The risk of fascism in America

[ColoradoGuy]

If you can't bring yourself to criticize the current administration, I have no respect for you.

I'm sorry, but if you can't bring yourself to understand that most people can and do think for themselves and many have consciously chosen to support the current administration, then I feel pity for you. You appear to undermine the core principle that so-called tea party supporters are supposed to believe in: that government is for, by, and of the people. Not some of the people, all of the people. By not respecting dissenting thought or those that voice it, you have become the very thing you claim to despise.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

If you can't bring yourself to criticize the current administration, I have no respect for you.

Everyone you have grievance with on this board, in the very "short time" you've been here, have all given criticism to the current administration at one time or another. There isn't anyone here who thinks Obama, Pelosi or anyone currently in the White House & Congress is perfect. The problem is, you want them to complain about the same things you find to be an issue and they won't.

Comparing Bush to Obama based on a few policies that they may share similar mindsets is ridiculous. I'd expect a centrist president to pander or consider implementing policies from both sides of the political spectrum. And that's exactly what Obama is doing. However, under no circumstances was George W. Bush anywhere close to being a liberal. George W. Bush on the Issues

 

[B_Nick4444]

Fascism was defined by Mussolini as the melding of corporations with government. That would have to be the most accurate assessment I've heard.

which is exactly the rudimentary structure implemented by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. and which Obama is trying to finalize

by the way, another element of fascism is a governmental delineation of racial attitudes; under the current permutation, the attitude attempted to be imposed is the set of attitudes that enables globalism

ergo, the multicultural nonsense Americans are being indoctrinated into, the dissolution of American values, culture, and character, and the objectively indefensible notion that all peoples and cultures are "equal"

 

[deleted15807]

George Bush was not a real conservative.

Now how many times have I heard that since the collapse of his presidency? The real issue is 'real conservatism' is not enough to win an election. People want 'big government' but they want it for free. Free wars. Free jobs. Cheap gas. All for free.

 

[TomCat84]

You're all missing the point. Both parties are put in place to divide the people. We need to be uniting under the constitution.

George Bush was not a real conservative. He was in fact very liberal. Military expansionist policies are in fact liberal and so is No Child Left Behind and Medicare and Medicaid. They're all spending of some sort that is a redistribution of wealth.

Now we have Obama who got elected as a liberal, enacting the same policies Bush did and he is in fact going even further. Where is your criticism of him?

If you can't bring yourself to criticize the current administration, I have no respect for you.

Military expansionist policies are liberal? So, what you're saying is that the last legit US expansion of territory came in 1803 with the Louisiana Purchase? Does that mean we have to give the Western US back to Mexico? And Puerto Rico back to Spain?

 

[chemical921]

ive been looking up alot on the illuminati and its very interesting we are probably all screwed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

 

[tripod]

The Illuminati is a ruse, it doesn't exist. Iluminati means "enlightened" and was a way to counter the Rosicrucian movement by labling the enlightened people as the "problem" while simultaneously framing the Rothschilds/Holy Roman Empire as the force of good that will push against the Rosicrucian enlightenment.

The Rosicrucian enlightenment was attempting to usher in a new age of wisdom and science. The hegemony of the Holy Roman Empire was threatened by this new and empowering philosophy.

Secret societies were MANDATORY back then. If caught by the church, one could be tortured by the most cruel and inhumane methods and or sentenced to death for even participating in one of these secret societies.

Basically, the progressive and good people were in hiding back then.

The Vatican has always set out to demonize these groups and their various legacies by developing and propagating the iluminati conspiracy.

Don't believe for a second that all of those high degree freemasons that are in the Shriners that help all of the mangled, deformed, burned and sick children are evil and somehow doing the work of the devil.

My grandfather was a 33 degree mason of the Scottish Rite. He was not and never was a satanist who was hell bent on destroying the world and creating a New World Order.

It is fucking rubbish through and through.

Follow the conspiracy theories long enough and you will be wearing a goddamn swastika when you are done.

 

[ColoradoGuy]

The Illuminati is a ruse, it doesn't exist. Iluminati means "enlightened" and was a way to counter the Rosicrucian movement by labling the enlightened people as the "problem" while simultaneously framing the Rothschilds/Holy Roman Empire as the force of good that will push against the Rosicrucian enlightenment.

