The Politics of Race: the case of Trayvon Martin

[Fuzzy_]

1. Warm & Fuzzy thanks for crediting Domisoldo with the DoJ and FBI reports, but official numbers are official numbers. Let's credit federal law enforcement bodies for official crime statistics instead.

2. Bull Shit!

I know (we all know) that black men are almost exclusively murdered by other black men, not Latino or white neighborhood volunteers.

Still, The probability of black-on-white homicide > the probability of white-on-black homicide, even more so when you consider white as a % of the US population.

That is exactly what the official numbers say.

Did you not write the bullshit below?

[W]hite folks in the US are for more likely statistically to be killed by black folks than vice versa.

It mentions nothing of probability.

Instead, it implies -- quite deviously -- that white people are more likely to be murdered by black people. Of course, white people are far more likely to be killed by white people than black people, but why let facts get in the way of atavistic positivist agendas?

Official numbers and statistics are apparently racist to other people because they make an ethnic minority look bad. What can we do?

And yet you're not able to offer a single "number or statistic."

That's not what they're saying at all. Did you know that, in the past five years, almost all (or maybe it was all) rapes in Oslo, Norway were committed by immigrants that came from the Middle East and Africa?

Yeah, rape didn't exist in Oslo until the rapy ethnic folk came with their raping ways. If only Oslo could go back to a rape-free time when gumdrops grew on trees and beer flowed like wine.

No surprise you would agree considering your desires to protect your white race(or so you claimed in a previous post). Now who else talks about protecting the white race? What organizations do this? Hmmm?

We know that you won't get a real answer, if you get an answer at all. Reality conflicts with their narrative of white victimization. Apparently, blacks invented rape and murder. Also apparent is the 'fact' that white women are only raped by black men. Remember what Honey said: In the US, no white people raped black people in the entire year of 2007. How fortunate for white women that white males choose only to rape them.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Could you speak a little more coherently, please?

I love my people first before all other people and I want my people to live on as a unique race as we have done for hundreds of years. We're not the 'white race' either. We're Europeans, basically, not matter if you were born there or not. If you want to get into anthropological terms, we're Europids.

I'll keep it simple for you kid. People who talk about preserving the white race are generally racists.

Get your own stuff together before you go around asking others to be coherent(check out your error).

Someone asked in a thread how someone gay could turn a blind eye on discrimination. My answer to that is that a large number of gay men are very bigoted. How many times in personal ads does one see posts stating "No blacks". It's not enough to simply state that one is interested in white, Hispanic, or Asian men or whatever floats that person's boat. No, they must state it emphatically, No Blacks.

 

[docdeath]

You come on here posting that it's ALL CRAP when told that Serino said that given what Zimmerman reported he wouldn't have stopped Martin. You ask for proof and when it is presented you pretend it never happened. You seem to enjoy berating others for not using "facts" but repeatedly seem to be making up shit as you go along

Tawana Brawley?


How do you remember this happening so clearly back in the 70s when Tawana wasn't "raped" until November 1987? As for Sharpton just walking away he paid a settlement to the man accused. So another one of your "facts" is disproven.

Hmmm, it appears the only FACT I got wrong there was the decade. Excuuuuse ME! Sharpton was a ASSHOLE BACK THEN as well, WASN'T HE? He paid a settlement because of his ASSHOLE assertions, THEN, he quickly moved on.

Trayvon?


Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Three weeks prior. Seems you got the dates and participants mixed up.
“This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,” Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV. He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at
homes.Oops, it seems you were wrong again. Looking AT not IN.
George Zimmerman 911 call reporting Trayvon Martin -- OrlandoSentinel.com
Listen to Zim's call for yourself and you'll hear him say that Trayvon was "looking about" and later he says that he was "looking at houses".
At approximately 7:09 PM,[Note 4] Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community.Wait, does this say 7:09PM?
About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running" Two minutes would make it 7:11.
Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m
7:15PM. The shooting took place within the next 4 minutes not 4 hours so there goes your "fact" about walking at 11PM.

Wait for it...During the trial, (IF you watched any of it), there was an expert from Martin's cell provider testifying, as he was talking about time and date stamps, he mentioned his company office used pacific standard time on the time stamps, which made it appear to be the 2200 to 2300 time frame.Those references were what I was remembering when I typed that post. I was mistaken, I had no Idea it would be used against me in one of your tirades!
My you're extremely ANAL, aren't you?

