The Politics of Race: the case of Trayvon Martin

[travis1985]

I don't want to start a ruckus but I'm dying to know how our GZ fan club prez explains this away. In one recent post he claims that the reason no stains are seen on the RED jacket GZ is seen wearing in the video is because he could have had the jacket off during the struggle. Well as we've also seen in the video GZ is wearing a gray shirt. So either the witness was lying about who was on top during the struggle or GZ wasn't wearing the red jacket which would mean the "witness" actually saw nothing.

I don't think that article is very responsible. Do I understand that "the man's testimony" is actually coming from a 13-year-old whose mom had to speak for him later?

 

[StormfrontFL]

I don't think that article is very responsible. Do I understand that "the man's testimony" is actually coming from a 13-year-old whose mom had to speak for him later?

So why do the GZ supporters want to accept the testimony of this witness? Either 1.GZ was wearing red and was on his back(if so where are the stains?) 2.GZ wasn't wearing red(discredits the witness testimony), or 3/ GZ was wearing red but was on top(again discredits the witness).
What matters here and seems to be being overlooked is that the Sanford P.D. appears to have been extremely selective about what witness testimonies to believe. They accepted the testimony of GZ and the one person who supported his viewpoint and ignored all others.

 

[monel]

Two forensic voice analysis experts who examined the 911 tapes have determined that the screams for help do not match Zimmerman's voice and concluded with reasonable certainty that it is not Zimmerman.

 

[deleted15807]

So why do the GZ supporters want to accept the testimony of this witness?

This is the $64,000 question.

 

[Hoss]

EMS tapes show George Zimmerman did not sustain fatal injuries in encounter with Trayvon Martin

Yeah, well we kind of knew that since George Zimmerman is still alive, if they were fatal injuries then he would be dead.

Paperwork detailing the EMS response to the shooting scene shows that a call for a second ambulance was canceled....

.....An audiotape containing the EMS communications, also obtained by The News on Friday, records unidentified workers discussing the scene.

Zimmerman’s condition is mentioned briefly in the 30-minute recording.

“Do we have a second patient?” a man asks.

“That’s affirmative. We have a second patient,” a woman replies. “The second patient is not a gunshot.”

Again this is not new information. We already knew that George had not been shot. The cancellation of a second ambulance simply indicated his injuries were minor or he may have refused transfer to the hospital. How do we figure there were injuries of some sort? The EMS person indicated a second patient.

 

[monel]

Regardless of the various witnesses to the incident, I think the fact that the voice screaming for help on the 911 tapes apparently is not that of Zimmerman, seals his fate. If the boy was yelling for help how does Zimmerman maintain his claim of self defense?

 

[Hoss]

Regardless of the various witnesses to the incident, I think the fact that the voice screaming for help on the 911 tapes apparently is not that of Zimmerman, seals his fate. If the boy was yelling for help how does Zimmerman maintain his claim of self defense?

And what plan does everyone have when it turns out the voice wasn't that of Mr.Martin either?

The Orlando Sentinel says it isn't George, others say it is. Some say it is Mr.Martin, others say it isn't. It's more of the same stuff that's been leaked out from the start. A newspaper saying it is A or B is not an expert. (then again in court cases time and again 2 experts show widely different opinions on things).

 

[monel]

And what plan does everyone have when it turns out the voice wasn't that of Mr.Martin either?

The Orlando Sentinel says it isn't George, others say it is. Some say it is Mr.Martin, others say it isn't. It's more of the same stuff that's been leaked out from the start. A newspaper saying it is A or B is not an expert. (then again in court cases time and again 2 experts show widely different opinions on things).

This argument is a bit of a stretch. If it isn't Zimmerman's voice, whose other than Martin's could it be?

No expert has said it was Zimmerman's.

 

[vince]

Regardless of the various witnesses to the incident, I think the fact that the voice screaming for help on the 911 tapes apparently is not that of Zimmerman, seals his fate. If the boy was yelling for help how does Zimmerman maintain his claim of self defense?

A possible (if not necessarily likely) scenario could be Martin was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ called for help just before he took out the gun and shot him.

 

[tamati]

A possible (if not necessarily likely) scenario could be Martin was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ called for help just before he took out the gun and shot him.

Then why was gz unhurt? The only injury sustained in the incident was the fatal gunshot.

 

[monel]

A possible (if not necessarily likely) scenario could be Martin was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ called for help just before he took out the gun and shot him.

True, But there are probably many unlikely and even incredible scenarios. However, for the pupose of deciding whether there is sufficient evidence to arrest, if the voice crying for help is not that of Zimmerman, it is substantially likely it is of Martin.

 

[B_24065]

Regardless of the various witnesses to the incident, I think the fact that the voice screaming for help on the 911 tapes apparently is not that of Zimmerman, seals his fate. If the boy was yelling for help how does Zimmerman maintain his claim of self defense?

A "fact" that is "apparently" isn't a fact at all.

It's amusing watching you guys play perry mason when you all haven't a fucking clue about anything, nonetheless the legal process.

The "facts" that have been made available to authorities so far indicate that GZ has not committed any crime, or else he would be under arrest. That's a fact.

Also, how about the fact that based upon the video, GZ was arrested at the scene contrary to the liberal media reports, because he was clearly handcuffed.

This is just another example of how the leftist media has created a controversy and the liberal goons have taken the bait.

 

[B_24065]

Then why was gz unhurt? The only injury sustained in the incident was the fatal gunshot.

I'm sorry, but you have SFB. I can't take it anymore. There are several liberals on this board who are capable of making good arguments. You on the other hand consistently make arguments based upon your own delusions, assumptions, prejudices, and have no reference to released facts. You do nothing but make liberal arguments look bad.

 

[redneckgymrat]

SFB? I don't know that acronym.

 

[monel]

A "fact" that is "apparently" isn't a fact at all.

Actually, in this context it is.

It's amusing watching you guys play perry mason when you all haven't a fucking clue about anything, nonetheless the legal process.

Oh you'd be surprised.

The "facts" that have been made available to authorities so far indicate that GZ has not committed any crime, or else he would be under arrest. That's a fact.

How silly. Not only is it not a fact, the only reason he is not under arrest is because the authorities failed to do their job at the outset. Had they bothered doing some investigating, he would've been. And, once the Grand Jury completes its review of the evidence I think he will be.

Also, how about the fact that based upon the video, GZ was arrested at the scene contrary to the liberal media reports, because he was clearly handcuffed.

This is untrue too. The media has thouroughly reported this.

This is just another example of how the leftist media has created a controversy and the liberal goons have taken the bait.

You really need to stop watching Fox.

 

[monel]

SFB? I don't know that acronym.

That would be "Shit for Brains". See how tolerant and civilized the conservatives are in comparison to the boorish liberals?

 

[deleted15807]

That would be "Shit for Brains". See how tolerant and civilized the conservatives are in comparison to the boorish liberals?

He's doing that to circumvent this warning:

24065,

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I guess he feels if he uses abbreviations somehow he can cruise under the radar. He's really smart.

 

[B_24065]

That would be "Shit for Brains". See how tolerant and civilized the conservatives are in comparison to the boorish liberals?

Whoa whoa whoa, those are your words, not mine.

Moderators take note.

 

[monel]

Whoa whoa whoa, those are your words, not mine.

Moderators take note.

You're too funny

 

[vince]

Whoa whoa whoa, those are your words, not mine.

Moderators take note.

Care to enlighten me?