The Public Option is very much ALIVE.

[B_VinylBoy]

And since your house has never been on fire why should you pay for the fire department?

I bet Mr. Spandex doesn't even realize that he's been paying for other people's healthcare with every paycheck anyhow.

 

[deleted15807]

I bet Mr. Spandex doesn't even realize that he's been paying for other people's healthcare with every paycheck anyhow.

Ssssshhhhhh. We all pay so people aren't dying in the streets like a third world country. Then again some would like that. Since of course they deserved what they got.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Health care for every citizen in such a highly industrialized society as ours is most definitely a right, as much a right as freedom of the speech, right to assembly, and the right to bear arms so you can protect yourself in case Big E comes a gunnin' for ya.

Funny, I missed the healthcare bit in the constitution, unlike the other rights you mentioned.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Funny, I missed the healthcare bit in the constitution, unlike the other rights you mentioned.

Well, golly! Your right to privacy isn't specifically mentioned in the Constitution either. That means I can look through your window all I want! Freedom of Expression? Not there either. Can I tell you to shut up then? The Separation of Church & State? Nope... so I guess you wouldn't mind if Mormons took over your town and changed all the rules?

The Constitution never mentioned many things that we now consider to be rights. Stop using it as a shield for your disingenuous and unethical thoughts.

 

[midlifebear]

Funny, I missed the healthcare bit in the constitution, unlike the other rights you mentioned.

I'm not surprised, because your a selfish, crass asshole only interested in your own little world and annoyed that real people share their good fortune for the better good. Obviously, you missed that week in kindergarten where the basics of Humanism and how to get along with others were the main topics.

One can only imagine what you thought the communal sand box was for.

 

[deleted15807]

Funny, I missed the healthcare bit in the constitution, unlike the other rights you mentioned.

Your remind me of a pack of dogs. Totally concerned about only the pack. The health of other packs or even the land they roam totally unconcerned. Even when it's obvious they should. Humanity has evolved. Somehow you missed that.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Your remind me of a pack of dogs. Totally concerned about only the pack. The health of other packs or even the land they roam totally unconcerned. Even when it's obvious they should. Humanity has evolved. Somehow you missed that.

This just illustrates the illogical argument of the socialist left that thinks that personal responsibility is somehow the opposite of humanitarianism.

 

[deleted15807]

You're a dog nothing more.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

This just illustrates the illogical argument of the socialist left that thinks that personal responsibility is somehow the opposite of humanitarianism.

Of course... if it's a problem, just blame it on the _________ left. Mix in additional adjectives & descriptive words for more emphasis.

Can you do us all a favor and let the grown ups in the grey areas speak? Seems as if you've went beyond Kool-Aid, went straight to freebasing and it's affected your eyesight to only see in red & blue. Thanks!

 

[deleted15807]

I like my healthcare too... but it could be better. And I wouldn't mind having the option to switch as do more than 70% of people in America. Fuzzy math.

The alarming thing is that most people do 'like' there health care but interestingly enough companies each year are cutting back. Bit by bit each year they are transferring the cost of health care to the employee. Eventually the trend is clear, private health insurance will go the way of company pensions. Gone. Gone. Gone.

I'm not surprised, because your a selfish, crass asshole only interested in your own little world and annoyed that real people share their good fortune for the better good. Obviously, you missed that week in kindergarten where the basics of Humanism and how to get along with others were the main topics.

One can only imagine what you thought the communal sand box was for.

The fascinating thing is how they have managed to merge this rabid self interest with religion. I don't know of a single religion that asks it members to walk out and only think of themselves. You are not to worry about your neighbor. The highest calling is for yourself and your family. Unbelievable.

And should you manage to become filthy rich by charging your neighbor $100 for something that costs you $5 all those riches belong to you and you have no obligation or higher calling to share that with anyone but your family....just like a pack of dogs or wolves that share a kill with their pack only.

 

[D_Cleon W Ballbreath IV]

I'm not sure that requiring auto insurance is really all that necessary. All it really does is provide a pool of money for someone to sue into. I personally think its a good idea as it protects my assets from being depleted in the case of a major accident.

