The Revolt Against Obama: Convergence from the Left and Right

[392847]

I can't stand Nancy Pelosi. I actually do hate her.

I was always taught that hate is a strong word. You actually hate her, Star?? Like for real for real? I've never thought you were a bad person even though we disagree on certain things. That's the way of the world. But man...I hope you really didn't mean that. :frown1:

 

[deleted15807]

Who can ever forget dudinvestors thread........

Letterman joke about black man raping minor has him on the hot seat

When it was really a Latin man but they all look alike perhaps?

 

[maxcok]

Being raised in the South, I am particularly sensitive to race issues, and I am particularly sensitive to accusations of racism when none exists.

Hmm.

What the Hell. is that supposed to mean?!! I would really like an explanation.
And when you quote me, please refrain from editing out especially relevant parts of a sentence.

I don't like Obama.

I'd say there's a little more than simple dislike going on:

Every single thing that he promised with his evil, lying, misrepresentation of a campaign . . .

Step up and address the issue at hand - which is that the worst president in U.S. history is also the biggest liar in world history and is the most inept, unqualified politician in any country in the last 800 years.

The people 'in the know' are ensuring that the next three years are simply political stalemate so that this fucking IDIOT can't inflict any more damage on this country. #6

Why don't you look up "golliwog" in your "Mir.Webst"? Or just look in your picture gallery:

http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Obama.JPG
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[B_starinvestor]

I was always taught that hate is a strong word. You actually hate her, Star?? Like for real for real? I've never thought you were a bad person even though we disagree on certain things. That's the way of the world. But man...I hope you really didn't mean that. :frown1:

Well, I hate spinach too.:smile:

 

[B_starinvestor]

Why don't you look up "golliwog" in your "Mir.Webst"? Or just look in your picture gallery:

http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Obama.JPG
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That is a caricature, genius.

A golliwog looks more like a muppet, or puppet.

And Maxpot - put the fangs away. Jezuz.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I was at a republican campaign event for McCain when a popular radio personality was - in his introductory remarks - making some deragatory remarks about Obama, and McCain stepped to the podium and announced that he didn't appreciate that kind of message and that he was fond of Obama, etc.

I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. I'm just saying don't accuse me of being a racist, please.

From what I've seen McCain is the only one who has spoken against the racists. As I've said before if the John McCain who ran in 2008 was the same as the one who sought the nomination in 2000 then I most likely would have voted for him. The McCain that exists now is a sorry shadow of the man that was.

 

[deleted15807]

Ok Star, what do you have to say about the politicians who turn a blind eye to the racists at the tea party gatherings?

You won't get a good answer to this one because the Tea Party and the Republican Party while not being 'racist', if you happen to be racist they are the party for you. Things like 'immigration reform' and 'tough on crime' and 'welfare reform' are all thinly veiled code words for 'them' and not 'us'.

Seeking Willie Horton

 

[maxcok]

That is a caricature, genius.

A golliwog looks more like a muppet, or puppet.

And Maxpot - put the fangs away. Jezuz.

gol·li·wog
1 : a grotesque black doll
2 : a person resembling a golliwog

From "Mir.Webst", genius.

Why don't you use this as your avatar? As I said before, it's about as attractive and more honest:

http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Obama.JPG

Got anything to say about the rest of my post? Naw, didn't think so.
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[B_talltpaguy]

Please indicate where I have demonstrated that I am a bigot.

Until then, shut your fucking trap.

Deciding whether you're a bigot or not is a perception thing from everyone else's point of view. I know, you can't possibly hope to understand someone else's point of view, because that requires a certain emotional sophistication that you fundamentally lack, but perhaps by studying the definition of the word 'bigot', you'll develop a rudimentary understanding of how your words and actions would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you are indeed a bigot.

A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigot

 

[Pitbull]

I'm glad your opinion of me hasn't changed because you are not someone I strive to impress.

Great! You have succeeded at something.

I would so enjoy seeing what it is that you believe constitutes racism.
I doubt that you would
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It may come as a shock to you but not all racists know or believe that they are racist.
I'm not easily shocked.