The Rosicrucian enlightenment was attempting to usher in a new age of wisdom and science. The hegemony of the Holy Roman Empire was threatened by this new and empowering philosophy.

Secret societies were MANDATORY back then. If caught by the church, one could be tortured by the most cruel and inhumane methods and or sentenced to death for even participating in one of these secret societies.

Basically, the progressive and good people were in hiding back then.

The Vatican has always set out to demonize these groups and their various legacies by developing and propagating the iluminati conspiracy.

Don't believe for a second that all of those high degree freemasons that are in the Shriners that help all of the mangled, deformed, burned and sick children are evil and somehow doing the work of the devil.

My grandfather was a 33 degree mason of the Scottish Rite. He was not and never was a satanist who was hell bent on destroying the world and creating a New World Order.

It is fucking rubbish through and through.

Follow the conspiracy theories long enough and you will be wearing a goddamn swastika when you are done.

'Nuff said. Brilliant response...

 

[chemical921]

the vatican is part of it.......

 

[chemical921]

and it might not be the illuminati ... but there is sum powerful ppl over the government puling ppl around like puppets

 

[mitchymo]

and it might not be the illuminati ... but there is sum powerful ppl over the government puling ppl around like puppets

Conspiracy theories abound with a lack of transparency.

The question is why the lack of transparency? Is there a real conspiracy or are governments just wanting to communicate freely without repurcussion?

Either way it reeks of corruption imo. why would anyone need to speak freely without repurcussion about anything unless discussing something controversial.

Why, furthermore, would you be discussing anything in secret with other government representatives, bankers, media moguls, energy bosses, royalty and business leaders? This Bilderberg thing is the pinnacle of conspiracy theory with things like the Trilateral Commission and the Council of Foreign Relations a part of.

There are some incredibly impressive documentaries out there to question our perceptions and beliefs. I have watched a lot of them and am sceptical now. I don't trust my government in its current set-up and i already had a disliking of the banking system. These programmes could almost explain things.

Does anyone know what the Bilderberg group discuss?

 

[sbat]

Think about it from a non-peon/subject perspective. If I was a billionaire with my hands in a ton of industries, and had some interest in ensuring a greater global economic context that supported the growth of my businesses, I would want to know what the other billionaires and government leaders were doing. What easier way than for all of us to meet up and talk about how to work things out so that we all can be happy?

Why the fuck would I share what we talk about with the idiots who watch Survivor and a whole host of other mindless reality shows, and vote based on the soundbites they hear on Fox/CNN/MSNBC? What the hell would they do with that information? Did your parents discuss with you all the details of the family finances when you were a kid? Does the IT guy at work give you a full detailed report on the problems he trouble shoots, or do you get a watered down version (or anything at all beyond "now its fixed")? Why would you expect the people who are running this world we live in to disclose the full details of what they are doing to a public that is prone to panic, largely incapable of objective analysis, and hopelessly emotional?

 

[mitchymo]

Why would you expect the people who are running this world we live in to disclose the full details of what they are doing to a public that is prone to panic, largely incapable of objective analysis, and hopelessly emotional?

For the same reasons that every other government get-togethers and talks are accessible to the media. Public interest and trust.
Why have royalty at these meetings? Why media moguls but not reporters?
Why government representatives that are not in ruling government? (shadow ministers etc)
Such a meeting is elitist. Elitism is bad for the masses, Its tyranny wrapped in cunning rather than muscle.

 

[sbat]

For the same reasons that every other government get-togethers and talks are accessible to the media. Public interest and trust.

Even the Obama administration has closed door meetings on policy issues. And what about the "classified" documents that Obama and his government generates? Public doesn't have access to that.

Why have royalty at these meetings?

They are all sitting on fabulous amounts of money and can act as market makers when they want.

Why media moguls but not reporters?

Like who? Katie Couric? You know what kind of dumbass questions the average reporter asks? What value would they add? Remember, I asked you to see from the perspective of someone on the "inside."

Why government representatives that are not in ruling government? (shadow ministers etc)

Cameron was part of the shadow government in the UK two months ago. Parties in power can change rapidly, so there is a desire to ensure continuity when the why-wasn't-it-fixed-yesterday ficklness of public opinion rears its head.

