The New Yorker Obama Cover

[ledroit]

What say you?

That cover pisses me off. The NYer should be smart enough to know that political "satire" is always way of attacking the object of satire, never the simpletons who live by fear. The GOP learned this years ago, and made attacks, satirical or not, their specialty.

I recommend canceling your subscription if you have one. People have suffered enough from political boys and their lapdogs in the US who think stupid is cute.

 

[Trinity]

Like singling out just one because of personal vendetta is any better.................

Obama hasn't been singled out....he singled himself out by running on a message of change. McCain's changes don't compare to Obama's shifts and better was expected from the Democratic Nominee after his high flying rhetoric.

The man is running for President of the United States. And this is America. And we have something called a constitution. And Obama has to earn votes to win the election. This is not a personal vendetta because voters choose not to support Obama because: Obama isn't qualified, because he has a slim resume, because he lacks substance, because gives empty rhetoric of hope and change, and because he flip flops on positions he claimed to stand strong for...that is actually on Obama.

Why is it when Obama doesn't get his way, he always claims he isn't being treated fairly? Obama followers make Obama look weak...Even McCain spoke to the NAACP and took it like a man. Obama wants to be handicapped through the whole election...Hillary was right. Obama needs a pillow at every turn.

 

[losangelestim]

it's a joke, right? and not really all that funny. i chuckled and tossed it into the recycler. i was really surprised it became controversial

 

[marleyisalegend]

Even McCain spoke to the NAACP and took it like a man. Obama wants to be handicapped through the whole election...Hillary was right. Obama needs a pillow at every turn.

LOL, he looked so uncomfortable and out of place you could see it on his face.

 

[b.c.]

Like singling out just one because of personal vendetta is any better.................

You didn't really expect any different from this person, did you. She wants to raise issues about Obama, but when you hold McCain under the same microscope she responds that your argument is weak, it doesn't apply, or some other bullshit.

Now the spin is, Obama's flip flops are worse than McCain's because how could we have expected any better of McCain?


wtf???????

 

[marleyisalegend]

You didn't really expect any different from this person, did you. She wants to raise issues about Obama, but when you hold McCain under the same microscope she responds that your argument is weak, it doesn't apply, or some other bullshit.

Now the spin is, Obama's flip flops are worse than McCain's because how could we have expected any better of McCain?


wtf???????

How come no one's mentioned yet that Mccain voted against Martin Luther King's holiday for nearly a decade?? Worst of all, the scumbag FINALLY turned around and MILKED MLK FROM THE GRAVE by holding a photo-op at the Lorraine motel. Fucking disgusting.

 

[B_stu.kay823]

As an independent observer, I have to say that I think America is not ready for either candidate. You're making history on November 4, whichever way you look at it. Choose wisely (those who do).

Obama needs to bring the South with him, or else he has no hope.

 

[mista geechee]

Obama hasn't been singled out....he singled himself out by running on a message of change. McCain's changes don't compare to Obama's shifts and better was expected from the Democratic Nominee after his high flying rhetoric.

The man is running for President of the United States. And this is America. And we have something called a constitution. And Obama has to earn votes to win the election. This is not a personal vendetta because voters choose not to support Obama because: Obama isn't qualified, because he has a slim resume, because he lacks substance, because gives empty rhetoric of hope and change, and because he flip flops on positions he claimed to stand strong for...that is actually on Obama.

Why is it when Obama doesn't get his way, he always claims he isn't being treated fairly? Obama followers make Obama look weak...Even McCain spoke to the NAACP and took it like a man. Obama wants to be handicapped through the whole election...Hillary was right. Obama needs a pillow at every turn.

Sorry but your use of the term "flip flop" and trivial claims of Obama's insufficiencies are becoming trite. Plain and simple.

McCain is the empty one. His only platform is war. War war war war war. He said it himself that he " doesn't understand the economy ". That's like a brain surgeon that doesn't understand cerebellums.

He wants to cut taxes, keep one war going on while augmenting another at the same time, and give 300 million to whoever makes a new battery. While pumping precious dollars into drilling offshore for oil that we will burn up in 2 years, even though it will take us atleast 5 to get to it and get the first drop. Assuming it's there.

All he wants to do is fight a war. That's all he knows. Can't you see that? Or are you blinded by your abbhorance for a nominee that's actually smarter than you ? But wait, if he's smarter than you, that means he's elitist right?

You are singling him out.

You remind me of when Kevin James was on Hardball a few months ago. You Can repeat what you hear but you really can't explain it or comprehend it. You just say it because it sounds good.

