obama would be totally fair game. This cartoon serves to exaggerate and play up things that are NOT TRUE about the Obamas. That he is a muslim, that he is beholden to Bin'laden, that his wife is a 60's style radical angry black woman. In my opinion this is where the cartoon goes WAY over the line.

Quite true. The article inside has nothing to do with the cover. If it truly is a satire, it's a poor attempt.
 

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I have to believe that Trinity is on someone's payroll and that she is employed to create havoc with language and reason using Propaganda101 techniques. You've drawn her into your political/social/cultural discussion where she's been assigned either by the church or the Dept of misinformation. She's still a low level operative and transparent. You've outed her. Bravo.

Victimization at it's finest...LoL. Michelle Obama was undignified in her action of "fist bumping" her husband. "Booyah Barack!" That is on her. No one is creating havoc or using propaganda against The Obamas or their supporters.
 

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Sure, "dap" is perfectly normal and acceptable in the Black Community but there is a time and place for everything. I can't recall the last time in a high level Job Interview an African American went "Booyah!" when offered the position. :rolleyes:

Now you're just being pretentious. "Booyah" and giving dap are two completely different things.

Yes, It appeared to be highly undignified for a potential First Lady to do to her husband: Booyah Barack! Michelle, being is so intelligent and accomplished...needs to become a little more refined.



Michelle's own husband had a drug problem. Obama seemingly maintains he still has his dignity after "searching to find himself" and hard drug use as a young adult. President Clinton's infidelities? I guess John F. Kennedy's infidelities meant he had no dignity...Obama better run from that comparison he loves so much! What, with his own hard drug use and being compared to an undignified philanderer AND married to a woman who wants to be First Lady and goes around going "BooYah"...it doesn't make Obama look too good. :wink:

Wow Obama smoked a lil weed in college and did a few lines. Are we forgetting McCain's junkie ass wife?



I don't agree with that...some may learn about candidates that way...and some people learn part of what they know about candidates that way. And some actually find out about candidates for President and don't let talking heads tell them what to think or a candidate's image machine delude them with rockstar personas or empty rhetoric of hope and change...some people actually look at four decades of work and service and think for themselves.

Sounds like you're insinuating that the POW thing makes McCain more fir to be president, even though his only platform is war.



By my definition Obama is unknown because he has a weak record and slim resume. Obama has not put in the work to instill trust in knowing what Obama can be trusted with, given power.

Yep, he sure can't be trusted. Oh wait, didn't McCain cheat on his disabled wife with an heiress and eventually leave her for teh heiress? Very trustworthy.



Oh no, FISA and Obama's many other flip flops has his own people staging an uproar...the issues aren't being ignored. People will choose to vote for or not to vote for Obama because of the issues and whether they believe in and trust the candidate.

You can't even give an example of an Obama flip flip while McCain has been flip flopping in peace for the last 6 months because the spotlight has been on Obama. If anything, you're the flip flopper for explicitly stating that you would vote for whoever the dem. nominee is, then doing a complete 180 when irrational ass Hilary didn't win.
 

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Victimization at it's finest...LoL. Michelle Obama was undignified in her action of "fist bumping" her husband. "Booyah Barack!" That is on her. No one is creating havoc or using propaganda against The Obamas or their supporters.
You have to be kidding me! Undignified by fist-bumping?You show your total lack of knowledge of Current American Culture. "Fist Bumping" is a very common practice these days.......Have you ever watched sports? Observed young people? It ususally means, Job Well Done....which was a totally appropriate gesture to her husband the night he became the pre-sumptive nominee. What rock did you crawl out from under???..or are you one of the people who believes fist bumping is a secret terrorist handshake, as reported in the ver so unbiased, Fox News........GOOD GRIEF!
 

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You have to be kidding me! Undignified by fist-bumping?You show your total lack of knowledge of Current American Culture. "Fist Bumping" is a very common practice these days.......Have you ever watched sports? Observed young people? It ususally means, Job Well Done....which was a totally appropriate gesture to her husband the night he became the pre-sumptive nominee. What rock did you crawl out from under???..or are you one of the people who believes fist bumping is a secret terrorist handshake, as reported in the ver so unbiased, Fox News........GOOD GRIEF!

She should be given a spot betwen Hannity and O'reilly.
 

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I made one up for McCain already earlier in this post.

Now for George Bush:

Bush in the Oval Office snorting coke, one hand is shaking the hand of a rich sheik and the other is stabbing an Iraqi in the back with a knife. The Constitution is burning in the fireplace, with a portrait of Satan in the background, the wallpaper in made of $100 bills.