This brings us back to you claiming that it's ALL CRAP when told the fact that Serino stated that given what Zimmerman reported, if he were in his place he wouldn't have stopped Trayvon. You just KNEW that we were wrong about that
Running updates from the Zimmerman trial - CNN.com
"If you were driving an unmarked car and saw Trayvon Martin standing there ... would you have stopped and talked to him?" asked O'Mara.
"Not just based on his presence, no I would not," said Serino. "He might live there."
"Would you stop and ask him?" asked O'Mara.
"Not just based on what you observed, no," said Serino.

As for how you know that I must hate those with different skin color than my own....wrong again. Best friend - white. Paternal grandfather, uncles, aunt, and several cousins - white. Two ex boyfriends - white

Unlike you I am man enough to admit when I am in error. I attributed some statements about Chicago to you. You never stated that you care about Chicago or any problems. You clearly don't care about anything.


I just don't care about YOU, and people like you who try to re-write history AFTER THE FACT, to fit their own RACIAL AGENDA.

Now go on and pretend that any of the points made by anyone who doesn't agree with you are baseless or simply pretend as always not to see them.

Oh, you forgot to list my concerns about the breakdown of African American families. Wait, you already know, or INSINUATED how I feel about that, strange, beause last time I checked...YOU HAVE NO IDEA!
You have this THING about putting YOUR words in other people's mouths. Why must you continuously do that? I can express my own opinion without YOUR help, or translation into YOUR-SPEAK.
I LOVE how upset you get after you nitpick the finest errors in peoples posts and INJECT them into your TIRADES of racial injustice.
You do realize, of course, that no matter WHAT you post in this forum, the verdict will remain unchanged. Your version of events will always remain...YOURS!

 

[StormfrontFL]

Oh, you forgot to list my concerns about the breakdown of African American families. Wait, you already know, or INSINUATED how I feel about that, strange, beause last time I checked...YOU HAVE NO IDEA!
You have this THING about putting YOUR words in other people's mouths. Why must you continuously do that? I can express my own opinion without YOUR help, or translation into YOUR-SPEAK.
I LOVE how upset you get after you nitpick the finest errors in peoples posts and INJECT them into your TIRADES of racial injustice.
You do realize, of course, that no matter WHAT you post in this forum, the verdict will remain unchanged. Your version of events will always remain...YOURS!

Blah blah blah.

Ignore what matters and play the victim. That seems to be your game. You neglect the part of my post where I admit I erred in attributing the comments about the families and Chicago to you. You continue to forget to mention how you were wrong about Serino's comment. You also seem to feel that only you are allowed to question others about the validity of what they post but when it's spelled out how many factual errors you've posted it just whizzes right by you. Finest errors? Wrong decade. Wrong time. Wrong about Zim's statement(even after you continuously berated Fuzzy about that statement). Be a man and admit you were wrong and there is no argument. Ignore it while harping at others and you do become petty and a joke.

Okay so because you are just so addled and unable to realize that the discussion on here has evolved beyond Trayvon and Zimmerman and is now about the imbalances and injustices of our judicial and criminal system we should just let it go and MOVE ON? Did you also express the same sentiment about Casey Anthony? How is it that if a white woman is acquitted it is a miscarriage of justice and people have a right to be angry and to question our system but in this case a white Hispanic man gets acquitted and people are just supposed to accept it and not question it? Do you see how stupid your feelings about this are?

 

[StormfrontFL]

Could you speak a little more coherently, please?

I love my people first before all other people and I want my people to live on as a unique race as we have done for hundreds of years. We're not the 'white race' either. We're Europeans, basically, not matter if you were born there or not. If you want to get into anthropological terms, we're Europids.

Just wanted to point out that when people talk about "preserving the white race" they usually are talking about doing so to the detriment of other groups. I have a problem with anyone who talks about the preserving the purity of their race because it is pure racist crap. If my grandparents felt the way you do about racial purity and preservation then a white man with Australian roots never would have married an Afro Hispanic woman from Puerto Rico.
Date whomever you want. Fuck whomever you like, but drop the nonsense about it being for racial preservation unless you don't mind being looked at as a racist.

And before the usual suspects rush in calling me a reverse racist I feel the same way when I hear blacks complain about those who date outside the race.

Just out of curiosity, what is European culture? How do you preserve something that is different in each of the many countries that make up the European continent?

 

[docdeath]

Blah blah blah.