When I read this, all I heard was "Me, me, me, me, me." The purpose of requiring auto insurance isn't for the policy holder's benefit; it's to make sure anyone or anything that might be hit by you will be compensated. Since everyone must have it, I, who walk on the sidewalks a lot, don't have to worry about getting hit by someone who isn't covered.

You really dont want to point to public education as an example when you consider how horribly it has failed many of our students and is failing even more rapidly now in a time of budget crunches. Still I will say that society as a whole can benefit from a more intelligent, informed constituency, that might be worth subsidizing.

I agree that public schools are nowhere near what we want them to be, but that's a topic for another thread. Could you imagine not having them? An education is one of the great levelers in society. Without at least the opportunity for all children to learn, regardless of their parents' ability to pay, it would be a joke to say we were all equal. Most of the civilized world now considers health care the same way.

Come up with a real argument. Your tactic is classic.

Come up with some compassion. Your tactic is medieval.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

The alarming thing is that most people do 'like' there health care but interestingly enough companies each year are cutting back. Bit by bit each year they are transferring the cost of health care to the employee. Eventually the trend is clear, private health insurance will go the way of company pensions. Gone. Gone. Gone.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who say that they "like" their healthcare are ones who say it because it's better than having nothing at all. Of course, leave it to some people who takes a statistic that says a certain amount like their coverage, then distort it to make it look like a response that reflects they're 100% satisfied.

 

[D_Cleon W Ballbreath IV]

So because I am a healthy young person, I should be penalized into paying more for healthcare because of someone else's bad situation? I hope you can see what a hard pill that is to swallow.

Why should the young and healthy have to subsidize the health care of others? Same question could be raised by the childless about the eduction of the children of others. It's in all of our best interests to provide a minimal amount to each other through our taxes. Otherwise, we should go back to the caves.

 

[deleted15807]

Why should the young and healthy have to subsidize the health care of others? Same question could be raised by the childless about the eduction of the children of others. It's in all of our best interests to provide a minimal amount to each other through our taxes. Otherwise, we should go back to the caves.

Nail on the head award :smile: They really want to rewind the clock 100 or 200 years. The law of the land was the gun in your holster. Women couldn't vote and neither could minorities. No IRS, no Social Security, No Medicare, no anything. Peel the layers back and it all comes out.

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

Harry Reid is on cable right now, giving a press conference.

The two bills in the senate have been melded, there will be a public option.


A national public option is being created that will include an "opt-out": individual states can decline to participate.

There will be a co-op in this bill. Public option will ensure competition, he says.

 

[MercyfulFate]

Harry Reid is on cable right now, giving a press conference.

The two bills in the senate have been melded, there will be a public option.


A national public option is being created that will include an "opt-out": individual states can decline to participate.

There will be a co-op in this bill. Public option will ensure competition, he says.

So if you live in a state that opts out, you're up shit's creek?

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

Posted on Politico just before the press conference:

Reid to announce push for public option

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will announce this afternoon that he plans to push ahead with a public option vote – most likely one that includes an opt-out provision for states – even though he's currently short several votes for passage, according to people close to the situation.

The Nevada Democrat has 3:15 p.m. press conference to discuss details.

Reid, who spoke with virtually every member of his 60-member caucus this weekend, currently has between 56 and 57 votes for a proposal to create a national insurance plan but allow states to opt out of it, according to Democratic aides.

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Yes, individual states can "opt-out" of this new plan and deny their citizens a government option which ensures competition. Liberal states will have the option of reasonably priced healthcare -- and conservative states who opt-out have the option of continuing the same old same old that's been working so wonderfully for them the past 2 decades. Everybody wins!

 

[deleted15807]

Do we even have to wonder what states will opt of those socialist programs from Washington? Then again the states are a lot more pragmatic and less ideologically driven than Washington.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Why should the young and healthy have to subsidize the health care of others? Same question could be raised by the childless about the eduction of the children of others. It's in all of our best interests to provide a minimal amount to each other through our taxes. Otherwise, we should go back to the caves.

So then shouldn't that "minimal amount" be the same for everyone?

 

[Ericsson1228d]

So if you live in a state that opts out, you're up shit's creek?

I hope my state opts out, but no chance of that happening.