The Republican Attack on the Right to Vote
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When you're president for life, there's only one way you're removed from office.
- b.c.,
Alien abduction?
Naaaahh... 'd never happen. They'd return his ass in just under twenty five minutes.
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- b.c.,
Remember when Trump stood there on a national "pulpit" and told his supporters that "the system was rigged"??
Well, considering what we've learned SINCE, I guess he fkn well KNEW - better than any of US:
Cambridge Analytica harvested data from millions of unsuspecting Facebook users - NBC News
Well, considering what we've learned SINCE, I guess he fkn well KNEW - better than any of US:
Cambridge Analytica harvested data from millions of unsuspecting Facebook users - NBC News
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This is why I don't do Facebook. In fact, I stay off the internet entirely.
- b.c.,
Neither do I... my face hasn't a book, my "space" is not online and I neither twitter nor tweet. I do make a rather yummy pb&j sandwich tho.
Funny you sort of mention "myspace"
I remember when that was THE THING everyone just had to use.
I remember when that was THE THING everyone just had to use.
- b.c.,
Really? And not so much anymore? Goes to show what little I know about it.
- b.c.,
Kris Kobach’s Voting Sham Gets Exposed in Court - The New York Times
from the article:
"The modern American crusade against voter fraud has always been propelled by faith." [here I disagree with the wording... it's the modern CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN CRUSADE, and NOT so much "against voter fraud"]
"That is, an insistent belief in things unseen... like voters who show up at the polls pretending to be someone else, or noncitizens who try to register and vote illegally."
"Fraud like this is so rare as to be almost unmeasurable, and yet its specter has led to dozens of strict new laws around the country. Passed in the name of electoral integrity," [again the editorial board of the NYT are being FAR too kind, imo. MORE like "passed under the GUISE of electoral integrity..."]
"the laws, which usually require voters to present photo IDs at the polls or provide proof of citizenship to register, make voting harder, if not impossible, for tens of thousands of people — disproportionately minorities and others who tend to vote Democratic."
"The high priest of this faith-based movement is Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate who has been preaching his gospel of deception to Republican lawmakers for years.... even though he has failed to identify more than a tiny handful of possible cases of fraud."
"In his eight years as secretary of state, he has secured a total of nine convictions, only one of which was for illegal voting by a noncitizen..."
"most were for double-voting by older Republican men."
"In a Kansas City courtroom, Mr. Kobach and his fellow true believers have struggled to defend a 2013 state law that requires prospective voters to prove their citizenship before they can register."
"It has not gone well for Mr. Kobach. The lawsuit... contends that the legislation violates federal law, which requires only that prospective voters attest to their citizenship under penalty of perjury. Meanwhile, it disenfranchised tens of thousands of Kansans, who were disproportionately younger voters or voters with no party affiliation."
"And how many noncitizens did the law stop from voting? ... One would think that after all these years, Mr. Kobach would have something to show for his dogged efforts."
"Yet according to his own witnesses, Kansas, which has 1.8 million registered voters, has identified 129 noncitizens it says registered or tried to register since 2000. Of those 129 people, 11 actually voted, and it’s not clear how many of these cases represent intentional fraud, as opposed to honest mistakes or clerical errors."
from the article:
"The modern American crusade against voter fraud has always been propelled by faith." [here I disagree with the wording... it's the modern CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN CRUSADE, and NOT so much "against voter fraud"]
"That is, an insistent belief in things unseen... like voters who show up at the polls pretending to be someone else, or noncitizens who try to register and vote illegally."
"Fraud like this is so rare as to be almost unmeasurable, and yet its specter has led to dozens of strict new laws around the country. Passed in the name of electoral integrity," [again the editorial board of the NYT are being FAR too kind, imo. MORE like "passed under the GUISE of electoral integrity..."]
"the laws, which usually require voters to present photo IDs at the polls or provide proof of citizenship to register, make voting harder, if not impossible, for tens of thousands of people — disproportionately minorities and others who tend to vote Democratic."
"The high priest of this faith-based movement is Kris Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state and gubernatorial candidate who has been preaching his gospel of deception to Republican lawmakers for years.... even though he has failed to identify more than a tiny handful of possible cases of fraud."
"In his eight years as secretary of state, he has secured a total of nine convictions, only one of which was for illegal voting by a noncitizen..."
"most were for double-voting by older Republican men."
"In a Kansas City courtroom, Mr. Kobach and his fellow true believers have struggled to defend a 2013 state law that requires prospective voters to prove their citizenship before they can register."