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As I also stated before,a white male can't understand what it is like to be black. If Obama were a blond haired, blue eyed guy from Hawaii would the opposition have been screaming for his certificate? Unless, and until, you can soend a day in my skin please refrain from trying to tell me about institutional racism.

So a white person cannot totally understand the black experience.
Well an attractive person cannot understand what it is like to be ugly.

You see a society made up of black Americans and white Americans that cannot understand each other and are often resentful.

That is not my world.
That is not my view.

I look at people.
Some are black.
Some are white.
But what color they are is irrelevant.
I try to look at the person and not make a judgment based on skin color.

You may now call me a liar.
Because it is very difficult for you to comprehend that people live their lives without being guided by racial considerations.
Without judging someone based on skin color
Possibly impossible for you to accept if that person is white and does not agree with you politically.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Deciding whether you're a bigot or not is a perception thing from everyone else's point of view.

True.

I know, you can't possibly hope to understand someone else's point of view, because that requires a certain emotional sophistication that you fundamentally lack,

K.

but perhaps by studying the definition of the word 'bigot', you'll develop a rudimentary understanding of how your words and actions would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you are indeed a bigot.

Good stuff.

 

[StormfrontFL]

So a white person cannot totally understand the black experience.
Well an attractive person cannot understand what it is like to be ugly.

You see a society made up of black Americans and white Americans that cannot understand each other and are often resentful.

That is not my world.
That is not my view.

I look at people.
Some are black.
Some are white.
But what color they are is irrelevant.
I try to look at the person and not make a judgment based on skin color.

You may now call me a liar.
Because it is very difficult for you to comprehend that people live their lives without being guided by racial considerations.
Without judging someone based on skin color
Possibly impossible for you to accept if that person is white and does not agree with you politically.

Welcome to the world in which we live. It would be nice if we could truly look beyond color but unfortunately this is not the way it is. I am a multiracial person. I was raised to look beyond race. I still do this. If you are as enlightened as you claim to be you would see the hate filled signs and ugly remarks made by some of the protesters for what it is. Your attempts to dismiss or excuse those comments are what give the impression that you agree with them. As for your belief that I can't disagree with someone politically without race being a factor all I can say is that you are way off base. In high school I was the only Democrat in a class full of Republicans and we had many political debates. Not once did I feel that my classmates were against me because of race. Many of my friends have a different political philosophy but they somehow manage to argue their points without using racially divisive buzzwords and phrases.
You might think you understand what a black person goes through but until you actually have to live it you can't really fathom our lives just as I can't really know what it's like to be a white guy. Can you honestly say that you can feel 100% of the pain I felt when I was 12 and I was called the N word for the first time by high school students just driving past my school? I've watched "Roots" and I can feel the pain of slavery and feel that I understand what it must have been like. But if there was still someone living that had been a slave I couldn't go to them and pretend to know exactly what it felt like to be them.
As for your comment that I see two Americas and both sides view the other with resentment, again you are off base. The Republican Party has long attempted to make Americans see the country this way. They use fear and hatred in order to stir up their base. Remember Willie Horton? Remember the outrage regarding gay marriage? The Republicans have presented themselves as the Party of "Us-vs-Them". I do see two types of Americans though. One believes that we can be better than we are and get frustrated that we allow the old ways to disrupt progress(some Rep. in this group too) and the other type believes that change is bad, power is good, and anything that levels the field must be stopped.

 

[maxcok]

Well, I hate spinach too.:smile:

Probably explains why you're such a weakling.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Pretending to be "color blind" is not the way to be perceived as someone who isn't racist. Many things are based on socially accepted norms which have been inadvertently taught to us by parents, teachers and society. Those things affect your judgement before you even open your mouth, regardless of how many Black, Latino or other minority friends you roll with. It can be indirect, such as saying all students must not wear anything on their heads in class (since that could result in discrimination against students whose religion requires the wearing of headwear). It can also be institutional, reflecting the cultural assumptions of a dominant group so that the practices of that group are seen as the norm to which other cultural practices should conform. Neither one of these things require the use of a derogatory word or slur in order to have the same effect. Sadly, a number of people on this board try so hard to disguise such retort with "respectable looking language" in the hopes that nobody notices. In some ways, that's more offensive than the dirty language.

