The Republican Effort to Cull the Electorate

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I was adopted and do not have my origial or copy of my birth certificate. There are lots of people who have trouble meeting these tests designed to cull the electorate (prevent likely democatic voters from voting).
Show me the legally confirmed vote fraud that these schemes are allegedly designed to prevent.
 

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not having an address (or ID) should not keep you from voting.

homeless/transients are often way more informed than those fed the faux newz diet.

hasnt GM always been one of the main fleet car for guberment? and its great to see them stop driving such guzzlers like the old surburban for one guy to commute alone... keeps more soldiers alive, and gives our kids a chance to be able to have some clean air left for their kids.

conservatism.... so much greed, so much money, so little sense.


If not needing an ID to vote, then just do you prove you are a citizen of the United States and have the constitutional right to vote? Or have any of the other rights afforded by our constitution? Just show up and say so? Maybe I can walk into your bank, telling them I am you and make a withdrawal.

So, for a political party that prides themselves on allowing people to make there own choices.......you like the idea of not allowing people to choose what kinda of cat they drive?

Man...you really have drank all the anti-comservativism look-aid haven't you? If it wasn't for the free market....do you think we would have the iPhone? What would have been the reason Jobs wanted to develop it? For the people? Next your gonna tell me Musician only play for the betterment of society, is that why concert tickets cost as much as they do?
 
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I was adopted and do not have my origial or copy of my birth certificate. There are lots of people who have trouble meeting these tests designed to cull the electorate (prevent likely democatic voters from voting).
Show me the legally confirmed vote fraud that these schemes are allegedly designed to prevent.

My mom was adopted, so if you really wanted to find out you could.

So, do you have an ID now?

And there is a democratic voter fraud case going on right now in Troy, NY. There have also been a few accounts of write in votes from dead people, Micky Mouse, etc.

I am really surprised that you believe people that have no incentive to work or run a business or has to pay taxes have a better idea on who to vote for.
 

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If not needing an ID to vote, then just do you prove you are a citizen of the United States and have the constitutional right to vote? Or have any of the other rights afforded by our constitution? Just show up and say so? Maybe I can walk into your bank, telling them I am you and make a withdrawal.

So, for a political party that prides themselves on allowing people to make there own choices.......you like the idea of not allowing people to choose what kinda of cat they drive?

Man...you really have drank all the anti-comservativism look-aid haven't you? If it wasn't for the free market....do you think we would have the iPhone? What would have been the reason Jobs wanted to develop it? For the people? Next your gonna tell me Musician only play for the betterment of society, is that why concert tickets cost as much as they do?

Just a tip...don't drink and post :rolleyes:
 

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"The old insanity is the new sanity!"

uuummm...good one? Really guy, take a break, sober up and recollect yourself. Your posts, at best, are extremely narrow minded and pseudo elitist. Now, it seems even your spelling and grammar have decided to disassociate themselves from you. You can, of course, continue to keep digging deeper, which is actually more interesting in the same way a train wreck is, or check yourself. Have fun
 

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uuummm...good one? Really guy, take a break, sober up and recollect yourself. Your posts, at best, are extremely narrow minded and pseudo elitist. Now, it seems even your spelling and grammar have decided to disassociate themselves from you. You can, of course, continue to keep digging deeper, which is actually more interesting in the same way a train wreck is, or check yourself. Have fun

And the pseudo-intellectualism that goes on here is amazing.

But I am glad the grammar and spelling police is here.
 

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Sleeper cell--last posts circa 2005--suddenly activated!

Faux bad grammar and hard line "what, doesn't everyone think this way?" motif in full bloom. It's getting old.
 

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I was adopted and do not have my origial or copy of my birth certificate. There are lots of people who have trouble meeting these tests designed to cull the electorate (prevent likely democatic voters from voting).
Show me the legally confirmed vote fraud that these schemes are allegedly designed to prevent.

I feel ya. I have a mimiograph of a folded carbon copy of my citizenship. :eek:

The biggest voter fraud to date happened when dubya and his brother had their little Coup d'état.

Now their worried about a few liberals that forgot their wallets when they ride their bikes to the polls.
 

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Sleeper cell--last posts circa 2005--suddenly activated!

Faux bad grammar and hard line "what, doesn't everyone think this way?" motif in full bloom. It's getting old.

Thanks for cheking on my personal profile, again I am glad you are here.



Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Someone comes in with a different point of view and the get beat down until they submit to the general board's way of thinking. Even though someone wants to debate the topic, if you don't like the argument, you call them names.
 
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Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Someone comes in with a different point of view and the get beat down until they submit to the general board's way of thinking. Even though someone wants to debate the topic, if you don't like the argument, you call them names.

remind US all again which post shows your point of view as to why one side of the isle suddenly decided we needed an ID to vote?

So if voting is a right and gun ownership is a right, would everybody by ok with not needing an ID for owning a gun?


So you only want to pick and choose the "rights" that you like?

And I like how you referenced a progressive/anarchist and a communist assassins.


I thought you said having ID or requiring ID was unconstitutional?

So your statement negates itself. If you require a gun owner to have ID but not to vote, why would he be denied the right to vote for not having ID, because he or she is carrying a gun ownership ID?

