The Politics of Race: the case of Trayvon Martin

[Eric_8]

Black Teens Murder White Baby For The Fun Of It In Georgia - YouTube

Truly awful stuff...can't wait to see civil rights violations brought against these thugs.

Oh wait.....whites can't have their civil rights violated.

 

[hungandquiteproud]

This appears to be an open-and-shut criminal offense, Eric. Given the age of the victim, the fifteen-year-old could be tried as an adult for the maliciousness of the crime and imprisoned for a very long time, possibly life in prison.

For a civil rights charge to stick -- not that it's necessary at this point, but let's just entertain it for the sake of your unending sarcasm -- the court would need evidence that the two African American teens targeted this Caucasian lady because of her race. You'd probably need to talk to the kid. And unfortunately, we don't know how many witnesses were around to see this event happen. The only thing that is clear is that this attempted robbery (for no money at all) ended HORRIBLY. The punitive measures would fall down hard on this kid, for sure; then again, the kid might get a defense attorney that could push for a deal.

Is this clear? Or, really, am I beating my head against pavement trying to offer a sensible approach?

 

[hungandquiteproud]

You know what would be hilarious as shit?

...if Amaethon decides to donate his sperm and a not-even-a-little-bit white lady decides to use it. Oooooh, and you let that caramel mocha-colored heathen into the WORLD!

 

[StormfrontFL]

Black Teens Murder White Baby For The Fun Of It In Georgia - YouTube

Truly awful stuff...can't wait to see civil rights violations brought against these thugs.

Oh wait.....whites can't have their civil rights violated.

Shame on you, Eric, for sinking so low to try to prove a point. If the teens accused really did kill that child then they should face justice. No one would deny that.

Now do you want me to pull a H0neymustard and find a story about a murdered black child so I can then post and ask something as ridiculous as what you just did?

Nice to see that HM is rubbing off on you to the extent that you don't even feel the need to get more info on the case because it's more important to get your digs in.

My god, you guys are so upset about the system that was designed for you not working as you'd like. What's it called? White victimization? Hey, now you know what it feels like to be black

Not sure of the innocence or guilt of the accused but here's some info that could make one question this case
Statement Analysis: Sherry West: Mother of Shot Baby
Daughter of Brunswick victim, Sherry West, questions mother's story | firstcoastnews.com
Daughter of woman whose baby was fatally shot doubts her mother's story
West, 42, told police that while returning from the post office last Thursday morning in Brunswick, the two teens came up to rob her, demanding money. After she allegedly told them repeatedly that she didn’t have any, they shot at her head but missed.
All the while she thought it was a toy gun and the teens were just trying to scare her. West said the boys then shot her in the leg and shot baby Antonio in the face.
That is the version of the story told to police, but rumblings of doubt are setting in, with some coming from West’s own family
Speaking to First Coast News, Glassey, who lives in New Jersey, claimed her mother may have killed the baby for the insurance money. She said she started to question her mother’s account of what happened when she began giving conflicting stories.
West’s stories also seemed to change, her daughter said, telling FCN, "She changed her story she told me the baby was shot first and then she told me she was shot first." She added that she has contacted the Brunswick police but no one has called her back. Glassey also claimed her mother had mental problems and suffered from schizophrenia as well as being bipolar.
I can't wait to read how those who claimed that the fact that Zimmerman never changed his story proved he was being honest about what happened will try to excuse or ignore the conflicting story from Ms. West.
Gunpowder found on hands of parents of Georgia baby allegedly shot by teens
Now, there is news that the hands of both the mother and father of the murdered baby, have tested positive for gunpowder residue.
According to CBS News, the parents tested positive the same day the baby Santiago was allegedly murdered by the teens.
Which has raised some deeply troubling questions; how did gunpowder get on the hands of the father Louis Santiago, who, according to the parents’ story—was not present during the shooting?
Forensic reports states “This supports the possibility that [Louis Santiago] discharged a firearm, was in close proximity to a firearm upon discharge, or came into contact with an item whose surface bears GSR [gunshot residue]."
Santiago is currently in jail on aggravated stalking charges for violating police orders to stay away from Sherry West. She said he went crazy after their baby was killed, accusing her of murdering the baby.

