The Revolt Against Obama: Convergence from the Left and Right

[392847]

The last two posts from the women from Sweden has boosted the IQ level on this forum by at least 100 points.

I do feel a bit more enlightened for some reason...

 

[kit_kat]

Unbelievable. We come out of 8 years on perpetual fuck ups with constant reminders and holdovers of said fuck ups and expect the next guy to fix everything as good as new over night? If there truly is a revolt against this President this country deserves exactly what it gets, and that will be to go straight down the shitter. I'm done.

I agree with you on that one! Unfortunately some of these "revolters" don't really care what's good for the average person in the country, they really just want Obama to fail. Their strategy is to try to make sure they as individuals are set economically for the next three years and then they cry "socialism" about everything that they have personally shielded themselves against but which others may need help with, this is so that in a few years time they can say Obama didn't do anything, when in fact it is they who stood in the way. Good luck when you can't afford to go to the doctor and you can't afford to send your kids to college - oh wait, many Americans are already in this situation, but they have been so brain-washed by health insurance stake-holders and others with motives that don't actually benefit Americans that they would rather suffer than have "big government". I like capitalism and I don't have a problem with big corporations. I think some smaller companies could become bigger companies if they didn't have to bear the largest share of employee health care costs and if they had access to a highly educated work force of people who could easily afford to go to college to train and/or re-train themselves on their own dime. To me it looks like this is what the revolters are protesting against. America should try to follow the European models with regards to education and health care because the current American system doesn't work for people who are not rich, and most Americans are not rich at least by American standards.

 

[maxcok]

I like her :biggrin1:

I'll second that! :smile:

Third, and motion carries.

Once again, leave it to Europeans and expatriots to have a better grasp of American politics and society by far than the vast majority of our own fat, lazy, ignorant, dumbed-down citizenry - and the further Right those citizens are, the more that holds true.

The last two posts from the women from Sweden has boosted the IQ level on this forum by at least 100 points.

Ditto. Gee, wonder how all that 'Socialism' is working out for them?

 

[ZOS23xy]

On cars: when I was inclined to buy American, I bought a Ford Escort. Got good mileage, but...it dented easily. The door handle broke on one side. It had a massive electrical failure. The seats tore easily. The starter shorted.

Got some insights from the way banks work cars: five year loans. For American cars, that is how long they will last, and no longer.

Got a Nissan. Gets good mileage. The car's name is Liam.

 

[maxcok]

. . . Got a Nissan. Gets good mileage. The car's name is Liam.

I've always loved Nissan, always said they were superior even to Toyota, though Toyota had better rep. Recent developments would seem to confirm that.

But I am fftopic:

 

[deleted15807]

Once again, leave it to Europeans and expatriots to have a better grasp of American politics and society by far than the vast majority of our own fat, lazy, ignorant, dumbed-down citizenry - and the further Right those citizens are, the more that holds true.

And why is that? They don't have dumbed down news.

Watch how it's done.....

Video: Al Jazeera English | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

 

[B_Nick4444]

Third World Presidency = Non-White guy in the Oval Office. That's about as far as our neighborhood bigot is able to reason. Close the closet door Nick.

Oh, one more point. The OP isn't fooling anyone by using the term "third world". That is simply code for ethnic or non white.

Actually what I had in mind was that his election represented the consequence of an ongoing decline in American education that began with the baby boomers.

That the contempt and classism he displayed in his campaign toward Americans, and the American character is actually characteristic of third world despots, and Euros, not American leaders.

Compare: "So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

To:
While serving as America’s vice president, Thomas Jefferson, dressed in soiled working clothes, entered Baltimore’s finest hotel one evening and asked for a room. The proprietor, a certain Mr. Boyden, turned him away.
Soon thereafter Boyden, apprised of the identity of his distinguished visitor, promptly dispatched several servants to find him and offer as many rooms as his heart desired.
Jefferson, having found a room in another hotel, sent Boyden’s representative away with the following message: “Tell Boyden that I value his good intentions highly, but if he has no room for a dirty farmer, he shall have none for the vice president.”


Thomas Jefferson | The Speaking Tree

OR: [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Truman’s comments to the people as he leaves office at the end of the film, “My promotion is to be one of you,” [/FONT]

GIVE EM HELL, HARRY by Norman Markowitz

That his election was celebrated in Kenya and Indonesia, as the election of one of their own.