 

[marleyisalegend]

Sorry but your use of the term "flip flop" and trivial claims of Obama's insufficiencies are becoming trite. Plain and simple.

Flip-flop is a cheap term used by people who don't understand the complexities of campaigning and policy-making. THANKS to a flip-fliop on the constitutional right to bear arms, we've made it harder for anybody to get firearms. Adjusting, compromising, flip-flopping, they're all the same thing except if you want to make someone look bad you call it flip-flopping.

 

[deleted15807]

Sorry but your use of the term "flip flop" and trivial claims of Obama's insufficiencies are becoming trite. Plain and simple.

McCain is the empty one. His only platform is war. War war war war war. He said it himself that he " doesn't understand the economy ". That's like a brain surgeon that doesn't understand cerebellums.

He wants to cut taxes, keep one war going on while augmenting another at the same time, and give 300 million to whoever makes a new battery. While pumping precious dollars into drilling offshore for oil that we will burn up in 2 years, even though it will take us atleast 5 to get to it and get the first drop. Assuming it's there.

All he wants to do is fight a war. That's all he knows. Can't you see that? Or are you blinded by your abbhorance for a nominee that's actually smarter than you ? But wait, if he's smarter than you, that means he's elitist right?

You are singling him out.

You remind me of when Kevin James was on Hardball a few months ago. You Can repeat what you hear but you really can't explain it or comprehend it. You just say it because it sounds good.

Hint: The ignore function is the only sensible path to take with Trinity. Anytime, anywhere an opportunity to say something against Obama or his wife or his family boom she appears out of no where.

 

[b.c.]

Flip-flop is a cheap term used by people who don't understand the complexities of campaigning and policy-making. THANKS to a flip-fliop on the constitutional right to bear arms, we've made it harder for anybody to get firearms. Adjusting, compromising, flip-flopping, they're all the same thing except if you want to make someone look bad you call it flip-flopping.

Well Obama has written of that too (in his book) and of the need for compromise, dialogue, and diplomacy. Some would consider the ability to take another look at a position, to hear all sides of it, to evaluate it, and to change one's position after said careful examination, an asset, rather than a liability. Far more preferable perhaps than stubborn and steadfast refusal to even consider alternative solutions, points of view, or compromise.

In fact one can say there are "flip flops" written into our plan of government...27 of them to date. They're called "amendments".

 

[marleyisalegend]

Some would consider the ability to take another look at a position, to hear all sides of it, to evaluate it, and to change one's position after said careful examination, an asset, rather than a liability. Far more preferable perhaps than stubborn and steadfast refusal to even consider alternative solutions, points of view, or compromise.

These are the people that aren't afraid of change. For some people this goes back to fears and prejudices. A white person talking about change is revolutionary, a black person talking about it is scary.

 

[mista geechee]

Well Obama has written of that too (in his book) and of the need for compromise, dialogue, and diplomacy. Some would consider the ability to take another look at a position, to hear all sides of it, to evaluate it, and to change one's position after said careful examination, an asset, rather than a liability. Far more preferable perhaps than stubborn and steadfast refusal to even consider alternative solutions, points of view, or compromise.

In fact one can say there are "flip flops" written into our plan of government...27 of them to date. They're called "amendments".

Very true. Nowadays being some dogmatic assface means you're "firm in your beliefs and confident" when really it means you are just close minded and a borderline bigot.

 

[B_Nick4444]

These are the people that aren't afraid of change. For some people this goes back to fears and prejudices. A white person talking about change is revolutionary, a black person talking about it is scary.

Very true. Nowadays being some dogmatic assface means you're "firm in your beliefs and confident" when really it means you are just close minded and a borderline bigot.

biting my lip really hard

 

[marleyisalegend]

biting my lip really hard

Good, black people do drivebys if we hear something we don't like.

No need for you to bite your tongue, and no need to counter what I said. I'm sure the obvious spin would've been: "There you go Marley, callin' the world racist for not voting for Obama."

NO. SOME PEOPLE are prejudice against him. If you don't believe that, you've had your head in the sand since you were born. I'm not calling EVERYONE who doesn't vote for Obama prejudice, I just KNOW that some people are, and it's a fair guess that Obama doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at their votes. There ARE plenty of people not voting for him for valid reasons.

As a matter of fucking fact, I'll call out the other side. There are plenty of stupid, ignorant black people who probably can't spell "Obama" and never voted in their lives, that are giving him their vote simply because he's black. Mccain doesn't have a shot at their votes cuz he's "the white devil."

