The oldest profession

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  1. jdoe86

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    I am about to open a can of worms. How do you feel about prostitutuion? What is prostitution to you? If you accept gifts are you a prostitute? Is prostitution a victimless crime like they say? Should prostitution be legal like in Nevada? Wow, a lot to think about.
     
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    jerkin4-10: WOW george...what a can to open...well heres my opinion.
    1. there is a need for 'proper' prostitution. The triple amputee, the guy that just need to blow off some steam while away from home, the guy thats wife has become 'sexless' and has no inclination to try to please her husband and on and on. IF and thats a BIG IF, prostitution is run properly it is a service to those in need.
    2.the gift thing...i aint touching  that...
    3.'proper' prostitution is victimless, i think...not talking about streetwalkers with pimps and the like, im talking about call girls, massage girls, houses with a madam...where people are clean, behaved and it takes the 'nasty' out of it...
    4.well prostitution is legal in nevada ONLY in towns with populations less than 200,000...but i think if there were laws and controls, yeah it would be a good thing...

    just my personal opinion people...i know a couple of ladies here in the area that are 'professionals' and they are delightful people, not raped by their stepfathers, and that kind of disfunctionality just enjoy sex and providing it...
     
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    I'd like to add, we allow for porn, which is also having sex for money! It's a victimless crime, provided that no one has any nasty diseases.
     
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    Inwood: Have no problem with it. I have had friends and acquaintances who escorted.

    Prostitution is sex for money.

    Depends on the gift. Definition of gift: "Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation." So with that definition of gift I would say no you are not a prostitute if you get a gift. But you can give a gift to a prostitute and it won't make them more or less a prostitute.

    Victimless crime. In most states it's a crime. It is not pursued in some areas and is in fact advertised openly in some areas. The authorities seem to only pursue it when it gets on the streets and scares the horses. If you do it because you want to and know what you are doing fine. But if you are forced into it then it isn't victimless.

    Yes, I believe it should be legalized between consenting adults. Hey it's your money.

    There, short and sweet.
     
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    I was a prostitute for several years. I enjoyed it immensely and I know that I was doing a wonderful thing. It's a sad commentary on our society that prostitution is still (mostly) illegal in the U.S.
     
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    Thumper_10x7_CA: Prostitution is any sexual act done for money. By that I mean any person who specifically has sex, gives/receives a blow job, hand job or any other kind of sexual act in return for cash or any other wordly gift would be considered a prostitute. They could be called escorts, or companions, or call girls, or other names along those lines, but if you cut to it, they are prostitutes.
    I'm not saying it's good or bad. I've done it a few times, accepted money for sex. As long as the person understands what they are doing and the risks involved.

    Is it a victimless crime? No, I personally don't consider it that. Yes it is illegal in most states, but as long as it's between two consenting adults then I don't think it should be. People do many things for money, why should sex be excluded? Besides if prostitution was made legal then the gov't could regulate it. It would be safer for all involved.
     
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    niner: Should it be legalised? I'd say no. Granted, I understand the arguments presented, but we're forgetting a very important point -- you can't say "it's legal, so long as you don't do it often" or "they can have a license as long as they prove they're disease free"...

    The very nature of the profession puts the prostitute at risk. Who knows what they're going to catch that evening -- and I understand you're saying wear condoms and such, but nothing is a sure thing. Besides, you put it on improperly or if it isn't a complete fit all the way up the shaft, you're done for again. Or if some reason she bleeds (if it's REALLY kinky, or if she scratches her or you), you're caught there, too.

    Sometimes laws are made for our protection. Yes, I'm sure there's prostitutes out there that are completely safe and such, but laws are made for the whole, not for just the safe ones, and often you can't tell if someone's diseased by looking at them.

    I've never even considered seeing a prostitute, let alone been with one -- and I never will.
     
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    [quote author=geo8x6 link=board=99;num=1073604223;start=0#0 date=01/08/04 at 15:14:42]I am about to open a can of worms. How do you feel about prostitutuion? What is prostitution to you? If you accept gifts are you a prostitute? Is prostitution a victimless crime like they say? Should prostitution be legal like in Nevada? Wow, a lot to think about. [/quote]

    1. I have respect for prostitution since it is the most historically dated profession in human society, though by no means has it received significant positive recognition. The Greeks respected prostitution and there was not as nearly (if any at all) social stigmatization for men who chose to visit brothels. Courtesans were often treated out to dinner parties and to provide more than sexual entertainment -- some sang, read poetry, were considered high-class women. Heitaira were the most respected of all; they fetched one hundred times more fare than the average prostitute and were revered for their companionship. I find it a little discouraging that Puritanistic and Victorian sensibilities on the flesh kick-started a backlash against perhaps the one industry in which women prevailed and entertained more status than their male counterparts.

    2. I agree with the already existing definitions provided for prostitution -- an exchange of sex for money or other gifts between two consenting, usually heterosexual (but sometimes not), adults. I also see it as a viable means of income for many single women out there.

