The race card

[Eric_8]

When you post some videos like the one I did, or post some links to cases where a white person has been framed, or falsely accused of a crime then beat to a pulp over those false accusations...we can talk...

So, your answer is because racism, in so many words.

We have a scenario where quantifiable facts are available. You say certain numbers are wrong because of racism, perhaps unintentional racism, but racism nonetheless. You then say the other numbers cannot be wrong. You provide no proof, or anything even resembling proof, other than BECAUSE RACISM.

Now, you could well be right (as could I, neither has brought forth anything substantial), it's entirely possible. However, without anything remotely credible to support such a claim, you've given us a clear cut case of...

Race Card 101 folks.

Incredibly fitting that you admit as much in this thread

Note: I would have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone with the courage to at least call NC irresponsible with his post. I'd love for someone on the Liberal side to agree with me, but hell, I'm a realist.

 

[NC_BBC]

Not my contention. Never was. My contention was you cannot say "these numbers are probably wrong" with no proof (because racism is an explanation that wouldn't do in middle school mock trial), while simultaneously "cannot possibly be wrong" with similarly no proof (again, because racism doesn't work).

NC COULD BE RIGHT. Similarly, I could also be right. Without anything resembling credible proof, we can both also be wrong.

If you would...refer to one of my earlier posts when I explain how and why racism is usually swept under the rub. Because it has no tangible properties. It can't be touch or held like a murder weapon... it can't be bagged as exhibit A... Racism exists in a place that can only be depicted on video. Which is why the fire has been burning so bright lately. It's not the 90's where you had to be rich to own a video camera. Had it not been for the Asian guy who caught the Rodney King beating on tape...that beating would have been filed as simply a response to the "suspect resisting arrest".... I challenge you to say otherwise with a straight face. Do you think those officers would have put in their papaerwork "yeah we gang stomped him for being black"? Honestly...? Are you ignoring the video I posted? I asked you to provide some video or reports of similar situations happening to whites.... can you?

 

[NC_BBC]

So, your answer is because racism, in so many words.

We have a scenario where quantifiable facts are available. You say certain numbers are wrong because of racism, perhaps unintentional racism, but racism nonetheless. You then say the other numbers cannot be wrong. You provide no proof, or anything even resembling proof, other than BECAUSE RACISM.

Now, you could well be right (as could I, neither has brought forth anything substantial), it's entirely possible. However, without anything remotely credible to support such a claim, you've given us a clear cut case of...

Race Card 101 folks.

Incredibly fitting that you admit as much in this thread

Note: I would have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone with the courage to at least call NC irresponsible with his post. I'd love for someone on the Liberal side to agree with me, but hell, I'm a realist.

Again... did you watch the video? It's apparent that you didn't. Because if you did, you would SEE and HEAR the way systematic racism exists. It's like a fucking ghost....or bigfoot. If it's not caught on camera, it must not exist. But in RECENT cases, since people of all tax brackets now own video recording devices, we get to SEE it first hand. Watch the fucking video, or shut the fuck up. Because this pompous ass attitude you boast, built purely on ignorance and a lack of history and understanding, is making communication with you less and less desirable with every post.

 

[TDSmoove]

To all of those out there that still want to see more evidence, more videos, more articles, more investigations, and more proof... Exactly when is it enough? When can you people finally say "OK I get it" ? When can you move from from this paralysis by analysis phase and just say "What can I do to help in my own community?" That's the things about racism and hatred, you can't touch it, you can't always film it. Believe it or not, we are not always playing the race card or crying wolf. The people who protect and serve your community are shooting people in mine. Yes there is Black on Black violence, no one denies that. But those criminals don't have a badge, they're not supposed to be protecting us. The police are supposed to be protecting the public.. . ALL of the public. We need their help help in making all communities as safe as possible. Criminals are brought to justice and dealt with. Those in power have a blue wall of silence that they routinely hide behind, whether or not you chose to believe it. You have that luxury. Many in my community don't, and have died because of it. That is also the reality whether you or others chose to believe it or not.

 

[Popyuu]

So two witnesses in and the story has the same ending. Have to ask again. When is it playing the race card and when is it...well...you know.

 

[TDSmoove]

So two witnesses in and the story has the same ending. Have to ask again. When is it playing the race card and when is it...well...you know.

There is no black & white, cut and dry definition, nor can there be. Outside of obvious racism (Yeah it's OK to say it) or obvious bullshit, it's a case by case, see what information is available and go from there. Not all cries of racism are true, but on the flip you can't jus brush them off either. And you have to understand that it can be impossible to prove racism. People have learned to play the "Oh that's not me" game. Partly why I love the South. Many racist out there will tell you in a heartbeat what they think about you. Which I good. Nice simple and direct. It's that sneaky, hide behind and twist words, be as ambiguous as possile yet have plausible deniability racist that piss me off.

 

[h0neymustard]

That's because it'd never occur to them that the existence of black on black crime within our communities, and the added dangers that such crime poses to law abiding members of the community, only serves to heighten the outrage, anger, and frustration

ESPECIALLY when the VERY people whose job it is to "protect and serve", instead, become PARTICIPANTS in murder.

