Just a little thought I had. I've just noticed that there are a lot of posts on this forum about straight guys being interested in others' penises, straight guys admitting that they are fascinated by the penis of others, and questions about proper locker room behavior. I started this thread to ask women if they have similar issues. So far, only one woman has responded. But she said what I had suspected for some time: that women are able to compliment one another, admit to seeing beauty in one another, without it having any bearing on their perception of themselves as heterosexuals: http://www.lpsg.org/73237-do-women-have-hang-ups.html I think that another thing that makes this all complicated for men is that the penis is likely more central to the male identity than the breasts or vagina are to the feminine identity. I mean, we males are OBSESSED with our penises. We just are. I don't think women are nearly as obsessed with their own privates as we are with our own. I think that the obsession a man has for his own penis can't help but lead to a type of interest in other men's penises. Not that the interest has to lead to sexual contact. As for me, I want no sexual contact with another man. If I wanted it, I could have it easily. BUT ... it's an unusual thing. Very strange, but I feel as though when I see another penis, I see myself -- almost like it's a mirror where I see myself. And so it is fascinating for me that other men have a penis. It's like they have part of me attached to them. I suppose Jung would describe this as "transpersonal." Perhaps another word would be "empathy." There's actually a lot of suffering regarding the penis. (e.g., Am I big enough? Do I play with it too much? Am I wrong for being circumcised? Am I wrong for not being circumcised?, etc.) And it's interesting, even moving, for me to know that others have suffered as I have. Also, because this is such a taboo topic (men often suffer in silence because we're not suppose to talk about our pain, because it's not "manly"), it's moving to know that others suffer in silence as well. Anyway, in closing, I remember reading that the Romans used to use the word "fascinum" to refer to their penis, and this is the root of the word "fascinate." So, men have been fascinated with the penis for millennia. Come to think of it, phallus symbols are millennia old as well. Maybe this fascination that straight men on this forum are talking about is just the sort of fascination that drove men in millennia past to build phallus symbols. But those men were working in an era when being fascinated with the penis didn't bear on the perception of your sexuality. (They were also working in an era when these rigid sexual categories didn't even exist.) Thanks for listening.