Hmmm. Maybe. But it seems to me that it's hard to strike the balance of blatant falsehood and popular belief in Bush's case. E.g., the rumors of Bush's use of cocaine during his wild years have never, so far as I know, been either confirmed or refuted by credible evidence, so that one satisfies the condition of being widely believed but not the condition of being blatantly false. If the idea is that he is now a cocaine addict, that would meet the falsehood condition but not the belief condition -- only extreme flakes (at both ends of the political spectrum) believe anything like that. The idea of Bush shaking hands with a rich sheik would be widely believed but is plain fact, reflecting the actual coziness between the Bush and the Saud families, so no falsehood there. Having him worship Satan would again be something believed only by a few flakes at the political extremes. The wallpaper of $100 bills would reflect the idea that one of his primary political aims has been to enrich those who are already rich, which is certainly widely believed but which seems to me simply true. I think your case is strongest with him stabbing an Iraqi and burning the Constitution, but both of those have a basis in fact: he ordered an invasion that took thousands of Iraqi lives and whose consequences have taken tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives, and he has circumvented the powers of Congress through the use of signing statements and enacted policies of arbitrary arrest, detention, and torture of people in the United States and abroad.

I don't suppose that any of what I have said proves anything about the main point: if I cavil at one idea for a cartoon, you or someone else might come up with another that purports to be parallel to the one about Obama. But it seems to me that it is a hard case to make out. Most of what one can come up with that puts Bush in a bad light and reflects widely held beliefs about him does not fly in the face of fact in the way that the Obama cartoon does.
 

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Most of what one can come up with that puts Bush in a bad light and reflects widely held beliefs about him does not fly in the face of fact in the way that the Obama cartoon does.

So you are saying that these are facts?

Obama wears African-Muslim clothing.
He burns flags.
Admires Bin Laden
His wife is a Black Panther.
 

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So you are saying that these are facts?

Obama wears African-Muslim clothing.
He burns flags.
Admires Bin Laden
His wife is a Black Panther.

No. I don't see how you draw that implication out of what I said. I said, as you quote me: "Most of what one can come up with that puts Bush in a bad light and reflects widely held beliefs about him does not fly in the face of fact in the way that the Obama cartoon does." I said this in support of my claim that one cannot come up with a parallel in Bush's case to the Obama cartoon (or at least that it is very difficult to do so). Any cartoon of Bush (or whomever) whose implications are either based in fact or not widely believed fails to constitute a parallel.
 

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Wow Obama smoked a lil weed in college and did a few lines. Are we forgetting McCain's junkie ass wife?

My response about Obama's hard drug use was in response to Choco kittie referencing Cindy McCain's drug problem...so no that wasn't forgotten. You need to read.

Sounds like you're insinuating that the POW thing makes McCain more fir to be president, even though his only platform is war.

Actually I was referring to Sen. Hillary Clinton's four decades of work and service. In Unity, New Hampshire Sen. Clinton gave a speech which referred to her four decades and Obama praised it as well.

Yep, he sure can't be trusted. Oh wait, didn't McCain cheat on his disabled wife with an heiress and eventually leave her for teh heiress? Very trustworthy.

John McCain was a POW for five and half years...tortured and held captive in the harshest conditions and survived to come home to his wife crippled by a car accident. A soldier recovering from terrible wounds physical and mental and his wife recovering from terrible damage herself both physical and mental. Any marriage would have suffered from the weight of all of that. John McCain's first wife Carol doesn't condemn him, but some people believe McCain was selfish and moved on to greener pastures ie a younger healthly and wealthy woman. John McCain didn't just abandon his first wife. Her accident happened in 1969. McCain home from Hanoi in 1973. Their divorce occurred in 1980.


Carol (John McCain's first wife) insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. 'I have no bitterness,'
she says. 'My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn't the reason for my divorce.
'My marriage ended because John McCain didn't want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.' - The Huffington Post

John McCain:
This is a man who served his country in a time of war, whose grandfather and father were both admirals in the United States Navy, who was himself a naval aviator, and was almost killed on July 29, 1967 when he was at the epicenter of the fire aboard the USS Forrestal. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.

With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany where he continued to fly combat missions until being shot down over Hanoi on Oct. 26, 1967.
This was his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam, his crash injuries included both legs and one arm broken, and when he regained consciousness a crowd attacked him, (shown at right) crushing his shoulder with a rifle butt and stabbing him with bayonets. He was then taken to Hanoi's main Hoa La prison more generally known as the "Hanoi Hilton."

His captors refused to treat his wounds, and instead beat him and interrogated him. When they found out his father was an Admiral, they announced his capture and attempted to use him for propaganda. McCain never gave them what they wanted, no information and no recorded statements, and they transferred him to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi.

