The sabotage of obamacare begins.

[phonehome]

I do not see how he can do this

Paying those subsidies are REQUIRED by the ACA which is a duly passed ands signed into law LAW.

This is not a matter where the President or HHS secretary can "exercise discretion"

He was also not around to be able to when he signed the law also sign a |signing statement" that said maybe someday he would not pay these subsidies.

It would be like if President Obama had decided to quit paying any or all of the various "farm subsidies" which are also "required by law" to any |farmer| that had an AGI of lets say more than 10 million which actually most of them do.

Steve King and Chuck Grassley's 's heads would have ben exploding if he had ever talked about such a thing.

 

[Industrialsize]

I do not see how he can do this

Paying those subsidies are REQUIRED by the ACA which is a duly passed ands signed into law LAW.

This is not a matter where the President or HHS secretary can "exercise discretion"

He was also not around to be able to when he signed the law also sign a |signing statement" that said maybe someday he would not pay these subsidies.
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It would be like if President Obama had decided to quit paying any or all of the various "farm subsidies" which are also "required by law" to any |farmer| that had an AGI of lets say more than 10 million which actually most of them do.

Steve King and Chuck Grassley's 's heads would have ben exploding if he had ever talked about such a thing.

I'm afraid it's far more complicated. It has to do with subsidies and "cost share reductions."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/...lights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront

 

[b.c.]

In case you missed it, this week saw the debut of Trumpcare.​

There was no new legislation, and the previous health-care system, Obamacare, wasn’t repealed. It was re-accommodated, United Airlines-style: bloodied, knocked silly and heaved aside.

What has replaced it — a system of confusion and retreat — is entirely the doing of one Donald J. Trump.

President Trump this week threatened not to pay $7 billion to insurers in annual subsidies for giving discounted coverage to low-income Americans. If he follows through, it ends Obamacare as we know it. But even if he’s bluffing, the threat itself is outright sabotage and goes a long way toward dismantling the Affordable Care Act.

Trump is now destroying a healthy health-care system​

Which is why I posted this back on March 26:

CELEBRATE A FEW HOURS. Then come back and read this.

Fact is, Trump and company will NEVER rest until they've completely destroyed Obamacare.

 

[phonehome]

I/D

What is NOT "complicated is that those "subsidies" and cost share reductions" ARE REQUIRED BY LAW, that law being the ACA.

 

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Which is why I posted this back on March 26:

CELEBRATE A FEW HOURS. Then come back and read this.

Fact is, Trump and company will NEVER rest until they've completely destroyed Obamacare.

Yes true however should Trump follow through on his threat it will be well documented who broke it. And he won't be able to spin the line it was collapsing on its own. It did not break itself. And that will make moderate Republicans very nervous.

 

[Industrialsize]

People forget the bad old days when you could be denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. Here is a list of conditions that would have precluded you from buying health insurance prior to the ACA:

 

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House Republicans are apparently ready for yet another attempt to snatch health insurance away from constituents who need it.

The GOP’s latest health-care plan is comically bad
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Of course it had to be bad since the plan is to slowly destroy it while ducking the blame.

 

[b.c.]

People forget the bad old days when you could be denied health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. Here is a list of conditions that would have precluded you from buying health insurance prior to the ACA: View attachment 704986

In other words just about everything a person might NEED health insurance FOR.

"SURE we'll cover you. If you're WELL."

 

[phonehome]

In Paul Ryan's fantasy world of "access" there MIGHT be a plan that covers all or just some of those things of course it will cost 2 or 10 times your AGI so there is no way you can actually buy it

But that is OK you have "access"

Paul Ryan may have "access" to Lambeau field but that does not mean he is ever going to play for the Green Bay Packers.

 

[Industrialsize]

 

[deleted15807]

Cross your fingers SpiderFriends Republicans are still hard at work trying to snatch health care from millions then use the money saved to give to the 1%!

White House officials and several Republican lawmakers claimed Tuesday they were nearing a deal on health-care legislation with the House Freedom Caucus, with at least three leading figures in the hard-line group ready to support an overhaul after the dramatic collapse of talks last month.

