The police misconduct thread

[TexanStar]

I'm talking about Sandy Hook, The Boston Bombings, The Orlando shootings...staged events that feature recurring players. Family members of the victims who hold SAG cards, grieving friends who cry on camera with no tears. If you say it out loud you get called a conspiracy theorist and a lunatic. It's very disheartening to see public outrage over events which didnt really happen. Are there real shootings? yes of course but a LOT of what is being reported on this year is fake. There is too much overwhelming evidence, like in the case of the Orlando shooting, to take it as face value. If anyone needs proof just Youtube it. There is way more information than I can explain here.
Some of the "events" dont even require research. the robotic "grieving" family members statements, the mistakes that are made like friends carrying a wounded man down a street for the cameras and then when they think theyre out of camera range they put him down and casually stand around, even laughing. Witnesses who magically find themselves in multiple "tragedies". Its really alarming how many people dont question, dont research, dont think...

 

[slurper_la]

From this morning's news: "Please, officer, don’t tell me that you just did this to him. You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir." I have not watched the video.

Aftermath of fatal Falcon Heights officer-involved shooting captured on video (Star-Tribune, 7 July 2016)

Philando Castile shooting: What we know so far (Star-Tribune, 7 July 2016)​

You think?

Minn. Gov. Dayton on shooting: I don’t think this would have happened if the passengers were white

You're correct Governor, probably not, unless a white man "has a wide nose". So the broken tail light was yet another lie by a cop to justify pulling over a black man:

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-dispatch-audio-philando-castile/

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[deleted15807]

A picture into what happens and so far it's not good.

Looking for Accountability in Police-Involved Deaths of Blacks

 

[b.c.]

A picture into what happens and so far it's not good.


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Looking for Accountability in Police-Involved Deaths of Blacks

Thanks for the reference Sargon. I may reference it again.

 

[ActionBuddy]

Interesting that the culprit in Michael Brown's death, in Ferguson, MO, in the case that exploded attention to rampant U.S. police violence against African Americans, nationally and internationally, is the only cop that resigned.

A/B

 

[deleted15807]

A really good ACLU piece on DWB(driving while black)...

DRUG TRAFFICKERS ARE NOT "MOSTLY MINORITIES"

Racial profiling is based on the premise that most drug offenses are committed by minorities. The premise is factually untrue, but it has nonetheless become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Because police look for drugs primarily among African Americans and Latinos, they find a disproportionate number of them with contraband. Therefore, more minorities are arrested, prosecuted, convicted, and jailed, thus reinforcing the perception that drug trafficking is primarily a minority activity. This perception creates the profile that results in more stops of minority drivers. At the same time, white drivers receive far less police attention, many of the drug dealers and possessors among them go unapprehended, and the perception that whites commit fewer drug offenses than minorities is perpetuated. And so the cycle continues.

DRIVING WHILE BLACK: RACIAL PROFILING ON OUR NATION'S HIGHWAYS​

 

[Daisy]

this made me lol

 

[Daisy]

Hang on..just to clarify I am not saying that every event that I mentioned was entirely falsified. I am saying that aspects of these events are sensationalized and falsified. I dont know whats real and whats fake anymore but I dont trust the media and and dont trust certain government agencies.

 

[Calboner]

Hang on..just to clarify I am not saying that every event that I mentioned was entirely falsified. I am saying that aspects of these events are sensationalized and falsified. I dont know whats real and whats fake anymore but I dont trust the media and and dont trust certain government agencies.

Bullshit, you fucking liar.

I'm talking about Sandy Hook, The Boston Bombings, The Orlando shootings...staged events that feature recurring players.

 

[tanstaafl16]

Unfortunately, the issue in Baton Rouge is due to the fact that these officers who kill rarely go to jail or lose anything. Remember theyighg lose their job but probably not the pension.

