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Vince, if you talk about ancestors fighting in the Battle of Britain you can safely assume people will think you are British. I know a lot of England's colonial subjects fought with the allies but to assume that a pilot fighting in the Battle of Britain is automatically from India (or wherever) probably 99 times out of 100 won't happen.

So, it's not supposition, it's just a normal reaction to you bragging about your grandfather and his brother. You can act like I did something wrong but ANYONE would have made the same assumption.

There is a concerted effort to revise history in the West when it comes to WWII. I was taught almost nothing of Russia's involvement in public schools in the US.

Russia begged for the Allies to open up a European front and they fucking refused. Churchill's quote of "If Germany is winning, help the Russians and if the Russians are winning... help the Germans"

If England and the US was willing to risk a million soldiers a piece, they could have successfully opened up a Western front, ended the war a lot earlier and save the lives of tens of millions of Russians. By sacrificing Western lives, five times the amount of Russians could have been saved.

But nope, if the Russians were pretty scared of the Nazis, the British and Americans were scared stiff... they did basically nothing.

And then after the war, the Allies kissed the asses of the EVIL Germans and Japanese and made a mortal decades long enemy out of the country that did what they couldn't do.

To any normal human being it would seem that the Allies were actually quite fond of the Nazis and Imperial Japanese. If Japan wouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor... would the US have ever even entered the war? I don't think they would have.

I see the fascist hearts that reside in the bodies of the average American. They are a few steps away from going full Nazi. Hell they are arming Nazis in Ukraine without a second thought.

You can spend time in the US without seeing the real America... American society is two faced. What you see with your eyes is not what is really there.

I LOVE my country and it KILLS me to know how it plays fast with fascism, corporate power and global hegemony. The wealthy elite billionaires have purchased our government and the majority of Americans DONT GIVE A FUCK THAT WE DON'T HAVE A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY BECAUSE THEY ARE EITHER HOPING THAT SOCIETY WILL DEVOLVE INTO REVOLUTION WHERE A NEW 4th REICH CAN EMERGE OR THEY ARE TOO STUPID/APATHETIC TO REALIZE THAT OUR DEMOCRACY IS NOW A PLUTOCRACY.

Criticism of the United States is warranted because that's what a healthy democracy does. Whitewashing history and buying the lies that a corporate media machine are selling are poison to a democratic society.

The US has been fucking up for a long time and they are fucking up BIG TIME right now with their Frankenstein monster ISIS roaming the Levant in search for innocent Shiites to slaughter. The US is behind AL Qaeda too... Wahhabbi terrorism is a Saudi Arabia/US venture and has always been so.

The US hates Russia soooo fucking much that they would create ISIS so it could destroy Russia's middle Eastern allies. The Saudis are out for blood because they are EVIL... Turkey is an EVIL country too and these are the US's great allies.

The Russians were always a very poor country even though it has vast resources. The collective West has always tried to weaken it/destroy it out of hatred. Between the Tzars, Stalin and the Cold War, Russians have had an incredibly hard time... I see the West as doing nothing but make the lives of average Russians even more difficult for the last century. If you don't see all of this, I don't know what to tell you.

People comparing the Soviets to the Nazis are just wrong... it's this false equivalence that has led to fascism being on the rise again. By comparing Soviets to Nazis, one gives cover to the Nazis and glosses over it's atrocities... in fact, they just become forgotten over time. It's historical revisionism and that fuels the return of history which is why the US is the new 4th Reich.
 

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Well, there were a lot of other people fighting the fascists besides the UK America and Russia. Canada was in it from day one. It didn't make any deals with the Nazis to avoid fighting them for two years and didn't wait for an attack on it's soil for two years either. Just stepped up. And at the time Canada and the Aussies and the Kiwis weren't "subjects" as you so put it. Canada had been an independent nation for 80 odd years by September 1939. But our southern neighbors know diddley about us or our history. Even the well informed ones. Everything is America, America. But that's how we prefer it actually. The less you know, the better.

None of what you write about the USSR's role in the war is news to me or other reasonably well informed people. You're right about the fact that most of your countrymen don't know and don't care to know much about their own history and even less about anyone else's. Just don't assume that everyone you encounter is in that category. Most regulars posting in this forum know a thing or two.

I don't agree that criticizing the genocides committed by the Soviets gloss over or gives cover the those done by the Nazi regime. In fact, from what I have observed the Holocaust and other nazi atrocities are much better known and remembered than those of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Togo, or whatever maniac you what to name. Every couple years there is some kind of commemoration for Nazi victims. Who remembers the Chechens?

Yeah the russian people have suffered. So have lots of other peoples around the world. And russian people have had a hand in their share of pogroms, genocides, and conquering. Who was worse? Hitler or Stalin? Andrew Jackson maybe? I don't fucking know or care. It's a stupid topic. Same goes for the victims. Dead is dead, deported is deported and raped is raped. Doesn't matter if the dick was American, Russian, British, or German.

I've been to Russia twice and met some great people and had some really good times. But their problems are self-inflicted as far as I'm concerned. They'll tell you that themselves and they weren't blame anyone other than their own evil leaders. Given the systems and leadership they have had to endure, it's amazing they are still standing. Corruption is just rampant, people throw their trash wherever they feel like, outside of Moscow, the place is mostly a dump. The infrastructure is shoddy because of corruption. They build a road and within three years it's shot. (Just like it used to be in Turkey). Everyone bitches about that non-stop. We drove the main road from Moscow to St Pete and it was a wreck. People around are generally just rude to another, grumpy and really fucking competitive. One of the least pleasant places I've been to.

Anyhow, you can have your opinions.

And yes Perados, Germany is the USA's bitch. Like the rest of us! You have a lot of company.