The Politics of Race: the case of Trayvon Martin

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Ok maybe I can help with the confusion.

The "other thread" which Kayman says is a non sequitur is the one you brought up here, it's titled "Where's your green card?". That's the one he says about xenophobia not racism. This thread, the one we are in, is the one titled The Politics of Race.

Thank you.....

I think I need reading lessons or new glasses since I misread it the first 3 times when looking at Kayman's thread. Kept missing 'that thread' :redface:
 

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I can't link the site I'm reading but apparently the Florida governor has appointed a new prosecutor in this case. He's assigned a task force to look over the "Stand Your Ground" law so they can find a way to ensure something like this doesn't happen again, while still allowing Floridians to protect themselves and feel safe.

The Florida police chief also stepped aside.
 

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I can't link the site I'm reading but apparently the Florida governor has appointed a new prosecutor in this case. He's assigned a task force to look over the "Stand Your Ground" law so they can find a way to ensure something like this doesn't happen again, while still allowing Floridians to protect themselves and feel safe.

A good start might be acknowledging the difference between "stand your ground" and "hunt them down."
 

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A good start might be acknowledging the difference between "stand your ground" and "hunt them down."

Very true. This is a quote from an article I just read, "Zimmerman has been apparently shielded by Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. The law allows a person who fears for his safety to kill another without first attempting to retreat."

How does everyone feel about President Obama commenting on this and making it personal? Some people seem to have an issue with the President getting involved in 'local' matters. I'm sorry, but shooting someone for no reason isn't a 'local' matter, it's a 'human' matter. I'm glad he spoke out about it.
 

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Uh, I've read and posted more than once in that thread. It is a non sequitur to this situation.
It is actually not a non-sequitur. Zimmerman was a known "community watch" person... He was on the radio to the police dispatcher at the time.

These two facts, combined with his claim of self defense and Florida's law are the reason he has not yet been arrested.

WIthout that law, he would have been arrested.



George Zimmerman isn't white either. He is man of half Hispanic descent.

You make a good point. It seems that most people make the assumption that racism is a "between the colors" phenomenon.... but it is simply holding specific beliefs about any group of people based upon their racial type.

Even Black People CAN be racist toward other Black people. There is widespread prejudice within the Black community based strictly on how black a person's skin is... with lighter colored skin tone considered preferable, or indicative of higher ambition or education.

And it is true that Black Police officers can develop a prejudiced perspective against young black men, given the nature of their jobs... and the entrenched manner in which police departments respond to events.

It is impossible to say that Police run ins with questionable WHite suspects result in fewer shooting simply because the police approaching the subject with very slightly different attitudes than they do when approaching Black suspects.
Something as subtle as an officer's tone can steer a dicey situation toward calm, or volatility... and the fact that police run ins with Black suspects seem to consistently result in more volatile exchanges can build, even in a black officer's mind, a self fulfilling expectation of young black men being more threatening, more problematic, or mole likely up to no good.

That would, in fact, be a form of racism... so the fact that black officers are sometimes involved in unwarranted violence against black citizens is not at all indicative that racism did not play a role... it is indicative that racial prejudices can infect ANYone of any color, and the subtle cues and pre-conceptions that lead to this bias are simply not recognized.

Racism is a very subtle perceptual bias that has not so very subtle ramifications.

But there is no doubt whatsoever that the Florida Stand Your Ground law dramatically exacerbates the situation.

If not for this law, Zimmerman would more almost certainly have followed the dispatchers directions to disengage.

He thought he was entitled to confront a boy with deadly force. That is what allowed him to indulge his prejudices.
 

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Right on! You can always count on the pinko lefties to take the bait, like you all do everytime time.
Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.


Below is an article that lists some facts that the race baiting media has conveniently covered up.

Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

THE LINK TO THE PHOTO OF A MINOR HAS BEEN REMOVED AS PER LPSG RULES
 
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Right on! You can always count on the pinko lefties to take the bait, like you all do everytime time.

Below is an article that lists some facts that the race baiting media has conveneiently covered up.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com
Could it be because Mr Zimmerman was PURSUING him after being told by the 911 operator not too? Could it be that Mr Trayvon was defending himself against an out of control vigilante? Mr Zimmertman was armed with a gun. Mr. Martin was armed with a box of skittles and an iced tea.
 
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Right on! You can always count on the pinko lefties to take the bait, like you all do everytime time.
Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.


Below is an article that lists some facts that the race baiting media has conveniently covered up.

Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com


The author of that article identifies himself as Kyle Rogers, writing for the Charleston Conservative Examiner. His self-penned bio:

"Kyle is a Conservative activist in South Carolina. He co-organized the 2006 Greenville, SC rally against the Lindsey Graham/Ted Kennedy sponsored amnesty bill. More than 1,000 people attended. The event helped launch the SC Tea Party movement. He has organized numerous other conservative protests..."