Ignore what matters and play the victim. That seems to be your game. You neglect the part of my post where I admit I erred in attributing the comments about the families and Chicago to you. You continue to forget to mention how you were wrong about Serino's comment. You also seem to feel that only you are allowed to question others about the validity of what they post but when it's spelled out how many factual errors you've posted it just whizzes right by you. Finest errors? Wrong decade. Wrong time. Wrong about Zim's statement(even after you continuously berated Fuzzy about that statement). Be a man and admit you were wrong and there is no argument. Ignore it while harping at others and you do become petty and a joke.

Okay so because you are just so addled and unable to realize that the discussion on here has evolved beyond Trayvon and Zimmerman and is now about the imbalances and injustices of our judicial and criminal system we should just let it go and MOVE ON? Did you also express the same sentiment about Casey Anthony? How is it that if a white woman is acquitted it is a miscarriage of justice and people have a right to be angry and to question our system but in this case a white Hispanic man gets acquitted and people are just supposed to accept it and not question it? Do you see how stupid your feelings about this are?

Here you go AGAIN...Ignore what matters and play the victim. WTF???
There's nothing wrong with - "It is a miscarriage of justice and people have a right to be angry and to question our system" , but you apparently don't know when to stop beating a dead horse.
I guess you're just TOO STUPID to start another thread, rather than ramble on about anything else floating around in your head.

 

[deleted15807]

Thanks, Sargon20. There are some people who use this thread who will never understand the relationship between structure, ecology, poverty and crime -- especially relating to the macrosynchronic social disorganization paradigm (fucked-up communities).

Well Fuzzy you raise a good point but complex problems are always dumbed down. And for all the crises of ‘race baiting’ and ‘race hustlers’ the same people are quick to point to race as the problem. Not unlike how Hitler scapegoated the Jews to rally support. Leaders of all strips have used the same tact throughout time. Hate works well, knowledge and understanding less well.

Paul Krugman calls it know-nothingism — the insistence that there are simple, brute-force, instant-gratification answers to every problem, and that there’s something effeminate and weak about anyone who suggests otherwise — has become the core of Republican policy and political strategy. The party’s de facto slogan has become: “Real men don’t think things through.”

Interestingly, the Krivo study showed that poor black neighborhoods are have about the same violent crime rates as poor white neighborhoods. What it doesn't say is that there are simply far more black neighborhoods -- and thus more black-on-black crime as a whole.

That explanation is left on the floor when it’s reported in the mainstream media. I find that interesting too as it points not to race but to environment and opportunity as the culprit.

Has anyone ever seen 'projects' for white people?

Sure. It was called ‘public housing’ and as expected when they began circa 1920’s they were segregated. Middle class white neighborhoods fought hard to keep all kinds of public housing out of their neighborhoods and were largely successful. The effect was to ‘quarantine’ these ‘projects’ to low income minority neighborhoods in the inner-city. But during the go-go years of the 1950’s a lot of whites were able to move out of the projects while blacks were left behind given the limited economic opportunities of the time.

The Land That Time and Money Forgot

Young, black males become the ideological construct known as "folk devils" -- people we blame during our moral panics (especially crime waves, as with the one at Twin Lakes).

Hence Reagan’s ‘War on Drugs’ which has been nothing short of a war on black men and communities even if drug use among whites is equal or higher. But this war was never about facts anyway.

Here’s a link HM his gang of sympathizers will ignore:

Study: Whites More Likely to Abuse Drugs Than Blacks


Blacks Are Singled Out for Marijuana Arrests, Federal Data Suggests

^ So you see RDGR 'the man' is out to get them

Now we’ve created the biggest prison system on the planet to contain and control these ‘folk devils’.

I know so many white gay men whose drug use is simply rampant, I’m surprised they’re alive but trust me they will never ever run into the law. Never. I’ve been to gay circuit parties which are just drug fueled 24-hour events. I noted one time 'how could they dance all night and into the morning like that?' They looked at me incredulously and said ‘drugs’. Indeed at the Hilton host hotel one year they posted on each floor a poster that said if you are found with GHB you will be checked-out of the hotel. At these parties for safety you’re supposed to write on your arm what drug you took in case you OD and end up in the ER. Sweet huh? Do you think they'll ever be a 'drug crackdown at Gay Days in Disney?' Never.

Albert Cohen suggests that gang membership is just an emotional response that creates rebelliousness among marginalized youths and their gang gives them a sense of belonging. On the other hand, Walter Miller proposes that the lower class evolved via industrialization and immigration, creating distinct values that generated gang involvement (gang members are just socialized differently. If lower-class people conform to lower-class values, does this make them deviants, even if it means breaking the law?