"It has not gone well for Mr. Kobach. The lawsuit... contends that the legislation violates federal law, which requires only that prospective voters attest to their citizenship under penalty of perjury. Meanwhile, it disenfranchised tens of thousands of Kansans, who were disproportionately younger voters or voters with no party affiliation."
"And how many noncitizens did the law stop from voting? ... One would think that after all these years, Mr. Kobach would have something to show for his dogged efforts."
"Yet according to his own witnesses, Kansas, which has 1.8 million registered voters, has identified 129 noncitizens it says registered or tried to register since 2000. Of those 129 people, 11 actually voted, and it’s not clear how many of these cases represent intentional fraud, as opposed to honest mistakes or clerical errors."
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Supreme Court keeps revised Pennsylvania congressional map in place
The comments section at the bottom of the article is a particularly enjoyable read.
The comments section at the bottom of the article is a particularly enjoyable read.
There is a concerted ongoing effort by Republicans to disenfranchise the majority to secure power for the minority. The Republicans are ruthless and devious. They are employing tactics of former dictatorships and autocracies. This could be the final blow to democracy. This is how they hold power in spite holding policies that most America is against.
The Trump administration is adding a citizenship question to the Census. Here’s why that’s bad for Democrats.
The change carries potentially major political ramifications — most notably for Republicans’ ability to gerrymander Democrats into the minority for years to come.
The change carries potentially major political ramifications — most notably for Republicans’ ability to gerrymander Democrats into the minority for years to come.
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It is illegal to lie on the census. The risk is something like a $500 fine, which depending on an individual's circumstance could be a significant financial burden, but in addition, that is a registered crime and if anyone's trying to stay under the radar that's a big risk (because it could then be brought up if they try to deport them).
T/S
Just for context I worked on the 2010 census, from "address canvasing" at the very start to the follows up at the very end. about 2 years all in all.
Many items that were/are on the "short form" which is the one that almost everyone gets can get left blank. All the demographic type info could be left blank, anything that was of a P.I.I nature could get left blank.
As we know, many if not most "illegals/undocumented" work and do so using someones else's SSAN so who ever could just use that if it were in fact called for on the form and it not being one of the things that could just be left blank but IIRC there was no block where it even asked for that.
Due to the "noncentralized" nature of how the census is conducted and how the data does not get "crossed checked" it is entirely possible and in fact most people believed that rich people can and do get "counted" multilpe times, 2, 3 maybe even 4 or 5 times because they have multiple addresses, a main home in Birmingham, or someplace "up north" a beach house or condo in Destin or Naples. a "fish camp" on some lake or river, a "deer camp" who knows where, a ski chalet in Vail or Aspen. All found in the course of addess canvasing, all of which would receive a census form, all could be filled out and returned, all would count so some non citizen using some other ID if an ID were in fact required would just be a duplicate that would go undetected.
Besides there are already at least 2 lawsuits which will most likely prevail because the "plain language" in the constitution concerning the census is quite clear it says the census counts PEOPLE. The "founders" who right wingers go on and on at nauseum about when it supports what ever they are arguing for could have said "citizens" they did not they said people.
Also this bullshit about how they need this info WRT to the VRA by saying it will screen out "non eligible voters" is just that BULLSHIT.
These are the same people that think it is just fine that section V of the VRA that was gutted John Roberts with the naive idea that "congress would fix it" that it YEARS later remains gutted.
On top of the FACT that MILLIONS of citizens (that could still get counted) are NOT "eligible to vote"
Just for context I worked on the 2010 census, from "address canvasing" at the very start to the follows up at the very end. about 2 years all in all.
Many items that were/are on the "short form" which is the one that almost everyone gets can get left blank. All the demographic type info could be left blank, anything that was of a P.I.I nature could get left blank.
As we know, many if not most "illegals/undocumented" work and do so using someones else's SSAN so who ever could just use that if it were in fact called for on the form and it not being one of the things that could just be left blank but IIRC there was no block where it even asked for that.
Due to the "noncentralized" nature of how the census is conducted and how the data does not get "crossed checked" it is entirely possible and in fact most people believed that rich people can and do get "counted" multilpe times, 2, 3 maybe even 4 or 5 times because they have multiple addresses, a main home in Birmingham, or someplace "up north" a beach house or condo in Destin or Naples. a "fish camp" on some lake or river, a "deer camp" who knows where, a ski chalet in Vail or Aspen. All found in the course of addess canvasing, all of which would receive a census form, all could be filled out and returned, all would count so some non citizen using some other ID if an ID were in fact required would just be a duplicate that would go undetected.