That once in office, he pursued policies that hitherto, had been exclusively found in the third world:

For 20 years, Americans have denounced the "crony capitalism" of Third World countries, especially in Asia. But, just as those regions have been improving their public and corporate governance — Hong Kong just witnessed a breakthrough court decision against a telecom tycoon who is the son of the province's richest and most powerful man — crony capitalism is taking root in the United States, a country that the world long considered the gold standard of a level playing field in business.

Crony capitalism has taken root in America | The Japan Times Online

The phenomenon known as "Regime Uncertainty", describing the risk that keeps investors from making investments in third world countries, previously only seen in this country under one of the founding architects of the emerging corporate fascist State, Roosevelt, had now, owing to Obama, made a reappearance. cf.: http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_01_4_higgs.pdf

cf.: http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_01_4_higgs.pdf

That his rhetoric has the intent and effect of legitimizing third world perspectives and values as being American: Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation – at least, not just. We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

Really? So we can now wage holy wars against each other, a la anywhere in the Middle East?

 

[B_Nick4444]

So.......
Is President Obama a socialist? NO - by no mean.
Is Nick a racist? Might be.... I hope not.

Dear US citizens... and Nick... it's not President Obama that needs your loyalty... it is USA that needs you to stop the subversive propaganda and get in the working clothes to save the country from a major decline started by 8 years of misuse of the Americans confidence.

I wish you all a happy day... may your god be with you.

Nick regards the epithet "racist" as bearing the same import and significance as the epithet "infidel"

If I felt what Obama was trying to do was good for the nation, he would have my support

 

[midlifebear]

Nick o' the Sixes is referring to himself in the 3rd person again.

 

[B_Nick4444]

I apologize, I have no interest in Europe, Asia, and Africa, (except as what they do or do not do might affect the USA), so I have no background knowledge in the Swedish health care system.

Nor is health care access one of my major issues.

Out of curiousity, I undertook some internet research, and found that Sweden's system is hardly a model for anyone to follow, in fact, could not find anyone urging it, but several in opposition.

"OK, Williams," you say, "Sweden is the world's socialist wonder." Sven R. Larson tells about some of Sweden's problems in "Lesson from Sweden's Universal Health System: Tales from the Health-care Crypt," published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (spring 2008). Mr. D., a Gothenburg multiple sclerosis patient, was prescribed a new drug. His doctor's request was denied because the drug was 33 percent more expensive than the older medicine. Mr. D. offered to pay for the medicine himself but was prevented from doing so. The bureaucrats said it would set a bad precedent and lead to unequal access to medicine.
Malmo, with its 280,000 residents, is Sweden's third-largest city. To see a physician, a patient must go to one of two local clinics before they can see a specialist. The clinics have security guards to keep patients from getting unruly as they wait hours to see a doctor. The guards also prevent new patients from entering the clinic when the waiting room is considered full. Uppsala, a city of 200,000 people, has only one mammography specialist. Sweden's National Cancer Foundation reports that in a few years most Swedish women will have no access to mammography.
Dr. Olle Stendahl, a professor of medicine at Linkoping University, pointed out a side effect of government-run medicine: its impact on innovation. He said, "In our budget-government health care there is no room for curious, young physicians and other professionals to challenge established views. New knowledge is not attractive but typically considered a problem [that brings] increased costs and disturbances in today's slimmed-down health care."



WILLIAMS: A look at Sweden's way - Washington Times

The foregoing was written with an (obviously) opinionated politically and economic conservative slant (I always start with critical pieces; for example, to get a good feel for 19th Century industrialism and its effects, read one that system's biggest critics, Karl Marx, to get a palpable, and complete picture)

I next found a piece devoted to the Swedish heath care system that was not intended to be pejorative by its authors, and it echoes the same difficulties:

see: Devolution in Swedish health care

for good measure, I reviewed what I could find about the other (other than the USA) pinnacle of human development, New Zealand, to see how they handled health care

New Zealand shares some of the patterns; primary care is primarily handled by governmental entities, as does Sweden

In both cases, access can be difficult to find, when needed, and in both cases, when private insurance, following the American model can be had, it is eagerly sought

see also: SWEDEN'S GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE Health care reform in Sweden, 1980-1994 - Google Books

 

[deleted15807]

What will happen to the poor Washington Times?? Will Rupert Murdoch swoop down from his lair and rescue them? Roll them into the wacko fold that is News Corporation?