See that? See how easy it is to acknowledge BOTH sides instead of sticking to your own like it's the gospel truth!

If you have a problem with people mentioning bigotry, take it up with bigots. Like the man who ran over a black woman on a bicycle then screamed racial slurs at her and said that he wanted to kill all blacks because a black man slept with his wife. No, this isn't a flashback to 1964, this happened this past weekend. The woman's in the hospital with serious injuries.

THOSE are the people we're talking about. Before you even get the chance, I'm letting you know that we're NOT talking about EVERY anti-Barackian, just some. Now, what were you gonna say boo?

 

[SpeedoGuy]

NO. SOME PEOPLE are prejudice against him. If you don't believe that, you've had your head in the sand since you were born. I'm not calling EVERYONE who doesn't vote for Obama prejudice, I just KNOW that some people are, and it's a fair guess that Obama doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell at their votes.

Oh so true.

http://action.credomobile.com/comics/TMW06-25-08original_image.jpg

 

[mista geechee]

Well Marley has a point. Besides, wasn't there a poll in Pennsylvania or West Virginia where 16% of voters said race was a deciding factor? Straight from the horses mouth there.

Funny how all Fox Noise can do is go after Obama for fist bumping his wife.

 

[Trinity]

A defense on changing one's mind to better ideas has absolutely nothing to do what Obama has done in recent months on his positions which were to be his platform. Obama has yet to consistently stand for anything. Were all of his positions wrong to begin with? Then a shift to the center wouldn't be viewed as him doing anything for votes, just weak ideas.

Talking about Obama's shifts in abstract is truly demeaning the battle people who supported him are having with him. Markos of the Daily Kos is finding Obama lackluster now and decided not to max out a donation to him and posted his decision on his website. On Obama's own website groups have formed to divert donations to others who stood firm against FISA.

Obama is compromising his fundamental message. Part of Obama's central message was as President he would sit down with rogue leaders with no preconditions and then had to change his tune. It's been argued that Obama's critique of standard policy was for the most part, inept and naive.

Centrism isn't a problem in and of itself...the issue is Obama isn't who he said he was...he is whatever he needs to be at the time.

As a Democrat I don't focus on the Republican Nominee. If I'm discussing the issues I have voting for Obama I'm not going to bring up McCain in order to give Obama a pillow. LOL. I will leave it to Obama supporters to use that weak argument...no matter how weak Obama is McCain did this or that too!

Obama already has the weakest Republican brand to run against, the least liked Republican candidate for the Republican base, and a greater number of Independents and Democrats over identified Republicans in history...and Obama still isn't blowing the race out of the water...because he is not the strongest candidate.

 

[Industrialsize]

Hey Trinity..I'm told, that if you play his victory speech last month backwards you will hear the first half dozen chapters of the Koran. Go on. Check it out.



and actually, Senator obama is doing just fine electorally:
Barack Obama 255
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-solid.gif 153 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/dem-leaning.gif 102 Leaning

John McCain 163
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-solid.gif 90 Solid http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/images/gop-leaning.gif 73 Leaning

 

[Trinity]

Hey Trinity..I'm told, that if you play his victory speech last month backwards you will hear the first half dozen chapters of the Koran. Go on. Check it out.

and actually, Senator obama is doing just fine electorally:
Barack Obama 255
153 Solid 102 Leaning

John McCain 163
90 Solid 73 Leaning

The electoral map for July may not be the electoral map in November. To break down the map you look at the polls. Polls show the race closer than most would have thought. The undecided voters and voters who change their vote will decide the election.

Rasmussen:

The poll results also show that Obama would have an easier go of it against two of McCain’s chief rivals for the Republican nomination. The presumptive Democratic nominee leads former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney by eight points 49% to 41% and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee 50% to 39%.

However, McCain fares better against Obama than he does against two other prominent Democrats. New York Senator Hillary Clinton leads McCain by eight points, 50% to 42%. Former Vice President Al Gore, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, leads McCain 50% to 43%.

These numbers help explain why Election 2008 is competitive even though events so heavily favor the Democrats -- because the Republicans are on course to nominate their strongest possible general election candidate but the Democrats are not. Perhaps even more importantly, the data suggests that voters don’t see a potential McCain Administration as the third term of President Bush.

In all five hypothetical match-ups featured in this article, the Democrat leads the Republican among unaffiliated voters. In the match-up between the two presumptive nominees, McCain holds a slight edge over Obama among those voters.