Really makes you wonder why one side support not needing one an ID to vote or having to defend the need for an ID to vote, when countries to the south of ours require them for not only voting, but opening a checking account, getting on a plane, etc. Even the most rural citizens have ID, according to the article.

Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture

And if you don't have a physical address in the United States would you need an ID? Or better yet need to vote in elections?

And yet you were able to drive yourself from your remote location and vote, get groceries, etc. It was your choice to live out there, you deal with the effects it has on your life.

And as far as homeless.....I see no reason for them not to vote. But if they are homeless as you say, how can they be informed to make a intelligent choice on who to vote for? Or are you counting on the "volunteers" to inform them just who to vote for? "Vote early and vote often!!!"

Fascism? Who is the head of Obama's economics advisory board? What company did the government recent ballout and is now buying their fleet vehicles from to boost their sales numbers? Oh ya GE also now requires all their sales positions to drive a Volt, with a few exceptions.

Liberalism.....ideas so great they mandatory!

If not needing an ID to vote, then just do you prove you are a citizen of the United States and have the constitutional right to vote? Or have any of the other rights afforded by our constitution? Just show up and say so? Maybe I can walk into your bank, telling them I am you and make a withdrawal.

So, for a political party that prides themselves on allowing people to make there own choices.......you like the idea of not allowing people to choose what kinda of cat they drive?

Man...you really have drank all the anti-comservativism look-aid haven't you? If it wasn't for the free market....do you think we would have the iPhone? What would have been the reason Jobs wanted to develop it? For the people? Next your gonna tell me Musician only play for the betterment of society, is that why concert tickets cost as much as they do?

My mom was adopted, so if you really wanted to find out you could.

So, do you have an ID now?

And there is a democratic voter fraud case going on right now in Troy, NY. There have also been a few accounts of write in votes from dead people, Micky Mouse, etc.

I am really surprised that you believe people that have no incentive to work or run a business or has to pay taxes have a better idea on who to vote for.

"The old insanity is the new sanity!"

And the pseudo-intellectualism that goes on here is amazing.

But I am glad the grammar and spelling police is here.
 

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Really makes you wonder why one side support not needing one an ID to vote or having to defend the need for an ID to vote, when countries to the south of ours require them for not only voting, but opening a checking account, getting on a plane, etc. Even the most rural citizens have ID, according to the article.

Mexico's national voter IDs part of culture



Where in the US can you open a checking account or get on a plane without an ID?
 

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Thanks for cheking on my personal profile, again I am glad you are here.



Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Someone comes in with a different point of view and the get beat down until they submit to the general board's way of thinking. Even though someone wants to debate the topic, if you don't like the argument, you call them names.

I'd be interested to hear about how this situation in any way evokes a "pot/kettle" scenario. And in regards to point of view: an open field reveals the snake in the grass. Slither away, if you're so inclined...
 

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hey cool! even less discussion and more baseless analogies!

Where in the US can you open a checking account or get on a plane without an ID?
you mean unless your a member of the 1%? no ID needed to fly or bank for the uberprivileged.....

how does casting a vote cause a plane to crash into a building?
how does casting a vote set you up to commit larceny?
 
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The constitution says you have the right to vote if you are a citizen of the United States. Just how do you prove that you are a citizen or who you are without some sort of ID?
 

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Democrats want the disenfranchised to vote because it's in the party's best interest. Republicans don't because it isn't.

Motives aside, I think the difference is significant.

No, it's certainly a significant issue. I didn't mean to equalize the two positions or anything. It's just one of those issues where I'm dismayed that we're not looking at the issues involved -- the disproportionate effect to less-educated/non-English populations vs. the potential for abuse -- and making a reasoned decision. Instead, politicians (even local ones) seem ridiculously absolutist about this issue, and it breaks nearly down party lines.

The constitution says you have the right to vote if you are a citizen of the United States. Just how do you prove that you are a citizen or who you are without some sort of ID?

You pretty much universally have to provide an SSN or state ID number when you register to vote. They check for citizenship then (in theory.) From then on, the idea of ID when voting is to match you with your voter registration, so you don't have to prove citizenship every time. As long as the process is secure, I see no problem with it being two-step.
 

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Yes, the proving process takes place at registration. The id (driver's license) is proof that you're the person signing the registry. The move to require this in more states has been undertaken by the Republican party because of who will be most adversely affected by it. It is similar to other voter schemes that were drawn up in the South to disenfranchise black voters, similar in that people in certain economic strata would have greater difficulty meeting the requirements.

However, contrary to certain assumptions made above about the so-called "disenfranchised", this does not mean they are not able to make a logical decision between political choices, nor shouldn't be afforded the right and opportunity to make one.

Fact is, if there is anything that the Republican primaries have proven it's that having one's proper papers and an id does not make one intellectually superior or more adept at discerning fact from PURE bullshit.

As I said earlier, the efforts of conservatives to eliminate voters from the registry should only serve as greater impetus to get out there and register, obtain whatever necessary documentation, show up at the polls in hordes, and vote the fuckers into oblivion.