In NYC where I am there was a cop who was chasing a kid as he suspected him of something. The kid runs into his house and the cop follows, enters the house (no warrant) and kills Ramaly Graham in his own bathroom. He was put on desk duty but I am not sure if he was indicted. He should have gone to jail and his behavior was atrocious. There was another case in NC where a guy was hurt in a serious accident and was disoriented and knocked on a woman's door and the woman thought he was trying to rob her house and she led the police. The police show up and automatically assume he is a threat and shoot and kill. I don't think that cop will go to jail or if he was even indicted.

Unfortunately I think people assume now that no cops will have to take responsibility and I can see why they feel that way. I don't condone killing anyone and my heart goes out to the victims in Baton Rouge. Something needs to change in this country and unfortunately I think the police need to change their attitudes and inherent biases. It's wrong not to send those guys to jail in the cases I mentioned above and I think people are starting to assume the courts don't work anymore. Violence is not the answer, convicting the cops in a court of law is as it is becoming an all too familiar script, they can just say they feared for their life and they will get off even if there is no gun. Also the cops have to start using preexisting criminal records as excuses after the fact, it's sleazy.

Sorry for the rant and my heart goes out to Baton Rouge.

 

[deleted15807]

Unfortunately, the issue in Baton Rouge is due to the fact that these officers who kill rarely go to jail or lose anything.

That's the root cause of the rage is that we know they almost always walk away while their victims end up in the ground. And "America" as a whole doesn't care because it isn't happening to "us" yet. When it does only then will you see action. When crack was huge in minority neighborhoods the fix was police crackdowns and mandatory sentences now we have meth addiction sweeping the non-minority neighborhoods and the fix is for drug treatment and not crackdowns and incarnations.

Of course the elephant in the room is the police would have no excess to shoot if this country wasn't awash in weapons. As long as it is expect the needle for gun related deaths to keep inching higher.

 

[tanstaafl16]

It shouldn't if the country is awash in weapons, they should wait to find out if there actually is a weapon. By saying that, you give them an excuse.

 

[b.c.]

Unfortunately, the issue in Baton Rouge is due to the fact that these officers who kill rarely go to jail or lose anything. Remember theyighg lose their job but probably not the pension.

In NYC where I am there was a cop who was chasing a kid as he suspected him of something. The kid runs into his house and the cop follows, enters the house (no warrant) and kills Ramaly Graham in his own bathroom. He was put on desk duty but I am not sure if he was indicted. He should have gone to jail and his behavior was atrocious. There was another case in NC where a guy was hurt in a serious accident and was disoriented and knocked on a woman's door and the woman thought he was trying to rob her house and she led the police. The police show up and automatically assume he is a threat and shoot and kill. I don't think that cop will go to jail or if he was even indicted.

Unfortunately I think people assume now that no cops will have to take responsibility and I can see why they feel that way. I don't condone killing anyone and my heart goes out to the victims in Baton Rouge. Something needs to change in this country and unfortunately I think the police need to change their attitudes and inherent biases. It's wrong not to send those guys to jail in the cases I mentioned above and I think people are starting to assume the courts don't work anymore. Violence is not the answer, convicting the cops in a court of law is as it is becoming an all too familiar script, they can just say they feared for their life and they will get off even if there is no gun. Also the cops have to start using preexisting criminal records as excuses after the fact, it's sleazy.

Sorry for the rant and my heart goes out to Baton Rouge.

A thoughtful post.

As I've said long ago (in the Ferguson thread I think) the LAST thing any reasonable advocate for change and civil rights should want is to give detractors opportunity to make those seeking change out to be the villains.

Surely Dr. King and those involved in the Civil Rights Movements of the 50's, 60's, and 70's would not have achieved what THEY have, had they allowed pictures of marchers being blasted by water cannon to be replaced by those of assaults against law enforcement.

Being an advocate for an end to unnecessary killings BY cops by NO means equates to being an advocate FOR killing cops.