There, he spent six weeks in the hospital, receiving marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds and was in a body cast, his hair had turned white. He was then locked into a cell with two other Americans who didn't expect him to live for a week. In March 1968, McCain was placed in solitary confinement, where he remained for the next two years.

In mid-1968, McCain's father was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and McCain was offered early release. The North Vietnamese wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes, and also wanted to show other POWs that what they called "elites" like McCain were willing to be treated preferentially. McCain turned down the offer of repatriation; he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well. He wouldn't play their game, wouldn't harm his country even if it meant more torture and possibly even death for himself.

And that's exactly what it did mean -- In August of 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain. McCain was subjected to repeated beatings and rope bindings, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery. After four days of beatings and torture, denial of food and water, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession". He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he would later write, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine." His injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head. He subsequently received two to three beatings per week because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.
McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory. From late 1969 on, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable, while McCain continued to be an active resister against the camp authorities. McCain and other prisoners cheered the B-52-led U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972 as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.

Altogether, McCain was held as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was finally released from captivity on March 14, 1973. McCain's return to the United States reunited him with his wife and family. His wife Carol had suffered her own crippling ordeal during his captivity, due to an automobile accident in December 1969.
 

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If he's gonna be president all I can say is he better get used to it. It isn't gonna get any better. He'll be all over SNL. There probably hoping that Obama wins so they don't have to hire someone new to play and old guy or spend a fortune on makeup.
 

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You have to be kidding me! Undignified by fist-bumping?You show your total lack of knowledge of Current American Culture. "Fist Bumping" is a very common practice these days.......Have you ever watched sports? Observed young people? It ususally means, Job Well Done....which was a totally appropriate gesture to her husband the night he became the pre-sumptive nominee. What rock did you crawl out from under???..or are you one of the people who believes fist bumping is a secret terrorist handshake, as reported in the ver so unbiased, Fox News........GOOD GRIEF!
As I stated, there is a time and place for everything. Fist bumping probably is more appropriate in the sports arena and not for a potential First Lady to do to a potential Presidential Nominee. Jackie O. high fives JFK right before Pres. Kennedy accepts the Presidential nomination! Umm no...:rolleyes:
You can't even give an example of an Obama flip flip while McCain has been flip flopping in peace for the last 6 months because the spotlight has been on Obama. If anything, you're the flip flopper for explicitly stating that you would vote for whoever the dem. nominee is, then doing a complete 180 when irrational ass Hilary didn't win.
I already gave examples of Obama's many flip flops on major issues. You don't read. Do you know why there are polls? trends? daily tracking? Because voter preferences change the more we discover about the candidates and the presidential race. There was no flip flop on my part. I would still be supporting the Democratic Nominee had the Democratic Party not acted against its own rules and principles. On the DNC website they are calling for election reform so that one person one vote can be truly realized. If the Democratic Party stands for that principle they will have to see to the Nomination Process being fair. In order for a valid Nominee to be elected and not selected...the unfairness of the caucuses, the Democratic allocation of delegates, the farce of the RBC meeting must be addressed. In addition a Roll Call Vote must take place on the Convention floor with no preconditions and Hillary Clinton's name must be on the Ballot.


Just a few Obama Flip Flops:

Campaign-finance reform, 6/19/08
FISA, 6/25/08
Gun control, 6/28/08
MoveOn.org, 6/30/08
Welfare recipients, 7/1/08
Separation of church and state, 7/1/08
Ending the Iraq war, 7/2/08


On FISA Obama said: "I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grassroots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty." - Barack Obama

Sens. Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) and Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) continue to oppose the new legislation...
 

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Quite foolish of you to relate college partying to stealing and becoming addicted to prescription drugs. But then again, look who I'm talking to.

Obama abused cocaine. Obama's hard drug use is not excused. Drug abuse was compared to drug abuse, but I guess your mind was not able to grasp that.

There you have it. People change their minds everyday. So he's wrong for changing his mind in favor of something that actually makes sense?

LOL. Obama's move to the center makes him look less the candidate of change and more the candidate of changing his mind. What does he stand for? The issues he champions fall by the wayside on a weekly basis. Obama is upsetting his base of the left, and confusing those he is attempting to appeal to because they don't find consistency in him.

Presidential Candidates don't change their positions everyday...unless you are Obama.

Obama's transformation from critic to champion of welfare reform is the latest in a series of moves to the center. Since capturing the Democratic nomination, the Obama campaign has altered its stances on Social Security taxes, meeting with rogue leaders without preconditions, and the constitutionality of Washington, D.C.'s, sweeping gun ban.

Explain how Obama changing his mind on these issues makes sense. Obama appears to stand for nothing but getting elected.