Before considering this case closed remember the name Susan Smith.
http://bigsole.blogspot.com/2013/03/baby-shot-in-stroller-2013-echoes-of.html

Really surprised to see you jumping on the bandwagon, Eric

 

[hungandquiteproud]

TKO! *rings the bell*

 

[StormfrontFL]

This appears to be an open-and-shut criminal offense, Eric. Given the age of the victim, the fifteen-year-old could be tried as an adult for the maliciousness of the crime and imprisoned for a very long time, possibly life in prison.

For a civil rights charge to stick -- not that it's necessary at this point, but let's just entertain it for the sake of your unending sarcasm -- the court would need evidence that the two African American teens targeted this Caucasian lady because of her race. You'd probably need to talk to the kid. And unfortunately, we don't know how many witnesses were around to see this event happen. The only thing that is clear is that this attempted robbery (for no money at all) ended HORRIBLY. The punitive measures would fall down hard on this kid, for sure; then again, the kid might get a defense attorney that could push for a deal.

Is this clear? Or, really, am I beating my head against pavement trying to offer a sensible approach?

Good luck trying to get through the sarcasm.

Your post reminds me of one in a thread about the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes law. Several of those opposed to the passing of hate crimes legislation felt that it wouldn't protect them as well and tried to argue that if a black man beat or robbed a white man it should be an automatic hate crime. No matter how many times they were told that it would only be a hate crime if it could be proven that the victim was targeted solely based on his race. If it could be shown that the attacker had a strong anti white bias and would have attacked any white person then it is a hate crime. Beating or robbing the first person that came along isn't a hate crime.

Simply put....
I say that I'm going to attack the next person I see and that person is white then it's just assault

I say that I'm going to attack the next white person I see then it's assault with a hate crime enhancement

 

[Eric_8]

This appears to be an open-and-shut criminal offense, Eric. Given the age of the victim, the fifteen-year-old could be tried as an adult for the maliciousness of the crime and imprisoned for a very long time, possibly life in prison.

For a civil rights charge to stick -- not that it's necessary at this point, but let's just entertain it for the sake of your unending sarcasm -- the court would need evidence that the two African American teens targeted this Caucasian lady because of her race. You'd probably need to talk to the kid. And unfortunately, we don't know how many witnesses were around to see this event happen. The only thing that is clear is that this attempted robbery (for no money at all) ended HORRIBLY. The punitive measures would fall down hard on this kid, for sure; then again, the kid might get a defense attorney that could push for a deal.

Is this clear? Or, really, am I beating my head against pavement trying to offer a sensible approach?

NEVER said civil rights charges should be brought on these goons...but the defense you're giving (not an incorrect one imo) seems to be similar to the defense that some (myself included) are giving to GZ in regards to hate crimes.

Regardless of the action, there's simply ZERO proof of intent, and thus, no reason for CR violation charges. Unlike my stance on this case, there seems to be little to no sense of pragmatism as it pertains to Zimmerman and his pending/potential federal suit. Worse yet, some here seem to think that he not only deserves them, but that there is sufficient proof that he does.

Come off it Storm. I'm not claiming white victimization. Gimme a friggin break. You're not dumb, so you know my stance on the "fairness" of the legal system.

What on earth is sinking low about that? This act (assuming it was the kids that shot the baby and not the mother) is at least as deplorable as Zimmerman shooting Martin. Shouldn't the Al Sharptons (apparently this is racially incendiary code speak lol) out there express at least SOME outrage about this?

And Hung, given your sporting reference, I'm thinking you ought to be a boxing judge...your horribly misguided view on the matter would fit right in well in that bass ackwards world!