And, imo, those who engage in such acts do so from the perspective of a personal, vengeful, irrationally self centered and short-sighted failure to see the BIG picture - and how such acts only serve to change the focus of the dialogue, and provide the detractors and deniers of our concerns ammunition by which to CONTINUE to deny and distract...

... a failure to understand how such acts serve to BOLSTER the position of those such as Trump and the GOP, who'd USE them as fodder to further their OWN ambitions.

The killings of these officers in Baton Rouge today were nothing less than a despicably heinous act.

 

[Calboner]

And for our latest installment in gratuitous police violence, we have Miami police shooting a man lying on his back with his arms in the air---an employee of an assisted-living facility who was trying to protect an autistic resident who was holding a toy truck.

Miami shooting: Man shot by cops was lying down with hands up, lawyer says (CNN, 21 July 2016)

(CNN)Charles Kinsey said he was lying in the middle of the street with his arms raised high when police shot him in the leg.

Kinsey, who works for an assisted living facility in North Miami, had gone outside Monday to assist one of his patients who had just had a behavioral incident when police showed up, his lawyer said.

They were called to the scene after they received reports of an armed man threatening suicide, authorities said.
Kinsey said that when police arrived, he tried to explain that he was a behavioral therapist at the nearby facility and that his patient has autism and that he was holding a toy truck, not a firearm.

He then asked his patient, a 23-year-old, to be still and lie down.

"I was more worried about him than myself," Kinsey told CNN affiliate WSVN.

Cell phone video from the scene released by his lawyer, Hilton Napoleon II, shows Kinsey lying on the ground with his arms raised and another man sitting cross-legged next to him.

"As long as I've got my hands up, they're not gonna shoot me, that's what I'm thinking," Kinsey said. "Wow, was I wrong."​

Let's just go back a year in this thread to remind ourselves of the stock white conservative response to such incidents:

What is wrong with complying with a cops order? Just do as they say. What is difficult with that? Maybe ,it is I have nothing to hide.

 

[TexanStar]

And for our latest installment in gratuitous police violence, we have Miami police shooting a man lying on his back with his arms in the air---an employee of an assisted-living facility who was trying to protect an autistic resident who was holding a toy truck.

Miami shooting: Man shot by cops was lying down with hands up, lawyer says (CNN, 21 July 2016)

(CNN)Charles Kinsey said he was lying in the middle of the street with his arms raised high when police shot him in the leg.

Kinsey, who works for an assisted living facility in North Miami, had gone outside Monday to assist one of his patients who had just had a behavioral incident when police showed up, his lawyer said.

They were called to the scene after they received reports of an armed man threatening suicide, authorities said.
Kinsey said that when police arrived, he tried to explain that he was a behavioral therapist at the nearby facility and that his patient has autism and that he was holding a toy truck, not a firearm.

He then asked his patient, a 23-year-old, to be still and lie down.

"I was more worried about him than myself," Kinsey told CNN affiliate WSVN.

Cell phone video from the scene released by his lawyer, Hilton Napoleon II, shows Kinsey lying on the ground with his arms raised and another man sitting cross-legged next to him.

"As long as I've got my hands up, they're not gonna shoot me, that's what I'm thinking," Kinsey said. "Wow, was I wrong."​

Let's just go back a year in this thread to remind ourselves of the stock white conservative response to such incidents:

Ugh. I was just talking about this exact scenario and fear responses on the part of police, and then it happens a week later.

