The Revolt Against Obama: Convergence from the Left and Right

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    Listen my children, and you shall hear of the age when Americans lose their complacency, and revolt.

    In that revolt, they recant, and begin to repent their participation in that tragic November evening, when they abandoned reason, choosing the crowd dynamics that before that evening, had been exclusively third world:


    There is something odd -- and dare I say novel -- in American politics about the crowds that have been greeting Barack Obama on his campaign trail. Hitherto, crowds have not been a prominent feature of American politics. We associate them with the temper of Third World societies. We think of places like Argentina and Egypt and Iran, of multitudes brought together by their zeal for a Peron or a Nasser or a Khomeini. In these kinds of societies, the crowd comes forth to affirm its faith in a redeemer: a man who would set the world right.

    As the late Nobel laureate Elias Canetti observes in his great book, "Crowds and Power" (first published in 1960), the crowd is based on an illusion of equality: Its quest is for that moment when "distinctions are thrown off and all become equal. It is for the sake of this blessed moment, when no one is greater or better than another, that people become a crowd." These crowds, in the tens of thousands, who have been turning out for the Democratic standard-bearer in St. Louis and Denver and Portland, are a measure of American distress.

    Obama and the Politics of Crowds - WSJ.com

    Now, reality is sinking in.

    The portent of unprecedented, and unfettered federal spending's horrific consequences is spurring the revolt.

    The first set of Americans to issue the rallying call, looked back to the formation of the nation, and took their name from one of that age's most inspired occurrences -- The Boston Tea Party. Soon tea parties were to found throughout the land.

    Next the political right responded, and the Republican resurgence was underway, first with Republican victories in a couple of Atlantic seaboard States, and now solidified by the GOP victory in leftist Massachusetts:


    Capturing the Senate seat held by Edward Kennedy for nearly 47 years, in one of the more solidly Democratic states in the country, is an almost epic feat that seemed to stun even Scott Brown himself.

    In Liberal Massachusetts, An Epic GOP Victory : NPR

    Now even the left is in open revolt.

    I received this interesting e-mail while I was at the gym this morning, from democrats.com:

    instead of cutting massively wasteful military spending, President Obama and Democratic "leaders" are pushing a record $708 billion Pentagon budget, including $160 billion for the never-ending wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    If you think Democratic "leaders" should spend our tax dollars on healthcare not warfare, there's an exciting new grassroots movement you can join: the Brownbaggers!


    From their website, this (among others) is their stated agenda:

    Unemployment is "officially" 10%, really much higher. Americans need jobs, so if businesses can't create them fast enough, government must step in with New Deal 2.0.

    In January, the rightwing Supreme Court let corporations - even foreign-owned corporations - elect all our politicians, from Mayor to President.

    The BrownBag Movement

    Especially troubling to the Brownbaggers is the massive acceleration in defense spending.

    While the figures in real dollar terms are much larger than in times past, as a percentage of the nation's GNP they are somewhat in line with past spending. However, serious arguments could be made about the viability of such spending, given the precarious prospects for the American economy that is the consequence of the Obama economic and fiscal policies.


    see the discussions at: A Disciplined Defense | Foreign Affairs

    military spending takes up less of GDP today than it did during the Cold War -- 4.2 percent today compared with 5.8 percent in 1988 and 9.4 percent in 1968. But when pressed, one would have to concede that Washington spends so much and yet feels so insecure because U.S. policymakers have lost the ability to think clearly about defense policy.

    and at the brownbaggers' site: http://www.comw.org/pda/fulltext/1001PDABR20.pdf


    The issue common to these disparate groups, of course, is Obanomics.

    As discourse proceeds, of course, other issues will come under examination. (Hopefully, this will include the elucidation of the American character, the delineation of a tenable defense policy, and a re-examination of our involvement with nations like the PRC)

    The possibilities this suggests for the future of the Republic are intriguing.

    Foremost among them are that Americans may in fact reverse the slide into Obama's corporate fascist vision.

    Huzzah!
     
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    Ok, first of all, "Third World" is an outdated term. These statistics will show you why.

    Hans Rosling shows the best stats you've ever seen | Video on TED.com

    And I enjoy how you talk about crowds coming out for Obama because America is "distressed" but whitewashing the reason why...Bush II.

    The "portent" of unfettered spending? Do you have any idea how much money Bush spent? How much money his tax cut for the rich is costing us? How much the Medicare drug benefit will cost?

    No, there is not an acceleration in defense spending. Obama's administration has put the cost of war in the yearly budget, instead of asking for emergency approval for billions more.

    Obama's corporate fascist vision? Surely, you must be joking. Though I wish the administration had been alot tougher.
     
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    There's a BIG difference between the criticism that comes from "the Left", and the bigoted paranoia, institutionalized racism and ignorance that comes from "the Right"... even if both focus on Obama. Take a wild guess where the OP lies?

    Nothing to see here... just a lonely, closeted son of a b**** looking for another Obamaphobe to suck off. :rolleyes:
     
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    Again, VB, anyone who claims to be 100% gay cannot be as stupid as Nick of the Sixes. As his original post clearly illustrates, he's not only stupid but a potential letter bomb writer if he doesn't get the right cha cha shoes next Xmas.

    Anyone living within a mile of his trailer would do well to be completely out of the tornado alley he lives in next December 25th.
     