 

[h0neymustard]

George Zimmerman Emerges From Hiding, Helps Rescue Family Trapped in Overturned SUV - The Hollywood Gossip

You can basically see the malice oozing from his pores, am I right?

Some people "think" that he set up the crash. Insanity.

 

[Eric_8]

I also find it quite amusing that, for as bad as he is, H0ney is NEVER offended when his name is brought up in a post that is not a direct response. Good, bad (as is frequently the case), or indifferent, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

b.c. on the other hand gets the sandiest of vaginas when I (or anyone) accurately and fairly mentions him in a post that isn't related to him.

not at all important, but certainly amusing.

 

[h0neymustard]

Public didn
Media and the beating down of Zimmerman's character.

Although Zimmerman is classed as “white Hispanic,” his great-grandfather was black, and he has black relatives. He was raised in a mixed-race home. His grandmother babysat two black girls in the community for years, the girls ate their meals with Zimmerman’s family, and traveled back and forth to school with the Zimmerman children.
Zimmerman is a registered Democrat who supported Barack Obama for President.
He chose a black girl as his date for his high-school prom.
In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an insurance office together.
Zimmerman and his wife tutored and mentored black kids for years, free of charge.
In 2011, the Sanford Police failed to arrest a white police lieutenant’s son after he assaulted a homeless black man. Zimmerman played a leading role in protesting the cover up. He passed out fliers urging citizens to attend a public meeting about the case, and confronted the newly-elected mayor at the meeting, demanding more police accountability.

The acts of a racist! So since Zimmerman is registered Democrat, then Democrats must the racists huh?

 

[h0neymustard]

I also find it quite amusing that, for as bad as he is, H0ney is NEVER offended when his name is brought up in a post that is not a direct response. Good, bad (as is frequently the case), or indifferent, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

b.c. on the other hand gets the sandiest of vaginas when I (or anyone) accurately and fairly mentions him in a post that isn't related to him.

not at all important, but certainly amusing.

I actually have a set of cojones.

 

[StormfrontFL]

NEVER said civil rights charges should be brought on these goons...but the defense you're giving (not an incorrect one imo) seems to be similar to the defense that some (myself included) are giving to GZ in regards to hate crimes.

Regardless of the action, there's simply ZERO proof of intent, and thus, no reason for CR violation charges. Unlike my stance on this case, there seems to be little to no sense of pragmatism as it pertains to Zimmerman and his pending/potential federal suit. Worse yet, some here seem to think that he not only deserves them, but that there is sufficient proof that he does.

Come off it Storm. I'm not claiming white victimization. Gimme a friggin break. You're not dumb, so you know my stance on the "fairness" of the legal system.

What on earth is sinking low about that? This act (assuming it was the kids that shot the baby and not the mother) is at least as deplorable as Zimmerman shooting Martin. Shouldn't the Al Sharptons (apparently this is racially incendiary code speak lol) out there express at least SOME outrage about this?

And Hung, given your sporting reference, I'm thinking you ought to be a boxing judge...your horribly misguided view on the matter would fit right in well in that bass ackwards world!

I called it sinking low because instead of trying to bring about an actual discussion you resorted to a dig at those who take these issues seriously. You did what HM usually does and I would expect more of you.

As for Sharpton, why should he be required to speak out? He came into the Martin/Zimmerman picture because he was asked to by Martin's family. Without the attention Sharpton's presence brought to the matter there wouldn't even have been an investigation. It would have been Emmitt Till all over again.

And for the final time....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not the kings of all black people. There are clergy, business owners, and even community organizers(and we know what the right wing thinks of them) that deal with a variety of issues within the black communities. So for those who want to blast us for not "caring about the breakdown of black families" or of the problems in Chicago please be aware that these people are capable of addressing those concerns as well as question the failings of the criminal justice system.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I also find it quite amusing that, for as bad as he is, H0ney is NEVER offended when his name is brought up in a post that is not a direct response. Good, bad (as is frequently the case), or indifferent, it doesn't seem to be an issue.

b.c. on the other hand gets the sandiest of vaginas when I (or anyone) accurately and fairly mentions him in a post that isn't related to him.

not at all important, but certainly amusing.