Ever thought that welfare recipients should be forced to take a nationwide drug test? Ever thought a literacy test should be required in order to vote? How about suggesting each family needs at least three generations of people in our country before they can vote? Ever thought we should be able to torture a foreign criminal who commits a crime on our soil? Make constant references to our "Founding Fathers" who didn't even take into consideration the rights of people who were different from themselves? Yes... these are ALL forms of discrimination & racism whether you want to accept it or not.

 

[B_starinvestor]

I do not like murderers. Since most murders in the U.S. are committed by blacks; does this then make me a racist?

I do not like serial killers. Since most serial killers are white; does this then make me a self-loathing caucasion?

Using the same line of reasoning - Storm, Vinyl, Crackpot and TallPaGut are racist against white people because they continually demonize George Bush and Dick Cheney who are caucasion. Let me ask you four - Would you continually bitch about Cheney and Bush if they were black?

It is, of course, fitting that the continued playing of the race card over the last few pages of this thread of done exactly that which the race card is designed to do: create a distraction from the issue at hand.

It has served its purpose well in deflecting the subject away from the topic at hand, which is, well, see the OP.

The race card was first made popular in the O.J. Simpson trial - as it was said that J. Cochran played the race card - and he dealt it from the bottom of the deck.

Such a significant amount of the defense was devoted to Mark Fuhrman's being a racist. The fact is - whether or not Mark Fuhrman was a racist has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not O.J. Simpson murdered those two innocent people.

But it served its purpose - the race card was indeed the mightiest trump card the justice system had seen - and in the most public of trials.

Perhaps a case should be made that this is a phenomena that is justified insomuch as the many injustices that have been brought to bear on blacks since the beginnings of our nation; many of which still exist today.

Either way, it is a strategy, or a claim, that is used entirely too often in this forum. And it is beyond tiresome, and beyond worn-out here.

I am not in any way suggesting racism isn't a serious issue in real life. However, for some political discussion in a subforum of a progressive website....uh, let's put it to rest.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I do not like murderers. Since most murders in the U.S. are committed by blacks; does this then make me a racist?It would make you a racist if you assumed that ALL blacks are murderers because some are.

I do not like serial killers. Since most serial killers are white; does this then make me a self-loathing caucasion?read the above

Using the same line of reasoning - Storm, Vinyl, Crackpot and TallPaGut are racist against white people because they continually demonize George Bush and Dick Cheney who are caucasion. Let me ask you four - Would you continually bitch about Cheney and Bush if they were black?Oh HELL YES. Up to this point the only Presidents we've ever had were white so your argument has no merit. We had a black man run for mayor in Miami and he was IMO the worst politician. I took it as my civic responsibility to make sure that my community was well informed and didn't use race as a factor in voting.

It is, of course, fitting that the continued playing of the race card over the last few pages of this thread of done exactly that which the race card is designed to do: create a distraction from the issue at hand.Isn't distraction your favorite tactic? However this does have to do with the topic of the thread.

It has served its purpose well in deflecting the subject away from the topic at hand, which is, well, see the OP.

The race card was first made popular in the O.J. Simpson trial - as it was said that J. Cochran played the race card - and he dealt it from the bottom of the deck.

Such a significant amount of the defense was devoted to Mark Fuhrman's being a racist. The fact is - whether or not Mark Fuhrman was a racist has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not O.J. Simpson murdered those two innocent people.Fuhrman's views since he was the chief investigator were indeed relevant. Because of the history involved between African Americans and the police it could, and did, factor into the jury's deliberation. Cochran did what a good defense attorney needs to do, create reasonable doubt.

But it served its purpose - the race card was indeed the mightiest trump card the justice system had seen - and in the most public of trials.

Perhaps a case should be made that this is a phenomena that is justified insomuch as the many injustices that have been brought to bear on blacks since the beginnings of our nation; many of which still exist today.

Either way, it is a strategy, or a claim, that is used entirely too often in this forum. And it is beyond tiresome, and beyond worn-out here.