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    "Nice girls don't wear cha cha heels!" - Mr. Davenport

    "Please, Dawn! Not on Christmas!" - Mrs. Davenport

    "I hate you, fuck you! Fuck you both, you awful people! You're not my parents! I hate you, I hate this house, and I . . . hate . . . Christmas!!!" - Dawn Davenport


    (Maybe he thinks 'gay' means happy. That's what it says in his thesaurus.)
     
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    Excellent summation and well written OP.

    Indeed, the walls are closing in on the POTUS.
     
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    Ooooooooooh.... Nicky has a friend. LOL!!
     
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    Someone has taken a drug or gotten a lobotomy and has ceased to recollect just how bad things were with the Bush Cheney dictatorship.

    Nikk must feel strongly about this, since his usual run of the mill postings are bad one liners and vague but untrue statements.
     
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    I don't get how people can accuse Obama of socialism and corporate fascism at the same time. They should probably get their head checked because they probably have a giant tumor keeping them from thinking
     
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    One additional point about jobs: why do corporations keep exporting jobs overseas? If the country --this country-- keeps sending jobs overseas there is no way the USA is going to get a speedy recovery. Its like the temporary employee. Companies have been doing "temp" work now for 20 years simply because it is cheaper. Though along the way, pensions get lost.
     
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    You and reality in the same sentence is oxymoronic. Or simply moronic.
     
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    Now HERE'S a Nick with brains...
    And a nice butt, but that's a different story. :biggrin1:
     
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    Third World Presidency = Non-White guy in the Oval Office. That's about as far as our neighborhood bigot is able to reason. Close the closet door Nick.
     
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    Well said. It really gets me when people call Obama Socialist. We get very little political education in the UK, but our commentators generally know the political spectrum. Then again, i'd rather have alittle bit of ideological confusion to the general racist remarks some of ours spout.
     
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    How do you suggest we stop that? Look at what happened to GM and Chrysler...they kept tens of thousands of jobs here, and effectively became worthless. They couldn't compete with foreign autos becuase their labor costs were so much higher.

    Do you suggest restricting the ability of a company to have locations outside the U.S.? Then what? They go out of business and nobody has a job.


    Because the outrageous cost of benefits makes it impossible for employers to afford full time employees.

    BTW, pensions are dinosaurs. In ten years the won't even exist except for government employers.
     
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    That's because the products they made were not on par with the competition. With oil prices skyrocketing, it became apparent that the public needed automobiles that either provided better gas mileage or ran on alternative sources. Instead of preparing for a changing market, they whined and bitched about how things were changing... and were not willing to keep up with evolving demand and technologies.

    You're supposed to be all for Capitalism, right? How come the evil, "blind liberal Socialist" knew this and you didn't... or are acting as if you didn't know?

    No... the labor overseas was cheaper and they thought they could get the same quality for less. It was a lot cheaper to pay someone in Baht or Yen than it was in regular US dollars.

    Perhaps "restriction" isn't the word here, but incentive to keep the jobs in their own native country? No corporation that provides a service or product goes out of business unless they provide one that the consumer doesn't want. It's up to them to keep up, or step aside so that others can fill in the void.

    Bullshit to the Nth degree. Although it doesn't surprise anyone that you'd want to blame it on the co-workers trying to make $50K a year, instead of the CEOs who cut the corners, alter the books, and penny pinch just so they can maintain their lavish lifestyles and award themselves million dollar bonuses. What was that buzzword you made up during the real estate & credit fiascos? "Predatory Borrowing"? LOL... yeah, too many people "begging for money" caused the financial collapse of our nation.

    Don't bring your ideologies to a battle where the numerical data doesn't support it.
     
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    American automakers lost the sales battle because of years of selling low quality product. Quality is a result of good design and manufacturing systems, It has little to do with the number of labour hours spent assembling the goods.

    The prices of American cars are competitive. A few hundred bucks one way or the other doesn't influence buying decisions. I've bought enough new cars to know that.

    Labor costs in Germany and Japan are not low. But they have better design, more efficient assembly procedures and better marketing.

    I don't think you should blame the American worker or their wages. The BMWs and Toyotas they build in Alabama or wherever, are nearly indistinguishable from those built in Osaka and that's because of design and engineering.

    Weak kneed labour contracts and shit design are what sunk GM. Ford has the same labour problems (crazy pensions), but their designs and engineering is much better. (I think they have more Germans working for them.)
     
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    Where to start?
    WSJ.com is just a part of Rupert Murdoch's conservative machine

    The supposed leftist revolt is not a true indictment of Obama. It has nothing really in common with the lunatics on the right. They may have some different views about government spending but they are still diametrically opposed to the teabaggers.

    The more the OP rants the clearer his myopic views become. He was silent when Bush helped to create the economic disaster but when Obama spends money(which is included in the budget)he goes ballistic.

    Oh, one more point. The OP isn't fooling anyone by using the term "third world". That is simply code for ethnic or non white.

    I have to add something else. The OP also hopes to see an elucidation of the American character. I have to ask what is there to clarify, or to cast light on? Who would define what makes a real American? Does the OP think that he, and those just like him, are the real Americans? The OP might want to rethink this desire because it could serve to illustrate the racism that is still present in America. No matter how some refuse to believe it, racism is still a problem. It has been for centuries.
     
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    When people around the world were looking for fuel efficient vehicles they looked everywhere except America. Why? Because U.S. automakers ignored what was going on around them and instead produced large gas guzzlers such as SUVs. We made a product no one wanted.
     
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