Perhaps it's because b.c. is actually on here to discuss things instead of just being here to post stuff to stir shit up. When has HM ever engaged in any type of discussion about anything that he posts?

 

[StormfrontFL]

Public didn
Media and the beating down of Zimmerman's character.



The acts of a racist! So since Zimmerman is registered Democrat, then Democrats must the racists huh?

People consider you and your posts garbage . You're a conservative, then conservatives must be garbage , huh?:tongue:

 

[b.c.]

Perhaps it's because b.c. is actually on here to discuss things instead of just being here to post stuff to stir shit up. When has HM ever engaged in any type of discussion about anything that he posts?

Maybe the only one here with a "sandy vagina" is he, since he can't stop mentioning me.

FWIW, anyone who posts shit like, black folk have "cornered the market" on watermelon, fried chicken, and fruit flavored soda (jokingly or not), or suggests that African Americans are the "only minority" who haven't improved their lot in life, isn't even WORTHY of a fu*king response, imo, and the fact that he (and certain others) keep trying to dredge up examples of so called BLACK racism, equally telling, I think.

 

[b.c.]

I called it sinking low because instead of trying to bring about an actual discussion you resorted to a dig at those who take these issues seriously. You did what HM usually does and I would expect more of you.

As for Sharpton, why should he be required to speak out? He came into the Martin/Zimmerman picture because he was asked to by Martin's family. Without the attention Sharpton's presence brought to the matter there wouldn't even have been an investigation. It would have been Emmitt Till all over again.

And for the final time....Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are not the kings of all black people. There are clergy, business owners, and even community organizers(and we know what the right wing thinks of them) that deal with a variety of issues within the black communities. So for those who want to blast us for not "caring about the breakdown of black families" or of the problems in Chicago please be aware that these people are capable of addressing those concerns as well as question the failings of the criminal justice system.

I don't get WHAT THE POINT IS anyway. Why are all of these people dredging up other crimes, other injustices, other acts of discrimination, statistics on who said or did this or that? WHAT'S THE FUCKING POINT??

Is the point supposed to be something like: because some injustice happened here or some crime happened there, Trayvon Martin's killing and trial is just ANOTHER example of MORE OF THE SAME, "par for the course"...so no one should say anything nor expect any better?

Because other shit happens around us every day we're supposed to be okay with this?

When does it end? When is it the right time NOT to be okay with it?

 

[vince]

14,000 black on white rapes reported by the FBI in 2007. How many white on black rapes? Zero.

Please provide a link to an FBI report that backs up this claim. Non-FBI sources will not be considered to be reliable or non-biased.

 

[h0neymustard]

Surprise surprise:
BUSTED: Left Wing Plant at Houston Pro-Zimmerman Rally Is Far Left Activist | The Gateway Pundit

Here's the story I pulled the numbers from:
Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism

After researching the FBI numbers for "Suicide of a Superpower," this writer concluded: "An analysis of 'single offender victimization figures' from the FBI for 2007 finds blacks committed 433,934 crimes against whites, eight times the 55,685 whites committed against blacks. Interracial rape is almost exclusively black on white — with 14,000 assaults on white women by African Americans in 2007. Not one case of a white sexual assault on a black female was found in the FBI study."

Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

 

[deleted15807]

Really surprised to see you jumping on the bandwagon, Eric

Not me.

Here's the story I pulled the numbers from:
Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism

A Pat Buchanan opinion piece. And he provides no footnotes. Not really a surprise.

 

[Klingsor]

Here's the story I pulled the numbers from:
Black America's Real Problem Isn't White Racism

You might as well have pulled the numbers out of your ass. Which, considering your source is Pat Buchanan, you kinda did.

Experts Dispute Buchanan On Race And Crime
Debunking Buchanan: Violent crime and racial fearmongering