Such a meeting is elitist. Elitism is bad for the masses.
Why? You wouldn't make the same critique for groups of high level medical professionals in closed door meetings concerning best practices, why complain about it for finance? A bit inconsistent, no?

Its tyranny wrapped in cunning rather than muscle.

FWIW, most of the folks at that meeting keep us in line by force as a last resort. They do run the police and military forces of the world. In any case, nature is about domination, strength, and fitness. Look at how everything outside of humanity acts. We are not above nature, as much as you wish you were. Those who lack the strength or resources are subjects, those who have the strength are leaders. Nature.

Elitism is good for the masses. Most people can't seperate the important from the trivial in their own lives, yet you want people who control information that holds our entire economy together to divulge the minutiae of what they do to keep everything running? I asked you before, what would you do with that information? As part of your "I am a free man with rights" jerk off material? If you haven't figured it out now, that rights business is something to appease the masses, to get them to buy into the system which runs our daily lives. The founding fathers of the US didn't want the average man to vote, for god's sake, much less women or slaves. Their derision of the intelligence of the masses is evident in the creation of the electoral college and multiple tiers of representation in Congress as a filter for what they deemed the stupidity and fickleness of the mob. And yet people hold them as the beacon of a "free society"

When the average person exercises good judgement, courage, and analytical ability, that's when you'll see the masses actually take control of democracies that theoretically are theirs, and that's when you'll see the fall of tyranny. Tyranny exists because people are willing to be cowed. Cowed by force, cowed by their smallness in the grand scheme, cowed by the seemingly superior intellect of leaders, cowed by their fear of suffering and death.

 

[mitchymo]

Elitism is good for the masses.

Not half as good as it is for the elite.

Was'nt Hitler elitist?

 

[Bbucko]

Not half as good as it is for the elite.

Was'nt Hitler elitist?

Not for nothing, but Hitler was one of the most powerfully eloquent Populist propagandists the 20th Century ever produced. He consistently portrayed himself as an underdog who overcame the elites (whom he characterized as Jews, intellectuals, etc) in his ascent to power. His forcing the capitulation of Von Hindenberg and seizing the Chancellery of Germany was an act of the volk overcoming an aged, corrupt old-guard aristocracy, at least as he chose to spin the propaganda.

I'll agree that his politics of racial and cultural superiority puts him at odds with anything approaching modesty, but Populism is never, ever about genuine modesty: it's usually a front for something much more sinister. The Master Race sure sounds elitist, but the actual message was more Populist than elitist.

And, just so everyone's clear about this: touting Hitler as "powerfully eloquent" is in no way shape or form any validation of his ideology, which was obviously genocidal (even at the time). However, the fact remains that his ability to deliver a speech that stirred deep emotional responses and unquestioning loyalty is a well-accepted, tragic truism of history.

 

[mitchymo]

The Master Race sure sounds elitist, but the actual message was more Populist than elitist.

Surely though, this must have been just a complete deception of the masses to further his own ideals which must be elitist. All that eugenics stuff he was into and world domination are surely markers of someone with an elitist attitude?

 

[Sergeant_Torpedo]

The Dude of Destiny: of course you resent my assertion because it is true. For every banker's son West Point graduate there are 10.000 young men and women from farming and factory worker families, from the projects. Fascism is a danger. To agree and support bullying adminsitrations isn't the same as being a Nazi, but if you would rather pass by on the other side of the road than do something good for the world and humanity instead of promoting your own greed and prejudicesthen the prognosis isn't good.

 

[Jason]

Surely though, this must have been just a complete deception of the masses to further his own ideals which must be elitist. All that eugenics stuff he was into and world domination are surely markers of someone with an elitist attitude?

They are markers of someone who was unhinged.

But it was still populist. His power base was working-class Germans who felt (understandably) that Germany had got screwed at the end of the 1WW and were receptive to the message that Germany was best and that some international conspiracy was out to get "real" Germans. His elite was the mob of his country who were told they were the master-race.

 

[B_Jordan85]

the illuminati, the skulls of yale, the CIA. there is so much that the sheep aren't told. I mean if you were one of them would you tell the truth to the idiot masses? No use losing sleep over it. And as for the "risk of fascism" existing in this country, where have you been for the last 50 years? All you need to do is look at the last 4 to realize we are nazis. Damn, we have been bullying ever since we saw what the Nazi's did, inspiring.