That may also belong under the heading of "the criminalization of poverty."
Here are 5 ways it’s become a crime to be poor in America — punishable by further impoverishment
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That may also belong under the heading of "the criminalization of poverty."
Here are 5 ways it’s become a crime to be poor in America — punishable by further impoverishment
Here's a fellow being asked for his license by a state trooper. He does what he's told and reaches for his license. He's shot when he gets his license.
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The guy is lucky he only got shot in the hip, for doing as the officer asked. Other than the knee-jerk reaction shooting, the most cringe-worthy thing about this video is how often and sincerely the guy apologizes to the cop who just shot him, no doubt fearing for his life at that point.
How many of you have forgotten to put on your seat-belt? Do you think a cop has a right to shoot you for doing so?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trial-verdict-extended-ex-south-carolina-cop
At least this civil rights offender was fired and will go to trial. Not much news about it, though.
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He's shot when he gets his license AND shot (or at least shot at) again when he has his hands in the air. At least that is how events appeared to me on one viewing. I am not going to watch the video again.
"He kept coming towards me," said officer Groubert after the event, before the video was released. That is, no doubt, what would have passed for truth if not for the video.
I have found news reports from 2014 saying that Groubert was fired and charged with assault and battery, but I have not been able to find any reports saying that he has been brought to trial. Even this article from April 15 of this year says only that he was charged.
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Here's one of a US MARSHAL DEPUTY goin' complete ROID RAGE, and smashin' some woman's phone camera just because she was filming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-J-6SkuKJ0
And this FAT FUCK seemed like he took pleasure in it right after he charged her and did the damage, I can't make it out, but I'd almost SWEAR his buddies were cheering him on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-J-6SkuKJ0
And this FAT FUCK seemed like he took pleasure in it right after he charged her and did the damage, I can't make it out, but I'd almost SWEAR his buddies were cheering him on.
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To quote the article that I linked to above, which was from Oct. 28th, 2014: "... a solicitor requested that 270 days — the longest time possible — be allotted to reach a conclusion in the case of State Trooper Sean Groubert, The State reported."
That buys him 9 months of time, so, I would guess a trial should be set for July?... But, yeah, not much news about it. The lawyers, cops, and possibly the South Carolina media probably are hoping it's forgotten about.
http://www.thestate.com/news/local/crime/article13903880.html
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Last week, four Swedish police officers were vacationing in NYC when a fight broke out on a subway. The train operator asked if any police officers aboard could help. The Swedish officers diffused the situation in a soothing, non-aggressive manner.
Here's the video: Did These Swedish Cops School The NYPD?
Swedish police carry pistols and are authorized to use lethal force. These officers must take a three year program in policing, and pass an annual shooting test. The three-year training includes self-defense and sensitivity training -- which is apparent in the video above.
Dialog from the video:
0:13 Swedish Officer: "How do you feel?"
0:14 Suspect 1: "I feel fine."
0:24 Swedish Officer: "Are you injured?"
0:24 Suspect 2: "No."
Here's the video: Did These Swedish Cops School The NYPD?
Swedish police carry pistols and are authorized to use lethal force. These officers must take a three year program in policing, and pass an annual shooting test. The three-year training includes self-defense and sensitivity training -- which is apparent in the video above.
Dialog from the video:
0:13 Swedish Officer: "How do you feel?"
0:14 Suspect 1: "I feel fine."
0:24 Swedish Officer: "Are you injured?"
0:24 Suspect 2: "No."
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So, you have third world violent crime and the chicken and egg of third world policing to go with it. It is no doubt interesting to see what happens when you put the egg before the chicken.
One thing is for certain: the costs are adding up. Police departments set aside a large part of their budgets to handle lawsuits from employee misconduct. Rather than paying for sensitivity training and maintaining fitness and marksmanship standards, they're buying MRAPs, choppers and double-stacked MP5s. As we saw in the subway video, proper training goes a long way, with those officers subduing and detaining the men without using equipment.
Fuzzy has a friend who, as a Met constable, had to subdue a guy in his home. It took him half an hour to get the cuffs on him (his radio was kicked across the room). Despite these difficulties, he's glad that he didn't have a gun.
Back in the US, recruits learn how to use OC spray, tasers, firearms, ASPs, MDTs, but they rarely learn CIT or ABT (crisis and sensitivity training). Their service belts are loaded to the hilt because being equipped is considered better than being trained. Giving a rape victim a card with a phone number on it is "victims services."
I viewed a post regarding this on Facebook; it's appalling to know that a lot of the misconduct by police forces in the U.S. could be avoided if they were properly trained.