Reps. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), and Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho) — all leaders of the Freedom Caucus and central figures in the latest discussions — signaled Tuesday they are ready to support a new plan, according to two White House officials who were not authorized to speak publicly. A lawmaker close to the Freedom Caucus later confirmed that those members were close to or ready to support the tweaked bill.​

House Freedom Caucus leaders back new health-care plan​

 

[Industrialsize]

High risk pools are the real death panels. This is what the Rs are proposing for people with Pre existing conditions. They don't work except to keep people from getting health care. Notice that they have exempted themselves from having to go into a high risk pool if they have a Pre existing condition.

 

[Klingsor]

View attachment 705820

No wonder I'm so unhappy: I signed up for health coverage through Steve Bannon.

 

[Industrialsize]

The latest version of Trumpcare 2.0

 

[b.c.]

Latest Republican Trumpcare proposal has an exemption. It exempts THEM from Trumpcare. WTF! http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/...you-but-not-for-Republican-lawmakers-or-staff
Zombie Trumpcare for you, but not for Republican lawmakers or staff

 

[phonehome]

Ironic isn't it ??

Becasue they/he thought it would/could be a "poison pill" that would/could kill the ACA way back when the "Grassley amendment" required "members of Congress" but also included "members of their staffs" a part which they have doggedley resisted changing even though that includes all those low level receptionists, secretaries and other assistants who are all after all Federal Government employees and if they worked at the Pentagon, the CIA, FBI or anywhere else in DC would get insurance via FERS

Next thing you know it will be the Republicans who finally undo the Grassley amendment so they can all get back into FERS

 

[deleted15807]

Latest Republican Trumpcare proposal has an exemption. It exempts THEM from Trumpcare. WTF!
Zombie Trumpcare for you, but not for Republican lawmakers or staff

Great analogy here:

Imagine a man who for some reason is determined to stuff a balloon into a box — a box that, aside from being the wrong shape, just isn’t big enough. He starts working at one corner, pushing the balloon into position. But then he realizes that the air he’s squeezed out at one end has caused the balloon to expand elsewhere. So he tries at the opposite corner, but this undoes his original work.

If he’s stupid or obsessive enough, he can spend a long time at this exercise, trying it from various different angles, and maybe even briefly convince himself that he’s making progress. But he’s kidding himself: No matter what he does, the balloon isn’t going to fit in that box.

Now you understand what’s happening to G.O.P. efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

The Balloon, the Box and Health Care

Again and again, we read news reports to the effect that Republicans are closing in on a plan that will break the political deadlock. They’ll repeal the Obamacare taxes and block-grant Medicaid! No, they’ll make insurance cheaper by eliminating the coverage requirements!

The important thing to remember is that these problems don’t keep popping up because the people devising the plans are careless, and keep forgetting crucial issues. They’re popping up because the G.O.P. is trying to stuff a big balloon into a small box, and every time you squeeze it somewhere it inflates someplace else.​

 

[deleted15807]

Can we start a ticker on how many failures since Trump became president House Republicans failed to repeal ACA?

Opposition of Key Republican Deals Blow to Health Bill
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ACA got a big boost from Jimmy Kimmel last night to the chagrin of Republicans.

 

[b.c.]

Yes, but even as we speak, there are a number of Republican representatives sneaking about trying to hide how they're going to vote this time around.

They either don't want reporters to know, or they don't want pressure from the staunchly committed yes vote b------------rds determined to gut Medicaid, AFFORDABLE coverage for pre-existing conditions, and the rest.

And they sure as HELL don't want those angry constituents at those hostile town hall meetings to know. All of which means there is no certainty as to HOW it'll go this time around.

Then again, given the TRACK record of the GOP, I figure they're MORE likely to fuck "Joe Public" once AGAIN:

Moderate Republicans are literally hiding from their Trumpcare votes.

 

[deleted15807]

You reap what you sow Iowa. They voted Trump in and "won". Red states haven't figured out they actually lose every time.

Iowa Obamacare program on verge of collapse as congressional uncertainty takes its toll​