Murder huh? Where is the proof? This is exactly what happened in the GZ trial.

 

[NC_BBC]

Murder huh? Where is the proof? This is exactly what happened in the GZ trial.

What kind of proof do you need? Video footage? Either have a video or it never happened?

 

[h0neymustard]

SO, you're actually under the impression that all the majority of interracial crimes...are commit by black people? I mean...it's not like there's a chance that the vast majority of race based hate crimes against African Americans could be covered up....right? WE should trust that the data from the 90's shows ALL interracial crimes. Let's look at a few facts shall we...the vast majority of the racial injustices that have happened as of late, have only come to light because of bystanders and camera phones. Does anyone disagree? The Trayvon Martin case was an egregious mishandling of justice. Despite the obvious facts in the case, there was no video or eye witness for the crime committed, so Zimmerman walked. The media and police department in Ferguson have TRIED to hide the Mike Brown situation from the light. There are no news updates on the PEACEFUL protests and marches going on in Ferguson. No, they want to TELL you (not show you) the "riots" and "looting" going on. What you haven't seen is police shooting tear gas and rubber bullets into peacefully assembled crowds, and people standing in their own yards.

You're under the distinct impression that all racial injustice is properly documented and presented to the public in a timely manner. Sorry my friend, that is not at all the case. One case and point:

Police dash cam video exonerates New Jersey man, leads to indictment of cops* - NY Daily News

Watch that and tell me again how you think things are properly documented here in America...

FBI crime stats are there for the looking.

 

[NC_BBC]

FBI crime stats are there for the looking.

Are you under the impression that all police misconduct and ill deeds are properly documented and presented to the public?

 

[b.c.]

Murder huh? Where is the proof? This is exactly what happened in the GZ trial.

What kind of proof do you need? Video footage? Either have a video or it never happened?

Well I'll have to say he's probably correct, in that the same BULLSHIT that played out in Martin's murder and the subsequent "trial" will undoubtedly occur again.

 

[Onyxpumper]

Are you under the impression that all police misconduct and ill deeds are properly documented and presented to the public?

I'll go ahead and answer that for you NC because I doubt you'll get the answer that should be given...NO!!!! They (crime reports) are not 100% accurate. Why do you ask? Not all crime is reported accurately. With one you report (UCR if memory serves me correctly) only the most heinous crimes are 'reported'; as in if a murder is reported during a robbery then the murder, while mentioned, is only a side bar under the murder reporting and therefore not officially counted. The hate-crime report is definitely not accurate, it has to be deemed a hate-crime for it to be counted. For example; as in the case of Kendrick Johnson, the PD and ME involved wrote the reports down as an accidental death but the evidence of misconduct on the part of the PD, ME and School board seems to be very apparent. However, until an official investigation is completed, it will remain an 'accidental death'.

 

[StormfrontFL]

SO, you're actually under the impression that all the majority of interracial crimes...are commit by black people? I mean...it's not like there's a chance that the vast majority of race based hate crimes against African Americans could be covered up....right? WE should trust that the data from the 90's shows ALL interracial crimes. Let's look at a few facts shall we...the vast majority of the racial injustices that have happened as of late, have only come to light because of bystanders and camera phones. Does anyone disagree? The Trayvon Martin case was an egregious mishandling of justice. Despite the obvious facts in the case, there was no video or eye witness for the crime committed, so Zimmerman walked. The media and police department in Ferguson have TRIED to hide the Mike Brown situation from the light. There are no news updates on the PEACEFUL protests and marches going on in Ferguson. No, they want to TELL you (not show you) the "riots" and "looting" going on. What you haven't seen is police shooting tear gas and rubber bullets into peacefully assembled crowds, and people standing in their own yards.

You're under the distinct impression that all racial injustice is properly documented and presented to the public in a timely manner. Sorry my friend, that is not at all the case. One case and point:

Police dash cam video exonerates New Jersey man, leads to indictment of cops* - NY Daily News

Watch that and tell me again how you think things are properly documented here in America...

More recently there was the case of Alfred Wright. Mr. Wright was a black man who was killed outside of Jasper, Texas the site of the James Byrd murder. He was found with his throat cut and ear missing. The police decided it was an "accidental overdose"
Black Man in Jasper, Texas Found With Cut Throat And Missing Ear - Ruled ‘Accidental Overdose`.

 

[Eric_8]

Again... did you watch the video? It's apparent that you didn't. Because if you did, you would SEE and HEAR the way systematic racism exists. It's like a fucking ghost....or bigfoot. If it's not caught on camera, it must not exist. But in RECENT cases, since people of all tax brackets now own video recording devices, we get to SEE it first hand. Watch the fucking video, or shut the fuck up. Because this pompous ass attitude you boast, built purely on ignorance and a lack of history and understanding, is making communication with you less and less desirable with every post.