 

[Boobalaa]

I got chills when I read this story since I worked in group home facilities with young autistic adults for 7 years during the 1990's. The residents we helped were African-American/ Latino males. My staff comprised of mostly athletes from the local college, African-American, Samoan, real big dudes.. I am Caucasian.
This story brought back memories of one particular incident that happened in Newport, Oregon on a Saturday night . After a nice dinner, we were walking with the guys down the main drag in Newport on a Saturday night where all the bars are on one side of the street and the harbor with all the fishing boats are on the other side. So we walked up the bar side of the street and then crossed and walked down the harbor side on the way back to the van.
People were friendly and jovial, greeting us as they passed by. Everything was copacetic until it was time to go back to the van. One of the residents dropped to the ground and sat against a fence, refusing to budge as he was blocking the sidewalk. From past experience and training, the staff knew to back off and give him space while keeping an eye on him, as I kept "lookout" for any unsuspecting "Good Samaritan's" who might offer to help, plus any rabble-rowers, since it was a Saturday night.
Sure enough, about 10 minutes later, I spot this "Starsky and Hutch" car cruising towards us, making a U-turn right in the middle of traffic and stopping , double,parked in traffic. As the man on the passages side got out, I see him reach into the car and as he stands , he slips something behind his back. Immediately, I alert my staff to back away and show your hands as I point to the two men approaching in a ready to strike posture. I slowly pulled my badge and ID out of my top pocket and slowly approached them, talking calmly as I would talk calmly to my residents, explaining what was going on.
I didn't know if these guys were plain clothes cops or what, I didn't see any badges. But the fear in the eyes of my staff members stays with me..The resident sitting on the sidewalk got up after they left.
The next time this happened, it was with uniformed officers, who were walking the residents trough the neighborhood. I guess some new neighbors were alarmed seeing a group of black men walking through the neighborhood. LEO "should've" known who these guys were, but apparently they didn't. I wasn't with them this time since at was in a meeting at the office. These were the days before cell phones..luckily, and understanding neighbor called the office and told us what was going down.
Two cop cars, four cops, guns drawn..Apparently, when the cops demanded the resident take his hands out of his pockets, the resident did not comply, because he didn't understand. By the time, my boss and I got there, the neighbors had filled the police in to what was happening, and the guns were away. We all went back to the house. The next week, we had a meeting with the LEO,

 

[Calboner]

Unbelievably, the story gets worse. The cop wasn't trying to shoot the unarmed black man lying on the ground with his hands in the air: he was trying to shoot the unarmed white autistic man who was sitting next to him holding a toy truck.

North Miami Officer Was Aiming At Man With Autism, Union Chief Says (NPR, 22 July 2016)

"Fearing for Mr. Kinsey's life, the officer discharged his firearm, trying to save Mr. Kinsey's life," says John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "And he missed, and accidentally struck Mr. Kinsey."

Rivera also declared that the case is different from other recent incidents of police shootings of black men, stating, "Folks, this is not what the rest of the nation is going through."

He added, "This is not a case of a rogue cop; this is not a case of police abuse."​

How fucking bad does your judgment have to be before you count as incompetent in police work?

 

[Industrialsize]

Unbelievably, the story gets worse. The cop wasn't trying to shoot the unarmed black man lying on the ground with his hands in the air: he was trying to shoot the unarmed white autistic man who was sitting next to him holding a toy truck.

North Miami Officer Was Aiming At Man With Autism, Union Chief Says (NPR, 22 July 2016)

"Fearing for Mr. Kinsey's life, the officer discharged his firearm, trying to save Mr. Kinsey's life," says John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "And he missed, and accidentally struck Mr. Kinsey."

Rivera also declared that the case is different from other recent incidents of police shootings of black men, stating, "Folks, this is not what the rest of the nation is going through."

He added, "This is not a case of a rogue cop; this is not a case of police abuse."​

How fucking bad does your judgment have to be before you count as incompetent in police work?

Just one correction. The autistic child was not white, he is a person of color.

 

[Calboner]

Just one correction. The autistic child was not white, he is a person of color.

I was going by this in the article that I cited: "He [John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association] said the officers saw Kinsey, who is black, in the middle of the street with a white male." I could not classify the person in question from his appearance in the video. And it was my understanding that he was an adult, not a child.

 

[Industrialsize]

Child was the wrong word. His therapist called him a "kid". Looks like a POC in the video.