Embattled Washington Times Cuts Staff



AP) The Washington Times slashed its staff by more than 40 percent and will eliminate its sports section and most local coverage in 2010, shifting its focus to politics, business and investigative reporting.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^off topic much?


And who cares who's bashing Obama? The last I checked, he's getting the job done a whole hell of a lot better than the last guy, and unfortunately, we had to take Obama or get stuck with that crackpot Palin in the White House. When 2012 rolls around, the Republicans are going to have to do the same thing they did in 2008 when McCain had to pick Palin; they're going to be forced to veer too far to the right to appease the 'purity tests' of their wingnut and corporate bases, and they're going to hand the election to Obama on a silver platter. Unless the Republicans finally get in touch with the electorate and moderate their platform greatly, Obama will win by even more than he did in '08, I guarantee it.

 

[B_jeepguy2]

^off topic much?


The last I checked, he's getting the job done a whole hell of a lot better than the last guy, .

Really?? How about all that "CHANGE" we voted for? Like getting the troops out of Iraq and Afganistan. Instead he has EXPANDED the war in Afganistan by sending in more troops, and has even started making attacks inside Pakistan. He is still spending BILLIONS continuing Mr. Bush's idiotic occupation of Iraq and soldiers are still dying there. He is also continuing Bush's saber rattling with Iran and that war of words is probably going to go hot any time now. He has also continued Bush's policy of bailing out big corporations that have been run into the ground by greedy, grossly overpaid CEOs. Oh yeah and how about all those fucking jobs he was going to create?

With the exception of the government takover of the healthcare system that Obama and his fellow socialists Reid, and Pelosi are trying to force on America you would almost think Bush was still in office!

 

[justasimpleguy]

"you would almost think Bush was still in office!"

I don't even know where to begin with that...

 

[JC8]

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Churchill

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Can we shoot the next person who uses the line, "Whatever happened to the CHANGE he promised"? I mean, really... talk about your whiny bitches?

Nobody but the unintelligent would vote for anyone based on a campaign slogan.

 

[B_Nick4444]

And who cares who's bashing Obama? The last I checked, he's getting the job done a whole hell of a lot better than the last guy, and unfortunately, we had to take Obama or get stuck with that crackpot Palin in the White House. When 2012 rolls around, the Republicans are going to have to do the same thing they did in 2008 when McCain had to pick Palin; they're going to be forced to veer too far to the right to appease the 'purity tests' of their wingnut and corporate bases, and they're going to hand the election to Obama on a silver platter. Unless the Republicans finally get in touch with the electorate and moderate their platform greatly, Obama will win by even more than he did in '08, I guarantee it.

One of the factors that fueled the resurgence of the Democrats in the 2006 midterms and particularly President Obama's 2008 campaign was the enthusiastic backing of the "Millennial" generation -- voters between 18 and 29. But a Pew Research Center study says that the Democrats' advantage over Republicans with this group has dramatically shrunk from a 32 point margin in 2008 to 14 points. (emphasis added)

Support for Obama and Democrats Slips Among 'Millennial' Generation -- Politics Daily

 

[B_talltpaguy]

Ah yes, and since one poll says so almost three years before the actual election, it must be the gospel!

It must be so wonderful to be a True Believer™. You just wish it, and it comes true!

 

[B_jeepguy2]

One of the factors that fueled the resurgence of the Democrats in the 2006 midterms and particularly President Obama's 2008 campaign was the enthusiastic backing of the "Millennial" generation -- voters between 18 and 29. But a Pew Research Center study says that the Democrats' advantage over Republicans with this group has dramatically shrunk from a 32 point margin in 2008 to 14 points. (emphasis added)

Support for Obama and Democrats Slips Among 'Millennial' Generation -- Politics Daily

No big surprise there. Most in that age group who have graduated college since Obama took office can't find a job doing anything other than waiting tables or flipping burgers at McDonalds. Many of the millenial generation who had good jobs have lost them in the recession...younger workers are always the first to get let go when companies have a layoff.

 

[maxcok]

"you would almost think Bush was still in office!"

I don't even know where to begin with that...

I think he means that Bush is a socialist.

"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill

I love Churchill. Here's another one:

"There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion."

Can we shoot the next person who uses the line, "Whatever happened to the CHANGE he promised"? I mean, really... talk about your whiny bitches?

Nobody but the unintelligent would vote for anyone based on a campaign slogan.

The way they buy soap? Sadly, you have just described a large portion of the American electorate.