I am not in any way suggesting racism isn't a serious issue in real life. However, for some political discussion in a subforum of a progressive website....uh, let's put it to rest.

It will be "put to rest" when the buzzwords and innuendo stop. It will be "put to rest" when you and your supporters(Pit, Trinsanity, and Nick of the Sixes)finally admit that there are people within the tea party movement because of racism. It will be "put to rest" when you stop trying to excuse or disavow the racism that is a big part of the political protest.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I do not like murderers. Since most murders in the U.S. are committed by blacks; does this then make me a racist? I do not like serial killers. Since most serial killers are white; does this then make me a self-loathing caucasion?

You took a perfectly fine statement and injected race into the equation. The question I'd pose to you is... why?

Are you trying to open up a discussion about ways to cut down violent crime (which can be done without bringing a racial component to the discussion), or are you desperately trying to pigeonhole the issue so that you can defend your own biased opinions about murderers? Knowing how touchy most discussions are surrounding race, it's safe to say that the only reason why people even make it a factor is to spark controversy and pull on the emotional strings of others.

Plus... serial killers are also murderers.

Using the same line of reasoning - Storm, Vinyl, Crackpot and TallPaGut are racist against white people because they continually demonize George Bush and Dick Cheney who are caucasion.

Bzzzzzzt. I'm sorry... you don't make it to the bonus round.
First off, my actions are nowhere as volatile as yours. I did not create hundreds of threads expressing utter contempt, anger and disdain towards Bush & Cheney even if I don't like them and think they are liars. Secondly, whenever I brought up Bush and/or Cheney, I provide my reasons which treat them as individuals first... not as white people.

Let me ask you four - Would you continually bitch about Cheney and Bush if they were black?

I don't "continually bitch" about any politician, unlike you with Obama & Pelosi (to name a few). The problem is, you think all liberals do this and since I tend to have liberal view points you instantly assume that I "continually bitch" about Cheney & Bush. Congratulations, starinvestor... you've just demonstrated bigotry. Never say that you're not a bigot again, OK?

Now to answer your question... their skin color is not playing any significant factor because I'm viewing them as Politicians. To me, they are that first before they are white. Also, considering that I've been openly vocal against actions made by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton who suggested that Obama wasn't a "real Black man" back in 2008, and also criticized Obama openly on this board on issues regarding taking initiative and DADT, as well as openly criticize people like Michael Steele & Condoleeza Rice, to make a statement suggesting that I would be somehow lapsed about Bush & Cheney if they were black is ridiculous.

It is, of course, fitting that the continued playing of the race card over the last few pages of this thread of done exactly that which the race card is designed to do: create a distraction from the issue at hand.

Talking about "race" is not a distraction, especially if it's a underlaying component that fuels the discussion.

The race card was first made popular in the O.J. Simpson trial - as it was said that J. Cochran played the race card - and he dealt it from the bottom of the deck... and so forth, and so forth.

If you want to look at a deflection, look no further than the nonsense you just typed. Seriously, this ridiculous rant about "race cards" is an insult to everyone's intelligence. Whereas some of the revolting against Obama is definitely due to race (as you can see with some of the videos I liked earlier in a previous post), the OJ Simpson trial has NO RELEVANCE to the OP. When I can see pictures & video of people referencing the N-Word, or a call to violence, when referring to Obama in rallies & public forums, to suggest that racism isn't a factor is ignoring the glaringly obvious.

Besides, if you want to talk about our Nation's first "race card", look no further than the original drafting of the Constitution. That is, unless, you can find a provision in the original documents that honored equal rights to women & minorities.

Awaiting you to take that statement out of context and form another irrelevant, moralistic argument.

I am not in any way suggesting racism isn't a serious issue in real life.

And politics is not part of "real life"?

However, for some political discussion in a subforum of a progressive website....uh, let's put it to rest.

It'll never be put to rest because people like you will make another stupid comment, or start another thread, that unnecessarily injects race into the picture. Just like when you asked who was the "biggest disappointment of 2009" and only gave two black people as the choices. Stop being such a damn hypocrite.