And the first comment to the article:

"Olivia Cole · Columbia College

This is an absurd article. Facts are all wrong. Clearly this writer is the one pushing an agenda. I have heard the 911 tapes, and it is clearly the voice of a child crying for help. Never did Martin's father say it wasn't his son's voice. And the original 911 call Zimmerman made about Martin was the confused mumblings of a truly socially inept adult...not to mention the fact that he calls Martin a "coon" to the operator.
In addition, the witnesses have NOT said that Zimmerman was being punched. Witnesses have said that the person on top in the struggle was wearing a white t-shirt. Martin was wearing a black hoodie. And the witnesses are white...so much for your silly implications about black people lying for other black people.
One more thing. Sure, Martin was 6'2''. But he was 140lbs. Does that sound like a hulking football player to you? Sounds more like a beanpole. Regardless, Zimmerman outweighed him by 100lbs. THOSE are the facts.
This is irresponsible journalism. In fact, I wouldn't call it journalism at all."
 
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Right on! You can always count on the pinko lefties to take the bait, like you all do everytime time.
Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.


Below is an article that lists some facts that the race baiting media has conveniently covered up.

Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

I love how these rabid Fox News zombies, seeing a leftist plot behind every news story, are now attempting to portray the armed white guy as some heroic figure and the dead black boy as a dangerous thug.
 
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Right on! You can always count on the pinko lefties to take the bait, like you all do everytime time.
Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.


Below is an article that lists some facts that the race baiting media has conveniently covered up.

Dont get me wrong, this is a tragedy. A lot of things went wrong here for sure.

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com

I see. So, an unidentified grown man, with no official authority, carrying a 9mm gun, ignores PD instruction, violates the conduct of the group he fraudulently represents, approaches a teenager and chases him for "looking suspicious", confronts him, a fight ensues, perhaps they wrestle, perhaps the teenager gets some blows in with his fists, he shoots the teenager dead, the police send him home with his weapon, keep the boy's body for three days in their morgue, fail to answer his cell phone or use it to ID him, and it's the fault of the race baiting media that the shooter, the PD, and the Law being used to justify the shooting, are all being scrutinized.

Makes perfect sense to me. Good to know that Kyle Rogers, Tea Party organizer, is out on front of this to keep it real. And thank you 24065 for your unbiased commentary. All humans should be as compassionate and understanding as you and Kyle. Looking forward to Sara Palin's response, it is sure to be equally insightful.
 
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Ironic, Ain't it?
Cause, if not for Zimmerman's similar belief in Vigilante Justice, Trayvon would still be breathing.

No, what Zimmerman did was not vigilante justice.

VJ occurs after the fact. In other words, it's seeking justice for a wrong doing that has happened and gone unpunished when the legal system is not seeking justice for that same wrong doing.

In this case, if Zimmerman is not charged/sentenced for a crime... then normal citizens going after him would be the vigilante justice.
 

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I love how these rabid Fox News zombies, seeing a leftist plot behind every news story, are now attempting to portray the armed white guy as some heroic figure and the dead black boy as a dangerous thug.

The armed guy was hispanic not white. perfect example of how YOU have been brainwashed with this race baiting
 

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I see. So, an unidentified grown man, with no official authority, carrying a 9mm gun, ignores PD instruction, violates the conduct of the group he fraudulently represents, approaches a teenager and chases him for "looking suspicious", confronts him, a fight ensues, perhaps they wrestle, perhaps the teenager gets some blows in with his fists, he shoots the teenager dead, the police send him home with his weapon, keep the boy's body for three days in their morgue, fail to answer his cell phone or use it to ID him, and it's the fault of the race baiting media that the shooter, the PD, and the Law being used to justify the shooting, are all being scrutinized.

Makes perfect sense to me. Good to know that Kyle Rogers, Tea Party organizer, is out on front of this to keep it real. And thank you 24065 for your unbiased commentary. All humans should be as compassionate and understanding as you and Kyle. Looking forward to Sara Palin's response, it is sure to be equally insightful.

You are laughable. your comments do not reflect facts, just a bunch of assumptions spun off of half-truths that you've read off liberal rags.

You, like a liberals arent concerned with truth or facts, just what ever slanted information you can get your hands on to advance your agenda.

When the state releases the results of their investigation and they exhonorate Zimmerman form this liberal lynching by releasing all the facts, I wonder if you all will cry foul for how this "poor Hispanic" man was unfairly treated.
 

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No, what Zimmerman did was not vigilante justice.

VJ occurs after the fact. In other words, it's seeking justice for a wrong doing that has happened and gone unpunished when the legal system is not seeking justice for that same wrong doing.

In this case, if Zimmerman is not charged/sentenced for a crime... then normal citizens going after him would be the vigilante justice.

Yeah, and it would be about as stupid and barbaric as what Zimmerman did.

If you have all that outrage and energy, work to better the legal system, not subvert it. We've had enough of that already.
 

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The armed guy was hispanic not white. perfect example of how YOU have been brainwashed with this race baiting

His father claims that he is half white, half Hispanic. The police report lists him as "white". Try getting your news from somewhere other than Fox and maybe you'll get the complete picture.
 
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