My post from the Ferguson Thread regarding Baltimore specifically and the rest of the country as a whole. The information in the article is probably only the tip of the iceberg that the 'ship' saw but refused to deviate from the course.
There are roughly 10,000 peaceful protesters in Baltimore and a few hundred rioters; who gets the news coverage...the 200 or so rioting. Why are there protests (both peaceful and destructive), the residents of the city of Baltimore are fed up with occurrences like this. Freddie Gray is not the reason, merely the match that lit the piles of paperwork shoved under the carpet by the city.
Speaking with a friend (born and raised in Baltimore), they know of the issues with BPD. Some of those issues have been detailed here in this Article and are egregious and disheartening to say the least. The citizens of this country are who have been unfairly targeted are fed up, because the BPD (and the like organizations) believe they can get away with it and unfortunately they historically have gotten away with it. This will only get better when those that are hired to 'protect and serve' actually start to 'protect and serve' with justice instead of injustice.
Here is a snippet from the article linked above:
"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.
Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement."
There are roughly 10,000 peaceful protesters in Baltimore and a few hundred rioters; who gets the news coverage...the 200 or so rioting. Why are there protests (both peaceful and destructive), the residents of the city of Baltimore are fed up with occurrences like this. Freddie Gray is not the reason, merely the match that lit the piles of paperwork shoved under the carpet by the city.
Speaking with a friend (born and raised in Baltimore), they know of the issues with BPD. Some of those issues have been detailed here in this Article and are egregious and disheartening to say the least. The citizens of this country are who have been unfairly targeted are fed up, because the BPD (and the like organizations) believe they can get away with it and unfortunately they historically have gotten away with it. This will only get better when those that are hired to 'protect and serve' actually start to 'protect and serve' with justice instead of injustice.
Here is a snippet from the article linked above:
"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.
Those cases detail a frightful human toll. Officers have battered dozens of residents who suffered broken bones — jaws, noses, arms, legs, ankles — head trauma, organ failure, and even death, coming during questionable arrests. Some residents were beaten while handcuffed; others were thrown to the pavement."
Drifterwood
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Well, I got a lot of hate in this thread Fuzzy for pointing out the proclivity for violence and boys with toys rather than policing people with all their issues. When you consider that nearly 100,000 people are killed or injured by guns in the US during criminal activity every year, it is actually quite remarkable that the police kill so few. You could argue that if they were doing a better job they would be killing more criminals before they were killing or injuring innocent people.
Not that I don't agree with Cal for starting this thread. Some of the policing that is coming to light is totally disgraceful. I, as a foreigner, just see it in the wider context without political or racial affiliation..
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temptotalk
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It wasn't hate. It was a reintroduction of information you either forgot or ignored. It was based on how you posted and what your overall stance was. She was correct in her assessment. These sort of discussions usually turn into hatred for and of america as a whole even when america wasn't just an isolated incident with regards to violence.
Your statements attempted to brand all americans in one particular light which i might add is the same sort of thing many cops do to individuals. So of course theres affiliation going on, if not you wouldn't be as shocked. By and large it is an american way of life but once again, you did not present it that way.
Oh and we aren't talking about criminals with guns. That another topic altogether. Your surprise would be warranted if, like i said, the topic was such. The topic though is police misconduct.
Theres a difference between someone reaching for a gun and someone running from a police force known by and large for conducting themselves as modern day Judge Dredds.
I do agree though, it is a policy issue. A policy issue that stems from other issues. Such as education, wages, stereotypes and etc. It's why when addressing problems such as these they enviably lead to the same issues. Issues that were never fully dealt with.
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SJPD bias record questioned..
.."over the past five years, the depts. IA evaluated 192 complaints of racial bias, and NONE were deemed credible...LAPD evaluated 203 and came to the same conclusion"..
Phrases that crop up again and again, "implicit bias", "cops are human, products of their society", "investigating bias-based policing is difficult"
Well yes, especially when bias complaints are treated the same way as "objectively verifiable" complaints are treated; i.e. asking the officers if they believe they were intentionally biased or not..
So in this morning's paper, we learn ,"San Jose: Police auditor wants more sunshine on internal misconduct probes"
San Jose: Police auditor wants more sunshine on internal misconduct probes - San Jose Mercury News
Even tho, no public complaints of misconduct are deemed credible, officers complaining about other officers are another story
Drifterwood
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Not so.
It is a common error to read criticism of something that happens in the US as hatred of Americans. That is simply not the case, it is a non sequitur, and yes, eventually someone plays this card and gets verbally aggressive and so on.
I simply agree with the assessment from Psychology today as posted.
O BAMA just said what it did the other night. There are bad in every group. Police firemn, senators and presidents
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