The Pledge of Allegience

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  1. oralslut464

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    It frustrates me as an American - a citizen of the United States, why so may people don't want to say the Pledge. I personally Love to say the Pledge and have a flag flying outside my home. If people who live in this country don't want to do things that support our country like say our pledge or fly our country's flag - then they should go to another country! Period!!! If they went to another country - wouldl they fly their flag? The USA is still the greatest country in the world and I am proud to be an American!! Plan and Simple.
     
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    Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. Obviously, you have the right to say the Pledge- just as I have a right not to- or perhaps sing a jaunty tune from Singin' In the Rain during some proceeding where the Pledge is being recited.

    1st Amendment-

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
     
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    I would say it if it was edited:
    And to the Republic for which it stands,
    one nation, under God....

    should read:

    And to the Republic for which it stands,
    one nation, under Canada....

    I don't believe in God.
     
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    As I read in an alternative weekly after 9/11: "Patriotism makes you stupid". (this is not intended as a personal attack, oral)

    I think it's more important to stand as an objective inside observer of our country and critique it with TRUE justice in mind.

    P.S. Those flag lapel pins really get on my nerves.

    And while I'm ranting, so do Republican name designations like "Ronald Reagan National Airport", which was originally simply known as "National Airport. "Government Accountability Office" for "General Accounting Office" (GAO) is some more tripe.

    And, you know, it bugged me when members of Congress stood on the Capitol steps and sang "God Bless America" after the 9/11 attacks. My own liberal Senator, Barbara Boxer, even joined in. Utter silliness.

    Okay, I'm done. I feel much better.
     
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    I'm not originally from the US. I was born in Australia, but have lived here for most of my life. I chose not to say the Pledge, nor do I place my hand over my heart when the national anthem is played, nor do I bow my head or close my eyes when a prayer is said in public. These things are all MY choice and as a citizen, I have the right to do or not do any of these things. Until BOTH Liberty AND Justice exist for ALL who live here, I will not lie to myself or to others for the sake of adding my voice.
    I know that a lot of people disagree with my views, and I am completely okay with that. However, I do not appreciate when someone disrespects me for those views. I am very grateful for those who gave their time, blood, sweat, tears, and the ultimate price of their life for the freedoms that we currently have, and those we wish to have in the future. But, again I say in MY opinion, I do not feel that I should be forced to say ANYTHING that I do not believe. If I were to swear in at a court hearing for example, I would refuse to place my hand on the Bible, because I am not a Christian. I don't see a difference.
    To the OP, I am very happy that you are proud to be an American. I am proud to be ME, first and foremost, and I am proud to have the ability to chose what I say or fly in my yard. (I'll stop now, because I feel as though I am rambling. lol)
     
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    Will someone please explain to me how American soldiers are defending "our" freedoms in Iraq? In my view, everytime the president or some other official makes such a reference it is a LIE. (I do not at all write this to denigrate those serving)

     
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    People always complain about leaving "under god" out. Well it shouldn't be there in the first place, how about we recite it as originally written.

    The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an oath of loyalty to the national flag and the Republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Francis Bellamy in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the national pledge in 1942. The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.

    The version used from 1892-1923 read:

    "I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands: one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."


    Just my 2c.
     
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    I made zero mention of Iraq.
     
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    Hey we could even use the version of the pledge from 1924-1954 before the "under god" was added.

    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all."
     
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    It wasn't directed to you at all, Tray, but your statement about the sacrifices made (which I also honor) brought something to mind that I've long thought. It's more a comment on irresponsible military adventures, in which Americans are needlessly slaughtered and disabled, than anything else.

     
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    I found this interesting. The author of the Pledge was a SOCIALIST:

    Political views

    Bellamy was a Christian Socialist[2] who "championed 'the rights of working people and the equal distribution of economic resources, which he believed was inherent in the teachings of Jesus.'"[4] but he was forced to leave his Boston church the previous year because of the socialist bent of his sermons.


    Francis Bellamy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Yes, that McCarthy-era addition of "under God" does not belong there and should be removed as unAmerican.

    The U.S. is a great nation in many ways, but mass rituals of patriotic zeal leave me cold. After all, this nation was established via genocide and was built on the backs of slaves.
     
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    I, like many have friends in the military. However, they aren't defending our freedom overseas whatsoever. Most people are just afraid to say it, or have been tricked into believing the wars are honorable affairs.
     
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    It's very unpleasant to think about, but it's incontrovertible history.

     
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    Not that I practice Judeo-Christian religious practices, but isn't there something in the second commandment about this:

    You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them;

    FWIW, I deleted that portion about a jealous God who punishes subsequent generations for the sins of their parents in relation to this commandment. Even for a Bronze Age storm god it seems a little much.

    The Pledge always creeped me out, personally.
     
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    So does that mean they added explicit reference to the united states because they thought people were saying it meaning somewhere else?

    So wouldnt a rule requiring you to worship the god of the american flag be a state imposed religion and thus unconstitutional?
     
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    Tru dat!
     
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    I like this country because it's a good country. It's a good country because it does a good job of forwarding certain ideals I support, and has a high quality of life. It's also the country where I live. I feel the same way about my apartment building. And yet I'm not going to pledge unconditional allegiance to my landlord. People haven't died to protect my apartment building, sure, but that doesn't have anything to do with pledging allegiance. If this country started doing stuff I hated, I'd fight against that, but ultimately my allegiance is to what I think is right, not a name or a pattern of colors. Plain and simple.
     
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    This country was a good country, no longer though. It's by the corporations and for the corporations now, with politicians in their pockets.

    We're losing freedoms steadily, and people are becoming dumber and more apathetic by the day.
     
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