This is true based on my travels. From country to country particularly in developing countries you see gangs of kids of varying races out on the street forced to support themselves whichever way they can. They operate in gangs for support and the gang is their de facto family. And why would they have the values and behaviors of the larger society? Differential opportunity indeed. There is no such thing as public education. Your parents have to pay for schooling at all levels and if you have no parents or they can’t afford it, the circle of poverty continues. It’s not that different in the US with schools and communities failing to prepare children for a world that is flat with competitors from around the globe.

Fuzzy likes this quote from the first article: "The violent crime rate in highly disadvantaged Black areas was 22 per 1,000 residents, not much different from the 20 per 1,000 rate in similar white communities." This might make one wonder: did Twin Lakes get an influx of black residents, resulting in more crime, or did the decreased property values invite more crime and an influx of poor people of all races? No matter how hard George Zimmerman may have tried to reduce crime in his neighborhood, there was nothing he could do to change the failing structure of his whiteopia -- with gates that kept the 'other' inside rather than outside. In other words, the influx of black people didn't create more crime, and increased crime was simply the result of his neighborhood already going to pot from plummeting property values.

Excellent point. Once a neighborhood begins losing residents soon follows property values. Which happens first? Crime causes people to flee? Or lack of jobs cause people to flee? Inevitable once the people flee and property values plummet you're in a death spiral with higher crime likely to follow. Take for example Greece with the economy in taters and no real hope on the horizon.. Greeks confront crime wave amid austerity. I wonder who the 'folk devil' is there? Angela Murkel or the germans perhaps?

 

[h0neymustard]

Strange how this didn't stay on the news too long:
George Zimmerman rescues family from truck crash last week, police say | Fox News

 

[Eric_8]

George Zimmerman Emerges From Hiding, Helps Rescue Family Trapped in Overturned SUV - The Hollywood Gossip

You can basically see the malice oozing from his pores, am I right?

 

[Klingsor]

Strange how this didn't stay on the news too long:
George Zimmerman rescues family from truck crash last week, police say | Fox News

Sorry, HM. Just saw it on CNN.

 

[Amaethon]

Just wanted to point out that when people talk about "preserving the white race" they usually are talking about doing so to the detriment of other groups. I have a problem with anyone who talks about the preserving the purity of their race because it is pure racist crap. If my grandparents felt the way you do about racial purity and preservation then a white man with Australian roots never would have married an Afro Hispanic woman from Puerto Rico.
Date whomever you want. Fuck whomever you like, but drop the nonsense about it being for racial preservation unless you don't mind being looked at as a racist.

I am not afraid of, nor will I be intimidated by, anyone calling me a "racist". I've been called a "racist", a "Nazi", a "Klan member", a "bigot", just about anything you can think all because I want to preserve my people.

And before the usual suspects rush in calling me a reverse racist I feel the same way when I hear blacks complain about those who date outside the race.

Why? Are Africans not allowed to have a unique race and people and culture?

Just out of curiosity, what is European culture? How do you preserve something that is different in each of the many countries that make up the European continent?

European culture is not a simple subject. Like you said, there are a vast amount of different cultures on the European continent. The cultures that I aim to preserve are the British ones and the Nordic/Scandinavian ones because that is where my ancestry comes from. Blood is thicker than water.

I'll keep it simple for you kid. People who talk about preserving the white race are generally racists.

Still not caring.

Get your own stuff together before you go around asking others to be coherent(check out your error).

I don't have incorrect grammar. My mother is an English teacher with a Master's in English and Education. Needless to say, she kind of passed it down to me.

Someone asked in a thread how someone gay could turn a blind eye on discrimination. My answer to that is that a large number of gay men are very bigoted. How many times in personal ads does one see posts stating "No blacks". It's not enough to simply state that one is interested in white, Hispanic, or Asian men or whatever floats that person's boat. No, they must state it emphatically, No Blacks.

Probably because there are people who simply aren't to other races? Is that a hard concept to understand? I'm not attracted to blacks, Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Aborigines, the native people of New Zealand, native South Americans, Latinos, etc. I'm only attracted to my own people; and I'm also mostly just attracted to Nordic or British guys. I wouldn't date anyone who isn't from there or descended from them and I'm not even sorry about it.

 

[Klingsor]

I love my people first before all other people and I want my people to live on as a unique race as we have done for hundreds of years.