    3. Ha, well, I accept gifts on all sorts of occasions -- my birthday, Christmas, for the hell of it. Of course, you have to consider the context of the exchange, too. Let's just say I'm dating a girl who I am particularly fond of, the sex is great, and because I enjoy her so much, I lavish her with attention and the occasional gift. So, how does she feel about this? If she likes me for the companionship and has mutual affect, then no. And even if she's fucking me because, if she does a good job I'll get all lovestruck and buy her something, that's not really prostitution either... not in the eyes of the law anyway. I think one crosses the line into prostitution when we consider the terms with which two people meet, have sex, and provide compensation. If she's my girlfriend, perhaps not; if she's someone I'm meeting because I'm not getting any from my girlfriend, perhaps so.

    3. No, prositution is not a victimless crime, particularly nowadays when I read accounts of what life is like on the street. Men seek out prositutes for sexual satisfaction; unlike the girls they date, there's no real need to treat the lady with respect, courtesy, or even to listen to her demands and expectations of the... fling. If a prostitute works in a parlor, rules are more likely to be enforced to protect the safety of the girl and her client. But if you're out there on the streets at night, there's nothing to protect you. Even worse, police have been known to mistreat, abuse, and assert authority over prostitutes. Cops may force themselves on the girls and threaten to haul them in if they don't comply, and in some cases, cops offer themselves as "protection" from other officers provided they get sexual favors from it. Imagine what that does to a woman after a while...

    4. Hmmm, should it be legal? Good question. I'm all for it, but legality would definitely require some reform to the job. For instance, prositution should be legalized if and only if prostitutes practice their business within certain districts in the city -- preferably in parlors, massage houses, saunas, and other locations in which it can be contained. Since all businesses are required to post an Occupational Safety and Hazard notice (OSHA), prostitution, if treated as a business, would require similar standards -- mandatory drug and disease screenings (INCLUDING the johns!), safe sex, protection and contraception readily available, maintaining consensual agreement between client and the woman ("no means no!"), and perhaps an applicable wage (like a waiter at a restaurant -- x dollars per hour + tips). At the same time, since prostitution is an established and recognized business wherever it is located, parlor owners have full right under the law to report harrassment from unwelcome patrons, including police offers.

    I'm still stuck wondering why we can't say "they can have a license as long as they prove they're disease-free." It seems almost antithetical to deny a profession's recognition when it seems agreeable to enforce such rules. Rather, it's one thing to say that it should not be legalized because it may cause a lot of social backlash and people and politicians don't know how to handle that. At the same time, the current state of affairs in prostitution is significantly risky and dangerous for all involved -- and perhaps if we made these reforms, then it might all work for the better.
     
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    longtimelurker: Every profession has a degree of risk - as a chemist I stand a significantly higher risk of developing cancer in comparison to the average man owing to my regular contact with toxic chemicals, the factory worker may get entangled in the factory machinery, the electrician could get electrocuted. The whole problem is to make it as safe as is reasonably possible.

    The only problem is that the only way to do that is by regulation, which requires legalisation. The status-quo as it stands just breeds an undercurrent of pimps, violence and general crime. Prostitution will never be eliminated by demonising it, so it may as well be accepted as inevitable.

    Legalisation has been proven to help matters - take the red light district of Amsterdam for instance where it is 'tolerated', if not explicitly legal. There was another experiment in Scotland (Glasgow, I think), and after the introduction of a legitimised zone where brothels were accepted crime associated with prostitution fell dramatically. Unfortunately the experiment was abandoned due to the locals complaining about the affect on house prices etc. - I don't think this is a problem of the concept, however - just that it needs to be introduced to a wide area rather than allowing it in only one small district.

    Of course these arguments could also be spread to other contentious issues - illegal drugs, for instance, but I'm not certain myself on where I stand on that one.
     
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    There's a huge difference between prostitutes on the street and "escorts" who arrange to meet with clients over the phone or the internet. Prostitutes who work independently are better-educated about sexually transmitted infections than the average guy on the street.

    I think it would be great if there was a "prostitution license" that could be obtained from the government. The license would only be granted or renewed if the prostitute completed a class on sexually transmitted infections. It could be taken a step further by requiring the prostitute to be free of diseases and infections before the license is granted. The prostitute could then post the license above his or her bed. ;D
     
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    Thumper_10x7_CA: Or they could have the license tattooed to their ass! :D

    Seriously, there is a risk to the prostitute, for sure. But there is also a risk to the "John" who hires the prostitute. At least the prostitute has the right to refuse service from the get go. But then again so does the "John."
    Hmmm, well I guess my point is.... ummm... oh nevermind, I don't really have a point. LOL
     
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    I am glad this post has gotten such a wide range of responses. Sometimes we need to think about things other than the penis. Prostitution in America is very messed up. In other countries it is an acceptable trade. Part of the problem is the society we live in and the puritanical groups that try to control our lives. My personal opinion is that it should be legal, but regulated.
     
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    Well, Dee, there's also a double standard. I mean, consider how the media treats the words 'pimp' and 'whore'. Pimping almost seems like a Good Thing, but without whores there can be no pimps, and pimps beat the whores if they don't make enough money.
     
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