Then stop. You're saying that, because there are some cases of police brutality against blacks (nothing I've ever disputed), the entire system, and therefore everything derived from the system, is racist...which lends (in your mind at least) credibility to the belief that ONLY the black numbers listed are shady, again, BECAUSE RACISM!!!

As with anything that is neither proven (which you failed to do) or repudiated (which I never attempted to do), I granted that it is possible you are correct, just as it is possible (probable, in my mind, but no matter) that you are wrong. So, what we are left with is to take you on faith that the numbers are intentionally wrong, and, not only are they wrong, but they are wrong because racism, with one video as "proof." You'll forgive me if I raise a People's Eyebrow in skepticism, and let loose a laugh of incredulity.

I am debating you, and you are presenting arguments that would get eviscerated at a 6th grade mock trial. That is not pomposity, it is simply debating with an intellectual inferior...calling me ignorant doesn't change that.

 

[NC_BBC]

Then stop. You're saying that, because there are some cases of police brutality against blacks (nothing I've ever disputed), the entire system, and therefore everything derived from the system, is racist...which lends (in your mind at least) credibility to the belief that ONLY the black numbers listed are shady, again, BECAUSE RACISM!!!

As with anything that is neither proven (which you failed to do) or repudiated (which I never attempted to do), I granted that it is possible you are correct, just as it is possible (probable, in my mind, but no matter) that you are wrong. So, what we are left with is to take you on faith that the numbers are intentionally wrong, and, not only are they wrong, but they are wrong because racism, with one video as "proof." You'll forgive me if I raise a People's Eyebrow in skepticism, and let loose a laugh of incredulity.

I am debating you, and you are presenting arguments that would get eviscerated at a 6th grade mock trial. That is not pomposity, it is simply debating with an intellectual inferior...calling me ignorant doesn't change that.

Soooooooooooo, did you watch the video or not? Did you read the article, or not? Did you get the idea that UNTIL THAT VIDEO SRUFACED that black man was about to spend YEARS of his life in jail, AFTER being UNLAWFULLY assaulted by POLICE OFFICERS. Is it now a numbers game? You need more videos to understand the point? I have quite a few....give me a number and I'll get you that many. They're everywhere, just not in mainstream media. So... do you have any videos of the like that show THIS TYPE of abuse of power towards white people? Any?

 

[Eric_8]

So two witnesses in and the story has the same ending. Have to ask again. When is it playing the race card and when is it...well...you know.

Not discussing the race card as it pertains to this case, as you will know if you choose to read my interaction with NC.

We have one cop (not sure if Brown's killer) giving his side of the story. What happens if there is an additional one, two, or ten cops to corroborate this story? Does their story become more truthful than the witnesses? Perhaps the witnesses are lying? Perhaps are cops are lying? I cannot say for certainty, which is why I've said nothing about folks playing the race card as it pertains to this shooting.

This is what I find intolerable: I am seemingly unable to question the witnesses story, because there's no chance they might be fudging the truth, while you can dismiss law enforcement's story by saying they're racist, as that is apparently a stone cold fact.

 

[Eric_8]

There is no black & white, cut and dry definition, nor can there be. Outside of obvious racism (Yeah it's OK to say it) or obvious bullshit, it's a case by case, see what information is available and go from there. Not all cries of racism are true, but on the flip you can't jus brush them off either. And you have to understand that it can be impossible to prove racism. People have learned to play the "Oh that's not me" game. Partly why I love the South. Many racist out there will tell you in a heartbeat what they think about you. Which I good. Nice simple and direct. It's that sneaky, hide behind and twist words, be as ambiguous as possile yet have plausible deniability racist that piss me off.

You cannot condemn fallacious claims of racism? Excuse me? "Jus" brushing them off would be the least of what I'd do.

 

[Eric_8]

Soooooooooooo, did you watch the video or not? Did you read the article, or not? Did you get the idea that UNTIL THAT VIDEO SRUFACED that black man was about to spend YEARS of his life in jail, AFTER being UNLAWFULLY assaulted by POLICE OFFICERS. Is it now a numbers game? You need more videos to understand the point? I have quite a few....give me a number and I'll get you that many. They're everywhere, just not in mainstream media. So... do you have any videos of the like that show THIS TYPE of abuse of power towards white people? Any?

And?

First, you're the one all about numbers (until they hurt your argument of course), so don't float that garbage.

I understand that there are racist cops out there. I understand that some abuse their power in outrageous manners. I have not even once attempted to argue with you on that matter.

What you have maintained is that the entire system is racist. Your proof has been that video (maybe a few others?). Therefore, using this extremely limited breadth/depth of examples, you can safely conclude that your belief of the entire system being racist is accurate. I, for one, cannot conceivably do that.

There are a handful (obviously more, but you'll understand I hope) of extremist Muslims. There are a handful of white supremacists. I do not, therefore, conclude that all Muslims are extremists, just as I do not conclude that all whites are white supremacists. There lies the difference. You're cool with attributing the actions of a few to be indicative of the whole...I, am not.

 

[NC_BBC]

Uhhhhh point me to the post where I said the ENTIRE system was racist.... I'll wait here patiently...

 

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