As long as you understand that the world is not going your way, and don't try to fight that reality, more power to you.

 

[Amaethon]

As long as you understand that the world is not going your way, and don't try to fight that reality, more power to you.

How can I not? I'm not an extremist; I want my people to embrace who we are and truly love what we have made and have a certain loyalty towards it enough to not let it die. How can you let something that you love so much die?

 

[deleted15807]

How can I not? I'm not an extremist; I want my people to embrace who we are and truly love what we have made and have a certain loyalty towards it enough to not let it die. How can you let something that you love so much die?

Hey those Nazis and their eugenics efforts though they failed you may be onto something.

 

[Klingsor]

How can I not? I'm not an extremist; I want my people to embrace who we are and truly love what we have made and have a certain loyalty towards it enough to not let it die. How can you let something that you love so much die?

Let it go. If it really loves you, it will come back.

 

[Amaethon]

Hey those Nazis and their eugenics efforts though they failed you may be onto something.

Eugenics is actually a very good thing, no matter what some "moral" people would say. How is weeding out bad genetics in a hope to make your race/group/whatever a much more stronger and healthier race/group/whatever? People who want to do good for their people get shunned a lot :/

Also, I don't hate the Nazis either. Firstly, because I never truly knew any of them. I hate some of the actions they did, however, but they weren't all bad. There were also a lot of laws that were made to protect animals too.

Let it go. If it really loves you, it will come back.

It would be hard for something to come back if it goes extinct. Not feasible, some say? Look at the Native Americans. Whole tribes have gone extinct. I don't want something on that scale to happen.

 

[Klingsor]

It would be hard for something to come back if it goes extinct. Not feasible, some say? Look at the Native Americans. Whole tribes have gone extinct. I don't want something on that scale to happen.

In the years to come, white people of European descent probably will not occupy the position of power and dominance they have held in the past. But I don't think we're anywhere near to going the way of Native Americans, or likely to follow that path.

Can you not imagine a situation somewhere in between--people of different backgrounds existing in mutual respect and cooperation?

 

[deleted15807]

....... I want to preserve my people.

I guess we should all be happy Cro-Magnon man didn't feel as you do.

The interesting thing is low genetic diversity generally spells doom for a life form but you believe it's a plus? The little bugs that run around and make us all sick if they stayed the same and never ever picked up genes from other bugs they would be much much easier to kill.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Here you go AGAIN...Ignore what matters and play the victim. WTF???
There's nothing wrong with - "It is a miscarriage of justice and people have a right to be angry and to question our system" , but you apparently don't know when to stop beating a dead horse.
I guess you're just TOO STUPID to start another thread, rather than ramble on about anything else floating around in your head.

Thanks for confirming suspicions that you are just on here to troll. If you were a real man then you would have admitted that you were wrong about some of your facts and then all would move on. However you prefer to pretend it never happened and try to redirect.

Docdeath.....dead between the ears

 

[StormfrontFL]

I am not afraid of, nor will I be intimidated by, anyone calling me a "racist". I've been called a "racist", a "Nazi", a "Klan member", a "bigot", just about anything you can think all because I want to preserve my people.



Why? Are Africans not allowed to have a unique race and people and culture?Sure, but if they had to demonize other races or cultures in order to try to glorify theirs I would have a problem with that too. Nothing wrong with having pride as long as one can recognize and accept that others have the same right to that pride.







I don't have incorrect grammar. My mother is an English teacher with a Master's in English and Education. Needless to say, she kind of passed it down to me.



Probably because there are people who simply aren't to other races? Is that a hard concept to understand? I'm not attracted to blacks, Asians, Indians, Native Americans, Aborigines, the native people of New Zealand, native South Americans, Latinos, etc. I'm only attracted to my own people; and I'm also mostly just attracted to Nordic or British guys. I wouldn't date anyone who isn't from there or descended from them and I'm not even sorry about it.

Please reread your posts and hopefully you will find the errors you made(check out the part in blue in your post). If I were you I'd go back to school and try to get it right the second time around.

Here's your previous post(once again notice the part in blue)

Could you speak a little more coherently, please?

I love my people first before all other people and I want my people to live on as a unique race as we have done for hundreds of years. We're not the 'white race' either. We're Europeans,

basically, not matter if you were born there or not. If you want to get into anthropological terms, we're Europids.

Next time you want to act like a condescending tool make sure you have dealt with all your flaws first