Besides there are already at least 2 lawsuits which will most likely prevail because the "plain language" in the constitution concerning the census is quite clear it says the census counts PEOPLE. The "founders" who right wingers go on and on at nauseum about when it supports what ever they are arguing for could have said "citizens" they did not they said people.
Also this bullshit about how they need this info WRT to the VRA by saying it will screen out "non eligible voters" is just that BULLSHIT.
These are the same people that think it is just fine that section V of the VRA that was gutted John Roberts with the naive idea that "congress would fix it" that it YEARS later remains gutted.
On top of the FACT that MILLIONS of citizens (that could still get counted) are NOT "eligible to vote"
- b.c.,
Just another tactic in the conspiracy by the REAL "deep state" to skew reality, obfuscate truth, and undermine democracy.
- b.c.,
How an anti-KKK law could bring down a notorious voter-suppression group.
"In the aftermath of the Civil War, the United States Constitution was amended to guarantee civil rights to black Americans."
"The Constitution’s fresh commitment to equality looked great on paper, but it was promptly stymied by white supremacists who terrorized freed slaves in an effort to strip them of their newfound liberties—chief among them, the right to vote."
"Congress, frustrated by the violent suppression of blacks’ access to the ballot, finally passed the Ku Klux Klan Act in 1871. Among other things, the law allowed individuals to sue in federal court when others conspired to deprive them of their constitutional rights."
"On Thursday, four Virginia voters filed a lawsuit against J. Christian Adams, who recently served on Donald Trump’s disbanded voter-fraud commission."
"The voters argued that Adams and his law firm, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, or PILF, conspired to intimidate them out of voting or registering to vote."
"They’re suing Adams for violating Virginia defamation law and the Voting Rights Act—as well as the Ku Klux Klan Act, which, sadly, remains quite relevant as it approaches its sesquicentennial."
"In the aftermath of the Civil War, the United States Constitution was amended to guarantee civil rights to black Americans."
"The Constitution’s fresh commitment to equality looked great on paper, but it was promptly stymied by white supremacists who terrorized freed slaves in an effort to strip them of their newfound liberties—chief among them, the right to vote."
"Congress, frustrated by the violent suppression of blacks’ access to the ballot, finally passed the Ku Klux Klan Act in 1871. Among other things, the law allowed individuals to sue in federal court when others conspired to deprive them of their constitutional rights."
"On Thursday, four Virginia voters filed a lawsuit against J. Christian Adams, who recently served on Donald Trump’s disbanded voter-fraud commission."
"The voters argued that Adams and his law firm, the Public Interest Legal Foundation, or PILF, conspired to intimidate them out of voting or registering to vote."
"They’re suing Adams for violating Virginia defamation law and the Voting Rights Act—as well as the Ku Klux Klan Act, which, sadly, remains quite relevant as it approaches its sesquicentennial."
- b.c.,
"Multiple efforts are now afoot to undermine, reshape, or rig voting in America."
"There are, of course, Trump’s repeated false claims that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 election (which he revived recently at a West Virginia rally)."
"There’s the voter fraud commission he created with the seeming intent of ginning up evidence of voter fraud, only to disband it."
"There are the efforts by his administration to change the 2020 census in ways that will undercount people of color."
"And there are a series of state-level laws aimed at chipping away at representation of African Americans."
Here’s How Trump Is Rigging Democracy at the Voting Booth – Mother Jones
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ump-is-rigging-democracy-at-the-voting-booth/
"There are, of course, Trump’s repeated false claims that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 election (which he revived recently at a West Virginia rally)."
"There’s the voter fraud commission he created with the seeming intent of ginning up evidence of voter fraud, only to disband it."
"There are the efforts by his administration to change the 2020 census in ways that will undercount people of color."
"And there are a series of state-level laws aimed at chipping away at representation of African Americans."
Here’s How Trump Is Rigging Democracy at the Voting Booth – Mother Jones
https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ump-is-rigging-democracy-at-the-voting-booth/
- b.c.,
Top Wisconsin Republican admits that Republicans cannot win in his state without voter suppression
"The Republican Party loves the racist “voter fraud” dog whistle. It serves two purposes by allowing them to be super racist and rev up their bigoted and fearful base, while also providing them with the excuse for suppressing the vote in their areas—usually targeting people of color."
"The Republican Party loves the racist “voter fraud” dog whistle. It serves two purposes by allowing them to be super racist and rev up their bigoted and fearful base, while also providing them with the excuse for suppressing the vote in their areas—usually targeting people of color."
^ not sure what crooked laws mother jones is talking about. You’re obviously going to gobble this up like candy given where you’re coming from. Spinning this into racist propaganda is your specialty. Thankfully many here recognize that and what you attempt to do here on a regular basis.
